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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on January 13, 2007, 05:24:33 PM
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£4,000 forfeited by today's defeat (and the potential for another £5,000 if we could have beaten Welling on Tuesday).
Very poor.
Will we ever win away again?
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Agree, apparently we were comfy and lost it near the end.
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Thing is, I know how sh*t Tamworth are having seen them twice. We should be getting turned over by such sh*te.
We have though, so lets just concentrate on staying up whilst they play countless more cup games and replays and then have to play 4 games in a week at the end of the season.
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The 4k is irritating but if we stay up again this season then that will be worth more financially than any Trophy run I spose to put a positive slant on it. Didn't go so can't comment on the performance but this away run is getting embarrasing now frankly.
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Tamworth are the worst team I have seen at Moss Lane to date this season.
If we had applied ourselves properly in the original game at home, we would have been into the next round and £4,000 better off!
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Agrre, the original game on a decent pitch we should have won.
Today's would have been difficult, but it sounds as if we lapsed at the end, similar to last week.
We do need to start winning away occassionaly
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I'm seething. Can't imagine how i'd feel if i'd gone to the game.
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Gutted?
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Why can't we win away? Don't get it ???
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It's no good saying it doesn't matter going out of the Trophy if we stay up. There's no guarantee we will stay up! You set out at the beginning to do the best in every competition you enter. If you resign yourself to defeat that easily then why bother.
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We weren't resigned to defeat - we started with 4 strikers!!
We need to cut out these late concessions - I am sure the team will learn and GH will no doubt be making his feelings VERY clear to them on that score. Point at Woking and win at Vics and we'll all be laughing again.
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Agreed, UC.
Since when have Conference and Trophy form respectively been mutually exclusive?
We might not have won the Trophy....but two victories over Tamworth and Welling at Moss Lane would have netted us £9,000.
Perhaps then we might have even used some money to sign a proper left full back!
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My comment on resigning oneself to defeat was directed at fans not players, although I think this is the least inspiring Altrincham team i've seen since I started watching again in 1994.
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When will we EVER win a cup tie again? A potential £9000 (plus?) in prize money lost, along with gate receipts. Had we progressed, we would have been one of only 8 Conf.Nat. teams left in the competition. >:( >:( >:(
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I see there are alot of people on here who live as near to Tamworth as me who are able to comment straight after the game ?
At the end of the season we'll see what is more important trophy games or playing league games and getting results. I'm sure Tamworth would have swapped todays win with the league defeat ?
It was a VERY poor match and it was a shame for the competition that someone had to go through (as said POOR MATCH). I'm sure Welling will be feeling a 'bye' has been had.
Of course all those that commented so soon will appreciate it was an awful pitch and the wind was swirling as they would have seen it first hand ?
i can really honestly say I feel no anger or upset after the game, I'm totally unarsed. Which is unlike me. Just feels like a pointless friendly game has just been played.
PS; The day was made by the 'scrappy do' impression by the Tamworth fan at the end, wonderful.
PPS: nice to see VofD makes his 13th post today, been waiting have you ????
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I'm sure the team that won at Birmingham in 1985 will all say that's alright then.
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I can't see the team of 1985 really be that arsed to be honest ...
If they'd say anything it'd probably be "Oh the same people moaning as soon as they have a chance" Just don't know how people have the nerve to heckle a performance or result after not even seeing the game. Baffles me.
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I don't need to have attended today's game to point out that we have STILL failed to win a single away match to date this season!
As previously stated, we got two home draws in the Trophy....and both were games we would have fancied winning.
Instead, we have thrown away the chance to earn £9,000 in four days, which I'm sure would have cheered the Alty Board up no end!
I'm sure that today's playing conditions were hardly ideal.....but there was nothing wrong with conditions at Moss Lane on 16th December 2006.
Perhaps the manager will blame those Alty fans who couldn't attend today's game again?!
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There seems to be an attitude that's pervaded the club that mediocrity is some sort of achievement. For two years people have been saying that staying in the Conference is all that matters. Doesn't anyone want to actually win anything anymore?
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I will not comment on the 16th December as I did not attend, All I know is it was 0-0 and I was *told* it was a poor game so I was not under the impression that Altrincham should have won it.
Instead, we have thrown away the chance to earn £9,000 in four days, which I'm sure would have cheered the Alty Board up no end!
So the players obviously lost on purpose then and not by 2 goals in 5 minutes.
YES we do want to win things but sometimes being REALISTIC is required. Of course Weymouth wanted to win things look at them , so did Grays ....
If you honestly believe we should be winning the FA Trophy then .. well no comment. Any game against a team in our own league should be thought of as "difficult", especially away.... YES we would have had a better chance at Moss Lane but we certainly should not think we have a god given right to win.
Come on everyone keep crawling out the woodwork, we've had a bad result .. You've all been waiting ...
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The game on 16th December 2006 was there to be won because Tamworth were so poor but Alty just didn't seem motivated that afternoon.
Of course the players didn't lose on purpose (where did I suggest that?!) but the fact remains that two eminently winnable games and an associated money pot of £9,000 have been squandered.
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We have been beaten by an (and only guessing) 87th and 93rd minute goals.
Not a lot you can do against that. its unfortunate its happened but not worth going over the top about.
If we'd been beaten comfortably then yes I'd be worried but the fact is two goals in just over 5 mins is a lucky win for whoever has done it.
"winnable games " yes winnable not certainities but WINNABLE !
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Why wouldn't you want to win the FA Trophy? As has been stated the club could have banked £9000 in four days. Who's to say Altrincham couldn't win it. I don't know how much would be earned by winning but clearly would be a significant amount. Cup form doesn't necessarily equal league form (look at Tamworth this season and last). Winning the trophy is an important part of this club's history.
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Of course I'd love to win the Trophy and if we'd gone out to Hyde or Farsley then yes I would be upset but we have gone out to a team in our league, its hardly the end of the world.
It baffles me that people sounded like they expected Altrincham to win. We have no right to win any game home or away and as I will say fo rthe last time we were beaten by two VERY late goals.
Thats me finished now. Going to have some tea and hope that Vics and Eastbourne play on Tuesday and one of those goes through and that the Cheshire FA don't switch Vics game to next Tuesday
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Gary,
Enjoy your tea :-X
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We have been beaten by an (and only guessing) 87th and 93rd minute goals.
Not a lot you can do against that. its unfortunate its happened but not worth going over the top about.
Well, perhaps we could have defended better?!
If we'd been beaten comfortably then yes I'd be worried but the fact is two goals in just over 5 mins is a lucky win for whoever has done it.
Why are two goals in five minutes deemed as "lucky"?
Was there no skill involved on Tamworth's part.....or did we just defend badly?
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I don't really see how the goals being late is some kind of excuse. The fact is that Altrincham lost again, and I don't see how anyone can be happy with that.
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Cult. Go and have your tea as well.
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We've lost the match, its very disappointing......
We are in a league we have no right to be in...
We are more than holding our own in that league....
We are almost out of debt.....
We have a stable & enthusiastic squad who want to play for Alty.....
We have a first rate board......
We have a first rate coach......
We have a good ground and very professional set up....
Thats 2 negatives and how many positives????
Lets just get on and support our team!
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Alas, just like an Alty away win, there's no sign of my tea here!
What a depressing afternoon.
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Could have been worse - I spent it repairing shed roof and whacked my finger instead the nail and now have whopping blood blister, and we're out of trophy :( :(
Still next week is Woking and that's not too far from Bath so my first game for a while beckons :)
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agreed gaz, poor game with very little from either team, gled we dint get through if i'm honest, league safety is more important this year, next year i see more of a need for a cup run but this year is survival survival survival.
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We've lost the match, its very disappointing......
We are in a league we have no right to be in...
We are more than holding our own in that league....
We are almost out of debt.....
We have a stable & enthusiastic squad who want to play for Alty.....
We have a first rate board......
We have a first rate coach......
We have a good ground and very professional set up....
Thats 2 negatives and how many positives????
Lets just get on and support our team!
Wanting to be the best you can be isn't not supporting your team.
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agreed gaz, poor game with very little from either team, gled we dint get through if i'm honest, league safety is more important this year, next year i see more of a need for a cup run but this year is survival survival survival.
How on earth can you be glad we didn't get through? Don't you want to win anything ever again? Too many Alty fans are getting immune to defeat which is very disturbing.
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no but look at it this way; were due a slide in form, that is if we take last year into account, and a team stuck in the relagation mire with us will be playing at least one more game than us, and theres no risk of a fixture pile up now the trophy is out of the way, believe me i am not immune to losing and have left several places this year majorly pissed off with the results, but today was a trophy game and like i said this year the trophy is not nor should it be our main aim.
mabee you disagree but we all have the choice here to place open and self opinionated views, and this is mine.
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I don't think that the throway remark by Cult about the manageris really called for. His remarks about the poor attendance at the original game have been taken a little out of context and open to misinterpretation. I don't think for one minute that Graham intended to ridicule those who did attend. I do believe that Graham was bemoaning the fact that the atmosphere was not as great as the club's heyday when the FA Trophy was seen as an important competition. No-one can deny that the Trophy has become relatively unimportant to Conference national Clubs (less than 50% ramain this year and that has been the norm over recent seasons). Edited from the original interview was Graham's statement that maybe he should not be so passionate about the competition if 40% of the regular support could not be bothered to attend. However it was evident that he is very much passionate and he will be distraught at the defeat. A bit of a reality check though. Tamworth have become something of cup specialists. Hopefully they will not be League specialists
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Tamworth have become something of cup specialists. Hopefully they will not be League specialists
nothing specialist about their performance today thats for certain. but never mind 6 pound saved on tuesday thats a whole 3 pints 6 if i go to the SU!
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no but look at it this way; were due a slide in form, that is if we take last year into account, and a team stuck in the relagation mire with us will be playing at least one more game than us, and theres no risk of a fixture pile up now the trophy is out of the way, believe me i am not immune to losing and have left several places this year majorly pissed off with the results, but today was a trophy game and like i said this year the trophy is not nor should it be our main aim.
mabee you disagree but we all have the choice here to place open and self opinionated views, and this is mine.
So would finishing 17th in the Conference and going out of the Trophy in the first round constitute a good season to you? How about finishing 17th in the Conference and winning the Trophy? Sound better. If you can guarantee Altrincham will now stay up due to losing today i'll let you put a tenner on for me at Ladbrokes. It is never ok to lose. Develop that mentality and you will never win anything.
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Didn't UC say he'd prefer to be in the Conference North? What ambitious about a statement like that?
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no finishing 17th would not be ok for me, but it would be better than winning the trophy and being relagated, surely you realise that playing another possible 8 games would cripple our squad, already fighting week in week out against full time opposition and i might add doing well, but that would change with the extra physical exertion required for a strong cup run. I would have loved nothing more than a bender in the capital topped off with an alty trophy victory to bring back the glory days of the 70's and 80's, but is just not viable this year.
Next year with more funds to spend on the squad due to our debts being clear and TV money coming from setanta yes a trophy run would be nice and greatly enjoyed. but i'd rather see us secure these 1000+ crowds and TV money before I worry about how our team are doing in non essential competitions, be it FA Trophy, Cup, Senior Cup.
Any road woking next week i think we owe them a stuffing they robbed us @ our place earlier this season.mabe that could be the elusive first away win???
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Thing is, I know how sh*t Tamworth are having seen them twice. We should be getting turned over by such sh*te.
Alty away and Tamworth at home are two very evenly matched sides. Today both were very poor.
Given our away form we really can't expect to beat Tamworth at the Lamb, although it is/was certainly a possibility.
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I don't suppose that 17th in the Conference is the limit of any Alty fan's ambitions. But it would be our highest league finish in over ten years. Is there no achievement in that?
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So would finishing 17th in the Conference and going out of the Trophy in the first round constitute a good season to you?
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I'm seething. Can't imagine how i'd feel if i'd gone to the game.
This is how I felt immediately after the game;
Mildly deflated.
Breathless.
Sleepy.
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nothing, actual nothing!the only thing which left me seething was the wanker who thought jumping on denis birch after their second goal, whom promptly when approached sh*t himself,
on a more comical note was the motormouth motorhead fella whom got increasingly more up for a ruck as people got between him and us! lol me thinks someone could have held him back with one finger and he would have still feigned the hard man act!
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I've not been back long and have only just calmed down. How we managed to lose that I'll never know.
My first trip to Tamworth and it'll be my last. sh*t ground (I honestly can't believe it's allowed in the league - it's not even good enough to be deemed tinpot), sh*t fans (I was verbally abused by some middle-aged bloke who shouted in my face "F*ck off back to Manchester, you f*cking wankers"), sh*t game (I really hope we never have to play them again - has there *ever* been a decent game between us?).
Poor, poor performance by us, but we shouldn't have lost as Tamworth were just as woeful. We should have been able to hold on until the end without cocking it up.
We couldn't.
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I've not been back long and have only just calmed down. How we managed to lose that I'll never know.
My first trip to Tamworth and it'll be my last. sh*t ground (I honestly can't believe it's allowed in the league - it's not even good enough to be deemed tinpot)
I don't mind their ground actually, the away end is a bit odd and the views aren't great, but it does the job.
Much prefer it to somewhere with far superior facilities such as Rushden.
sh*t fans (I was verbally abused by some middle-aged bloke who shouted in my face "F*ck off back to Manchester, you f*cking wankers")
I think some Tamworth fans today showed themselves up quite a bit.
To take the piss out of a person for most of the second half who is obviously 'not quite all there' demonstrates a distinct lack of tact and class. It was almost cringeworthy.
The scenes following the winner were pathetic, I hope the young lad responsible realises running and pushing an elderly man in the back is the behaviour of a moronic oik.
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I've just about calmed down now.
Firstly the lad (looked about 25) who jumped on Dennis 'sback was left in doubt of how we felt of his actions, as I found him and let him know.
To be fair to him he apologised and it was a stupid act. Seemed he was surrounded by likeminded people though.
Whole situation should never have happened. Why was the game not segregated? Easy to do there, straight out of the exit and to your cars or coaches. Simple. I don't think Tamworth fans like Alty and I certainly don't like Tamworth since Coopers comments on our 18 point deduction.
What woudldhave happened if it had gone to penalties? GUaranteed trouble.
When I saw Tamworth in the league I said they were one of the worst teams I have ever seen at Moss Lane. And I stand by it. We were poor today, they were were worse. We have somehow lost.
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when i passed you on shaftesbury avenue you looked pissed ecky! at last i think it was you only gota quick look before i turned.
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no finishing 17th would not be ok for me, but it would be better than winning the trophy and being relagated, surely you realise that playing another possible 8 games would cripple our squad, already fighting week in week out against full time opposition and i might add doing well, but that would change with the extra physical exertion required for a strong cup run. I would have loved nothing more than a bender in the capital topped off with an alty trophy victory to bring back the glory days of the 70's and 80's, but is just not viable this year.
Next year with more funds to spend on the squad due to our debts being clear and TV money coming from setanta yes a trophy run would be nice and greatly enjoyed. but i'd rather see us secure these 1000+ crowds and TV money before I worry about how our team are doing in non essential competitions, be it FA Trophy, Cup, Senior Cup.
Any road woking next week i think we owe them a stuffing they robbed us @ our place earlier this season.mabe that could be the elusive first away win???
Agreed! Was it 1991 when a pile up of fixtures cost us the title & automatic promotion?
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We've lost the match, its very disappointing......
We are in a league we have no right to be in...
We are more than holding our own in that league....
We are almost out of debt.....
We have a stable & enthusiastic squad who want to play for Alty.....
We have a first rate board......
We have a first rate coach......
We have a good ground and very professional set up....
Thats 2 negatives and how many positives????
Lets just get on and support our team!
Wanting to be the best you can be isn't not supporting your team.
You are absolutely right, I just meant "Lets put this behind us and count our blessings"
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According to BBC todays attendance was 502 i say there was more than that there. :o
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According to BBC todays attendance was 502 i say there was more than that there. :o
You're right - 520 on the main site match report!!!!
You don't suppose Tamworth might not have owneed up to all the match receipts???????
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I would have put it around the 700 mark.
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I would have put it around the 700 mark.
try a 1000 + look on fa website under trophy thats what they are quoting !!
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My first trip to Tamworth and it'll be my last. sh*t ground (I honestly can't believe it's allowed in the league - it's not even good enough to be deemed tinpot), sh*t fans (I was verbally abused by some middle-aged bloke who shouted in my face "F*ck off back to Manchester, you f*cking wankers"), sh*t game (I really hope we never have to play them again - has there *ever* been a decent game between us?).
CB:
Alas, we do have to play them once again!
Make sure that you are 'washing your hair' on the afternoon of Saturday, 21st April 2007.....
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To be honest ,I thought you where better side today,but you seemed to switch off for last 10 minutes ,didn't see the incident regarding fan ,but unfortunately we have our fair share of morons,can't understand why there was no segregation today ,but I enjoyed standing behind the goal in the 2nd half for the first time in 3 years,anyway best of luck lads for the rest of the season ,as for us ! under Cooper we will be relegated.
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Tammie, which goal did you stand behind?
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To be honest ,I thought you where better side today,but you seemed to switch off for last 10 minutes ,didn't see the incident regarding fan ,but unfortunately we have our fair share of morons,can't understand why there was no segregation today ,but I enjoyed standing behind the goal in the 2nd half for the first time in 3 years,anyway best of luck lads for the rest of the season ,as for us ! under Cooper we will be relegated.
Fair play.
Can't really argue with any of that.
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Didn't UC say he'd prefer to be in the Conference North? What ambitious about a statement like that?
Yes I did say that. But I also said I wouldn't welcome seeing us relegated. I said I sometimes wish we'd not been promoted as it was too soon. I'd rather watch a competitive team playing each week in the Conference North than a desparate scratch side playing in the Conference. A winning Conference North team would possibly be better equiped to mount a cup run than a losing Conference one (although Tamworth do their best to confound that theory). I'm old enough to remember seeing Altrincham win the FA Trophy at Wembley when it seemed to matter. I'm dispappointed so many people on here seem to accept today's defeat with such resignation.
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My first time at Tamworth (and first time in seeing Alty away for years, and indeed seeing Alty since the late 80s when I was at school).
Second half at the other end involved being interspersed with bitterness from Tamworth fans about "surviving the Conference" and "we don't want your Mickey Mouse cup..." etc.
There was a distinct lack of supervision from Tamworth stewards during Alty's second half. Not sure why Tamworth had yellow-coated stewards. I felt there was a small Tamworth crowd whose repartee consisted of Coronation Street references, and in some instances very bad geographical references too ("you're only just a small town in Stockport etc...).
If only they knew the truth...
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The small town in Stockport thing is typical football baiting. It's like calling geordies scottish and Hereford and Shrewsbury welsh. I can't think why Tamworth fans would be so dismissive of the Trophy when they reached the final in 2003.
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I stood in the end where Tamworth scored .the steward at TFC are crazy ,stopped me from standing at front in case I invaced the pitch ,I am 54 ,overweight ,and after watching the 1st half was in more danger of falling asleep ,at last weeks match against Norwich we had stewards from Walsall ,they where great.
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Tammie a very fair reflection from someone who went to the game. makes a difference when you can comment from first hand reports.
Maybe now people will not think its the end of the world and that Altrincham actually did ok, in what I may add was a very poor match.
Ps; Small town near Stockport is actually quite original, although being told that Altrincham is full of slums and we are all inbred was very amusing. Pot , kettle and all that
Unemployed Coalminer you seem to hold the Trophy in high regard ? And IF we were in the Conference North (winning more games than we are now, which is no guarantee as we would not be able to attract the same players) should we have been beating a side above us , as Tamworth would have been ?
Just shows how well we have progressed that we have a chance against Conference National clubs.
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the small town in stockport thing just amused me! mainly because stockport is geographically virtually as near as manchester, and the corrie theme tune thing was odd, it not like we all think they live in a poorley run hotel that got took off the airs only to be returned again years later to just fail again.
anyroads (or is it crossroads?), onwards and upwards, enjoyed the banter UC!
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So would finishing 17th in the Conference and going out of the Trophy in the first round constitute a good season to you? How about finishing 17th in the Conference and winning the Trophy? Sound better. If you can guarantee Altrincham will now stay up due to losing today i'll let you put a tenner on for me at Ladbrokes. It is never ok to lose. Develop that mentality and you will never win anything.
Obviously the latter scenario is preferable to the former, however what most people now accept is that the league is king; far, far more important than the Trophy. The importance of the league is such that should we go down yet win the Trophy for many it will have been a poor season.
If both competitions existed in a bubble then there would be no reason to see some positives to losing in the Trophy, unfortunately they don't. As the chances of winning the Trophy increase the chances of staying up, in all likelihood, diminish. I'm not glad we lost, however I can see the benefits of doing so.
As for the attitude of Alty fans to defeat I actually feel that as a set of fans we take a very reasonable approach most of the time and consider issues such as relative squad budgets in any assessment of the result.
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Gaz, look back at Altrinchams FA Cup record. You don't have to be in the same league as a team to have a chance of beating them, but you do need a winning mentality.
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As I say all the time its about being realistic and as fans I think *well thought* we have become.
I'd expect to beat certains teams at home but that does not mean its doom and gloom if we don't. Would rather be losing to Conference National clubs than beating \ drawing or losing to Alfreton, Hyde, Stalybridge, Barrow .. need I go on.
I think losing to two late goals is significant to the result and shows that we could have easily have won 1-0 and no one would have said anything.
UC, just seen your reply : Did we go 1-0 up and hold that lead until the 87th min ?? If so then that surely shows a desire to score and therefore win. Sometimes sh*t happens and you have to put it into context. A league defeat is much worse than a Trophy defeat. Still unbeaten in the league in 2007 :D
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Gary,
You still haven't explained why a team who score two goals in five minutes are "lucky".
Furthermore, as we are being "realistic", where do you honestly see an Alty away win happening in the near future?
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on the 23rd of january to be exact around about half nine quater to ten Altrincham will have not only won away but will have thrashed v*cs again
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on the 23rd of january to be exact around about half nine quater to ten Altrincham will have not only won away but will have thrashed v*cs again
exactly, not saying this because its vics, saying this because they are poor, if we are as fired up as boxing day then its a no brainer
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To be honest i'm surprised we won at all, considering we had to draft in some youth players and Cooper to make up the numbers...
But good luck for the rest of the season.
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You still haven't explained why a team who score two goals in five minutes are "lucky".
Because they obviously were not good enough to be leading for the other 87 mins ? Two scrappy goals won it, winning with the last kick of the game, maybe thats why ??? Surely to be losing from the first half would have been worse than the last 5 mins, although yes still a defeat it was just freak that it happened. Any team that loses to a 94th minute goal can surely count themselves as unlucky ? I'm not sure how you can comment without going to the game, you have no idea what the game was like so surely can not judge if they were lucky or not ?
"realistic", where do you honestly see an Alty away win happening in the near future
Why not the next away game ? (oh no I'm being positive again)
Seems that some people love to be negative and some try and be\stay positive.
Should the game be £4,000 lost, whens the next away win or now we can concentrate staying in the conference and we were unlucky to lose in the last 5 mins.
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Gaz, look back at Altrinchams FA Cup record. You don't have to be in the same league as a team to have a chance of beating them, but you do need a winning mentality.
I'm afraid what we have done in the FA Cup and the Trophy in the 70s and 80s has no relevance to what we should be expecting now. The number of non-league giant killings in the cup appears to have dropped off (and if someone can correct me on that then fair enough) and the FA Trophy's prestige in status in recent years has collapsed. Look at some of the attendances and sides knocked out yesterday.
I didn't go yesterday so I cannot comment on the performance but when I heard we'd lost I was gutted. Does anyone think losing like that wouldn't hurt? The £4000 would have been great, as would the £5000 if we'd beaten Welling. However, I cannot help but think that a Trophy run would have been a double edged sword. There is little doubt in my mind that we will tire between now and May, and another 4 or 5 Trophy games would not have helped in any way. Use Tamworth as a yardstick, I reckon their cup runs have affected their league form this season and last. And if people think this is accepting defeat, its actually trying to stay positive and look on the bright side, rather than dwell on negativity.
As for rather challenging in Conference North as opposed to struggling in the Conference. Give me the latter any day, there's no guarantee that we'll challenge in Conference North. What was our average position in the UniBond?
I'll take Conference status and higher profile games every week, rather than a 678 average and a run in a declining competition. If that alienates people because it goes against our "traditions" then so be it. The game has changed and so has our club.
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I think this is a great statement Bob and sums it up. (have a Goodwin :) )
And if people think this is accepting defeat, its actually trying to stay positive and look on the bright side, rather than dwell on negativity.
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aye have a goodwin from me too eliquently put exactly what i was trying to say
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not quite sure how we have lost £4,000. Never knew we had it to begin with. Welling would not have been a certain win as well. More we have missed a chance to gain some money. Thats gain some bonus money that would not have been expected.
Have people really got the mentality that Altrincham FC have the god given right to win games, thought we had got away from that way of thinking and that is why we are moving forward.
We are doing very well in the Conference National and have only been knocked out of a Trophy that is about as highly regarded as the Cheshire Senior Cup.
I would be concerned if it was league game against a team fighting for points with us but it was only an FA trophy game.
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Having watched them for over thirty years, I am well aware that Altrincham FC do not have the God given right to win every game!
The fact remains that we were initially drawn at home to Tamworth and that was certainly a match that we were capable of winning (no disrespect to Tamworth, obviously....)..
Cue: £4,000 in the kitty.
We would then have faced Conference South side Welling United at home.
Of course, there is no guarantee whatsoever that we would have defeated them.....but it certainly was a possibility (or am I being too positive there?!).
So, a potential extra £5,000 up for grabs there.
We may then have bowed out of the Trophy in the next round, thereby hardly causing a huge fixture backlog.
Other than selling a key player, name another opportunity that this football club gets to earn a potential £9,000 in only four days!
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I was gutted more in the way we lost than actually losing.Yes,I was disappointed as I really like the Trophy and IF the final is at Wembley,we could had been one of the first teams to play there.
But I would quite happily take going out of the Trophy now if it means winning at Northwich.Remember they now have to play an extra game before the 23rd (if on),thus meaning less rest time.Staying in this league gives us more money than Trophy run can (if I remember,Grays and Woking only made something like 20k due to other expenses).
In summary,league is always priority,Trophy is a bonus,and next year we can geniunely mount a cup run.
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capable of winning or Winnable.
I keep hearing these words mentioned. Yes it was winnable, Yes we could have won it BUT we didn't. Hardly the end of the world. Not a definate win but winnable.
I also believe we are underestimating a Welling side that are 3rd in their division.
£9,000 was on offer for BOTH clubs though and surely tamworth thought that playing Alty would be winnable for them ? So someone had to come away unhappy.
Fact is we were beaten in the last 5 minutes, not in the first 5 minutes but the last 5 minutes. Its unfortunate but its happened and can we not get on with concentrating on getting enough points to stay in this league.
We are unbeaten in the league for 4 games but no one seems to mention that.... maybe because that is something good to talk about.
We may then have bowed out of the Trophy in the next round, thereby hardly causing a huge fixture backlog.
Would that not have then caused an arguement depending on who we would have got knocked out by though ?
The further we got the more expectation people would have had and the more moaning if we had been knocked out to someone lower than us ? By the reactions we are getting now I'm glad we went out at Tamowrth because if Welling had beaten us some would have been booing and questioning everything at the club !
ps; almost the most replied to post ever on the forum
pps: nice to see my Karma getting hammered, oh my life is over. Shame on me for having an opinion.
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Yesterday was disappointing, but these things happen. We were the better side yesterday but it was 2 poor sides on the day in all honesty, though the heavy pitch and swirling wind didn't help. It wasn't a good match to watch at all.
It is gutting to throw away a lead in the 87th minute and end up losing the game, and I'm sure Tamworth weren't expecting to hit us like that but they kept going which is fair play to them.
We do clearly have a problem away from home, but I do believe we will win away from home in the league this season, don't know where, but I think we will.
At the end of the day I am more concerned with Conference survvival, so as nice as a trophy run would have been, I would much prefer to win at the Lamb 21st of April.
I'm sure GH is doing everything he can to solve our away problems but at the end of the day no matter what anyone says we are punching above our weight in this league so every point is hard earned. It seems to me like some people simply expect too much.
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Gary,
You are not the only one whose Karma rating is taking a hammering!
Nice to see that the thread provoked such a strong reaction.
It shows that people care about this club, if nothing else.
You are a 'glass half full' man and I'm a 'glass half empty' observer.
So, how about the following wager?
It may not raise £9,000 for the club but at least it will add £10.00 to the finances!
I remain deeply troubled by our woeful away form, whereas you (somehow!) remain positive.
So, how about:
If Alty lose at Vics - you donate £10.00 to the club;
if Alty win at Vics - I donate £10.00 to the club?
(If it's a draw, we can both contribute a fiver!).
Believe me, if I end up paying out £10.00 I will be the happiest man on the planet!
Are you game?!
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I'm up for that. I'll take that wager sir.
You are a 'glass half full' man
Looking at it like that is the only way I keep going ;)
I would be delighted with a draw v Vics, but only because its away. A derby game like this is the sort of stupid game Altrincham would win.
Of course heres to the first away win v Woking - Keep the Faith.
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Gary,
Right, you are on.
I'd better pawn some of the wife's jewellery to raise £10.00 just in case.....
Woking on Saturday must represent a chance of a sneaky away win.
There seems to be a lot of disillusionment with the manager there and St Albans recently won at Woking with only ten men.
It surely has to come....
I honestly can't believe that we could survive relegation without recording at least one away victory.
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Right time to stick my neck out, and proably be totally proved wrong BUT I reckon once we get the away win (at Woking or at worst vics) we will go on a little run. Break the duck and things will be ok.
Look at the away games we have left. IF we can get a win at Woking then there is no reason why we can not continue that on to vics, southport and maybe Crawley. Knowing Altrincham though we will probably beat Burton, Morecambe and Stevenage away instead ;D ;D.
Woking
Vics
Southport
Crawley
Burton
Weymouth
Morecambe
Stevenage
St Albans
Daggers
Tamworth
The home form, as usual will be what saves us from relegation.
Could do with being save before we play Tamworth again though. That could be a MASSIVE game.
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I'm liking the end of the away season for the London based fan. ;) Some nice days out there.
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This thread is rather Port Chatesque.
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I know exactly what you mean Jimmy.
It's sad to see some contributors viewing this debate in the light of a 'stimulating discussion' when in reality it seems to me like there are some potentially devisive comments coming to the surface.
I often surf the Conference website and I'm often amused by your comments on various threads on there but there seem to be a couple of other 'regulars' on there who have brought their 'chatroom pontificating' on here and I can't say that I like it much.
Having said that, everyone is entitled to their opinion and long may that continue.
I would like to remind everyone on here that we are all dyed-in-the-wool Alty fans (otherwise what are we doing on here?) so let's keep on getting behind the team and giving our 100% support.
We all know our shortcomings and the difficulties the club has faced and almost surmounted in recent years and we all have amitions in relation to that. How many of us have dreamed of seeing league football here (80's and 90's especially)? It's not going to happen in the foreseeable future - but it could happen one day if we keep building steadily.
I loved my three days out at Wembley - who wouldn't? - but I wouldn't want to go again at the expense of relegation.
We're struggling a little less than last year - and next year we may not struggle at all if we can afford to bring in a couple of fresh faces.
When we're solidly a mid-table team, that's the time to enjoy cup adventures and the money they bring in will take us even higher - as it has done for the likes of Burton.
Let's just focus on building ourselves up a bit more and consolidating in this league. It's not a lack of ambition, it's just sheer commonsense - the kind of commonsense Geoff and GH and others have shown to get us this far. Yes no cup runs is very disappointing but it's not the end of the world - playing in the Conf North with just over half the gates we enjoy now would be in my opinion (although I'd still be coming along with most on here).
Finally, one last point the 'Goodwin' and 'Peake' points are, at one level, a bit of a laugh but is it just me or have these become a bit spiteful in some cases recently? Let's not degenerate into that sort of thing.
I love Altrincham FC with a passion and have been following them since my mid teens wne I used to come on the bus and train from North Manchester every week. I'm now an old git of nearly 57 and I still get the same buzz when we score - I'm sure you all do - so let's keep our comments constructive, stay behind the team and the management (and eachother) and not turn into a whinging load of b*****ds like those on Port Chat etc.,
Come on you Robins!
PS: Sorry for the rant!
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Superb post and has now made it the most replied to topic on the 'new look' forum.
and I have added another, wonderful ;)
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I don't think anyone's saying they are not 100% behind Alty are they? ???
I don't like it that as soon as anyone puts forward a different view they are accused of not being behind the team. What I've read on here seems to be disappointment that we're not in the next round of the trophy. People are continually being accused of not thinking positive, so when they state that they think we should make an effort in the trophy (which is a positive thought), they get slammed for that too! ??? Bizarre.
I'm sitting on the fence on this one, but I think both POVs on the trophy debate can be considered equally valid. The draw's come out for the next round and if we'd beaten Tamworth & Welling we'd have got another home draw against Worcester (I know it's all 'ifs'), but we could have had a pretty decent chance of getting further on and a few extra quid, but I also appreciate what people are saying about fixture congestion etc. Fortunately what we do, what competition we're in etc. is out of our hands and in those (or the feet of) the players. We'll do what we always do (and will continue to do so) is to get behind the team. That's all we can do :)
:)
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I still don't know where people get this idea that going out of cups somehow guarantees survival in the league. Players don't play well by resting, they play well by playing. When you only train two evenings a week a match is going to be a better workout than a training session. Maybe I should apologise for wanting to see Altrincham win the Trophy and reach the 3rd round of the FA Cup each season. Avoiding relegation, although laudable, is not actually winning anything.
By the way, as long as Altrincham are part-time and the Conference is mainly full-time, the Cups are going to be Altrincham's only chance of success, so some of the regulars on here might want to reappraise their ambitions or be destined to a lifetime of losing.
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My point was that we can't live off If's and But's. We are out of the trophy and I was trying to take some positives out of it rather than dwelling.
I think the debate all came to a satisfactory ending though. . .. Then again .... ;D
By the way, as long as Altrincham are part-time and the Conference is mainly full-time, the Cups are going to be Altrincham's only chance of success,
So how does that work ? We would be playing against sides who would train more than us so SHOULD be able to cope with extra fixtures. Saying that our fitness levels have been amazing this season.
I don't see why you would support a football team if you were not ambitious , I want altrincham to win everything but I just know its not goign to happen. What would the point be of travelling up and down the country if you were happy with winning nothing. For me personally its just about being realistic, at the moment our current financial restraints dictates what I am expecting.
As I said as of next season and DEBT FREE (thats doing it THE HARD WAY, which everyone at the club should be patted on the back for) then I would hope for more or SOME success in cup competitions. As it is now I am happy that we A) Have a football Club to support, B) Have a Conference National Football Club to Support, C) That we are being run correctly and within our means.
Anything else is a total bonus to me ,and that includes cup runs.
Everyone has different expectations, if we didn't the world, and this board would be a very boring place indeed.
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That's fair enough Gary but ambition doesn't have to be an either/or thing. How about winning at Tamworth AND Northwich. How about clearing the debt AND making the 3rd round of the FA Cup (which in itself would clear a large part of the debt).
The cups are not a bonus. They are a vital and integral part of the season's campaign.
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The cups are a bonus to me as they are not budgeted for. Anything from a cup run is a bonus in my eyes.
Yes I want Altrincham to win every game home and away but I am not going to get upset if they don't. Of course I want Altrincham to be in the footballl league, beating Northwich, Macclesfield and Manchester United on the way to an FA Cup final. I want these things but it does not mean expect it.
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I still don't know where people get this idea that going out of cups somehow guarantees survival in the league.
I can't actually find where anyone has actually said that. What has been said is that the more games you play the more tired you become. Therefore there is a likelihood that the further you progress in the Trophy the more your league form will suffer, due to having a tired squad.
Players don't play well by resting, they play well by playing. When you only train two evenings a week a match is going to be a better workout than a training session.
That's not really supported by our experience at the end of last season. We were obviously knackered and only won five points from the last available thirty nine.
In my mind there is no doubt that 'burn out' was a prominent factor in the poor run of results.
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Do you know that cup runs are not budgeted for?
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I know they used to be and I'm pretty sure they are not now.
i would hope we are not budgeting for something that MIGHT happen (like Weymouth). This is how we have got into trouble in the past so I doubt that we would put ourselves in that position again.
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I still don't know where people get this idea that going out of cups somehow guarantees survival in the league. Players don't play well by resting, they play well by playing. When you only train two evenings a week a match is going to be a better workout than a training session. Maybe I should apologise for wanting to see Altrincham win the Trophy and reach the 3rd round of the FA Cup each season. Avoiding relegation, although laudable, is not actually winning anything.
By the way, as long as Altrincham are part-time and the Conference is mainly full-time, the Cups are going to be Altrincham's only chance of success, so some of the regulars on here might want to reappraise their ambitions or be destined to a lifetime of losing.
Do you honestly think people are happy that we're out of the trophy? Do you honestly think we don't want a money spinning cup run? Of course we do, but what's happened has happened and we have to move on. Cups are wonderful things to win and do well in, but the league is the bread and butter of any club.
Put it another way, for a club struggling in the Conference we are enjoying our highest average crowds for a decade, and a much higher public profile than for many years. Would you swap with some clubs which have done well in the cups and the trophy recently but are plodding along at a lower level?
If you reach even the second round of the cup you are pretty much forgotten about as soon as you're out, and the FA Trophy is without question a competition in decline (ask yourself why it is declining in the first place). That doesn't mean I don't care about those cups, or that I don't want us to win things. But all clubs need to prioritise, and the league is our priority this season.
And I would be very surprised if the board has budgeted for cup runs. Incidentally, we have made a profit in the last few seasons but the last season we had a good cup run (01/02) we might even have made a loss.
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The board catagorically does NOT budget for cup runs.
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Bob, Altrincham football club achieved a higher profile through it's cup runs than it ever did for winning the Alliance Premier League twice. Again let me re-emphasise - a cup run and league survival are not mutually exclusive.
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But the league is definitely more important
The 100th reply to this post is sponsored by Ginsters.
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Yes I can see that finishing 17th after losing most of your games is infinitely more thrilling than an FA Cup run which ends up playing a top club in the 3rd round. I guess it's all about what you go to football for.
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I'm certainly gutted as we had an excellant chance of progressing to the semi finals perticularly looking at the following home draws we were dealt,welling followed by worcester,what a supurb oppurtunity, dont want to dwell but we wont get a chance like that again especially as there were other conferance clubs dropping out of the FA.Trophy like flies, anyway onwards and upwards ::)
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Yes I can see that finishing 17th after losing most of your games is infinitely more thrilling than an FA Cup run which ends up playing a top club in the 3rd round. I guess it's all about what you go to football for.
I thoroughly agree your point about the cup runs being better PR than winning the league back then, but that was a different era in the game (Forest for the Champions League anyone?) and we have to base our expectations on where we are now, not where we were in 1980. If we were one of the wealthiest clubs in non league football with one of the strongest squads then having the same attitude would be fair enough.
I know that having a bad year in the cups is no guarantee that we'll stay up, and in an ideal world my expectations are higher. But this club is not in an ideal world and so I place my expectations accordingly.
Of course the third round of the cup is better than Conference survival, but what is more likely in our circumstances? Just being realistic!
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So the only ambition we should have is not get relegated each season. Marvellous.
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Yes I can see that finishing 17th after losing most of your games is infinitely more thrilling than an FA Cup run which ends up playing a top club in the 3rd round. I guess it's all about what you go to football for.
no need for that,
most people who follow this club are aware of our previous mis-spendings and realise we are lucky to be playing at this level, so come on look at this from the welfare of the club, finishing 17th IS infinitly more exciting than a third round game, it means we have confrence football at the club for another year meaning top quality derbys for us to go to on boxing day
trips to 15,000 seater stadiums,
talk of facilitating 1000 away fans,
all that excites me more than going brighton to lose 8-0, or chelsea to lose 6-1 why would it not,
seeing lewis chalmers coming on to become a top quality player, and having steve bush in the center or and lets be honest colin little upfront (even someone so alty would have to leave if we went down)
all in all if we end this year in 17th i'll be happy because were still here not in the conf north. There are teams like, it would seem, like farsley who can get in better players at a lower level due to money, so we are doing extremely well.
oh and UC i go to football because i support a club i love and would love at any level be it northwest counties or confrence and above one day (god willing). not for a oneoff game against the big boys
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Which would be why last season I went to 33 out of 45 league, cup, trophy and CSC games.
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not lacking ambition but a realistic aim.
I would say staying up this season is showing ambition, we are one of only a handful of part time teams and to stay up would be an achievement in my book.
I would imagine every fan would want us to win everything but circumstances dictate events and being part time in a mainly full time league and staying up would be a greater achievement than beating Scarboro, Alfreton and co in the Conference North.
What would be a bigger achievement, Getting in the play offs in the Conference North or staying in the Conference National ? We are one of the smallest clubs in the league and surely staying up is a great achievement for the club.
A few seasons of stabilising in the league and then maybe we can push for better things when we have a little extra income to use (next season).
Altrincham FC are AHEAD of schedule on and off the pitch and lets be honest very few of us (including me) expected Conference National football so soon. Surely to maintain Conference National football is what its all about this season ?
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So the only ambition we should have is not get relegated each season. Marvellous.
No, but it is our priority. Where have people said that we don't want the club to win things? I think you are confusing ambition with expectation.
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And some people are allowing their expectations to stifle their ambition.
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My ambition is that Altrincham FC will one day be a League side.
My expectations this season are for Altrincham FC to stay up. This does not mean I do not want them to progress but that I expect a hard and difficult season in a league that is full of clubs who are full time unlike ourselves.
If we had money then I would expect more but current circumstances means staying in the league is what I want us to achieve.
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That's more like it. All you missed out was winning the Trophy and reaching the 3rd round of the FA Cup next season.
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UC i think you have been misreading realism for passion and ambition, which is why this thread has swelled to such a size
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And some people are allowing their expectations to stifle their ambition.
Ambition is what you ultimately want. Expectation is what you think you should realistically achieve.
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Yes I can see that finishing 17th after losing most of your games is infinitely more thrilling than an FA Cup run which ends up playing a top club in the 3rd round. I guess it's all about what you go to football for.
I didn't say "more thrilling" I said "more important".
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UC i think you have been misreading realism for passion and ambition, which is why this thread has swelled to such a size
I kicked off my rant because passionless and ambitionless way people seemed to be reacting to going out of the Trophy. It's not unrealistic to think that Altrincham could have had a chance of winning the Trophy this year when as a lower league club we reached round five. What league were Burscough and Hednesford in when they won it?
Cue replies along the lines that not winning things is more important than winning things.
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UC i think you have been misreading realism for passion and ambition, which is why this thread has swelled to such a size
I kicked off my rant because passionless and ambitionless way people seemed to be reacting to going out of the Trophy. It's not unrealistic to think that Altrincham could have had a chance of winning the Trophy this year when as a lower league club we reached round five. What league were Burscough and Hednesford in when they won it?
Cue replies along the lines that not winning things is more important than winning things.
Yeah and where are Burscough and Hednesford now? Three figure crowds and you'll have to squint to see their results in some newspapers. I am gutted that we are out of the Trophy, but I'm looking long term and trying to be positive out of the situation. Nothing wrong with that is there?
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Cue replies along the lines that not winning things is more important than winning things.
Or to put it in a less misleading way:
Cue replies along the lines that staying in the Conference is more important than winning the FA Trophy.
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Its all about reassessing whats going on.
We can dwell on the trophy exit and let it effect us or we can dismiss it and just get on with the next job of staying in the Conference National.
Personally I'd rather forget about, not dwell on it and get back to our good league form.
Might as well take some positives out of it, ie less games to play than be worrying about it and being negative. That is my humble opinion, as I'm sure you all know by now ;D
Beating Tamworth would not have guaranteed us beating Welling anyway so we weren't going to definitley win the trophy. Yes it would have been an extra couple of grand but at least now we know it wouldn't have effected our league position.
and YES staying in the Conference National is more important than winning the FA Trophy. You ask Burscough or Hednesford if they'd swap their FA Trophy win to be a conference national club, I'd bet they wouldn't have to think twice for their reply.
To use a Geoff Goodwin phrase "The past does not equal the future"
i think the older fans were very lucky to see altrincham as a successful non league club and still believe we should be there as the younger fans have never really seen the success so don't expect it.
Anyone who watched altrincham in the 70's & 80's (you lucky so and so's ... really jealous) seem to expect more than those that have been watching more recently.
You have seen the glory days and know what its all about, you probably still see Altrincham as that club. but I'm afraid we are not that club anymore. We are no longer the main club in the top flight of non league football and its took us a long time and hard work to get back to the standard of conference national. One day we will challenge again but its all about one step at a time and being realistic.
One trophy defeat to a team in the same league as us is not the end of the season, far from it. The hard work is still to be done on and off the pitch so maybe next season we can challenge a little better
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Unemployed Coalminer
A couple of points
1) 2 matches a week are not beneficial for a part time side in a full time league. Full time players with knocks get round the clock massage and treatment, they don't work and they travel down in comfort, a day off here a golf day there. Our lads with knocks have to go to work, even if they have a calf strain and if that involves sitting at a desk 9-5 or carrying carpets or something up flights of stairs then they still have to do it. We need 1 game a week, not every 2 weeks as we lose sharpness but no more than twice a week really. Do you think Eddie Hussin would have taken nigh on 2 years to recover had he been a full time footballer?
2) I think, I think I know what you are getting at (you haven't expressed it well) in that last season when we were getting beat 0-5 we jsyt said oh well what do you expect? I argued then that we could put up more fight and now we do. i don't think anyone is chuffed at getting beat by Tamworth but just rightly saying that its more improtant we stay up and at least if there is a good side to it we can concentrate on that now. You go on about £4,000, for Gods sake man we take that much extra almost in gate receipts for each Conf Nat game compared to Conf North.
3) A cup run every so often is essential, we haven't woken up the towns people, our achievements over the past few years have been massive but not realised. Now we are in a good league with attractive fixtures, is the time to try and capitalise on that. Those cup tie supporters are far more likely to come to the next game if it's against York City rather than Hucknall. However, it's bloody difficult. We've had some poor draws really, last home tie against lower league oppo? I wasn't at the game Stadee but all I can say is that Tamworth were a far tougher nut to crack at ML than they were when we beat thm in the league.
4) You would rather see us competitive in conf North. Fine, but why, surely the point of winning games there qwould be to get promoted here otherwise it's a hollow victory no?
5) Do you really think anyone at the club is trying to stand still? Seriously, fr Gods sake, we've strengthened the squad over the summer, we're a slightly better side, almost mid table as opposed to truly in teh bottom reaches. We just need to clear our debts. That £4k would have gone to them, once we're clear that would pay for a good left back for the rest of the season. It's just not particularly possible. Why do you think we're extending our community work? Why are we looking at redeveloping the ground? Why have we extended the playing budget from last year.
6) AND FINALLY, if I can be brutally honest, I think you're a bit weird. You say you've been to 33+ games last year whilst on confguide saying you just don't go anymore. I don't really know which, thats up to you but we'll say you've watched however amny games it is throughout the years. Well, if you have an argument to point out, I suggest you dn't fill it with utter sh*te like you did before with the weirdest staement I've ever heard.
'This is the least inspiring Alty team Ive seen since I started watching again in 1994'
Now I'll say that the lads dopn't have me in flashbacks of Sholwer and McKenna and the gang but I think you're just seeking attention here! Less inspiring than the relegation side of 1997 with ian Horrigan in midfield? The next years mob with Gus Waring on the right of midfield ratehr than Robbie Lawton? Less than the last relegation team we had? Less even than some of the nonentities that we had in our lowest Unibond years, like when we lost our first 4 games about 0-4? Dave Swanick? David Wills? Chris Barton? Nick Stephens? Chris Young?
I'm giving you a goodwin for that one ???
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Excellent last message! Spot on!
Lets not dwell on a missed oportunity in the Trophy, lets be grateful that, Graham, the board & everyone at the club have managed to get the club into a far better position on & off the field than we have any right to be in.
There's always next year for the glorious cup runs!
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There's always next year for the glorious cup runs!
Didn't we say that last season?!
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There's always next year for the glorious cup runs!
Didn't we say that last season?!
And we'll carry on saying it until it happens & beyond!!!
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Never mind a "glorious" cup run.......I'd be euphoric if we just managed a win over Trafford or Radcliffe Borough in either the FA Cup or Trophy!
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Wow, you guys should be awarded a phd in missing the basic point. Conference survival is not mutually exclusive from success in cup competitions!
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Funny how everyone else seems to be missing the point but one person (you) is not ?
I think the whole point is don't dwell on things when there are more important things to worry about (conference survival)
lets stay positive rather than finding negatives. We could dwell but what use is that to anyone ? Surely better to be positive than negative, maybe thats just me being mad.
yes we would want to win the FA Trophy, FA Cup and League but we are not so lets just get on with the job in hand now which is staying in the Conference National for another season.
I have never used the word 'dwell' so much before :)
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someone once said comment breeds debate, thats proved in this thread. and lets be fair its a good thing we are viewing this in such passionate light. but i think it has run its course and were going roundand about on the same points. i'd say that this thread is excellent but its over and we should now let it die.
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Who made you god ... or is that another debate .. he he ;) :-*
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I only came on in the first place because i've forgotten my FCUM password ;)
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Who made you god ... or is that another debate .. he he ;) :-*
well actually i'm self appointed, like george bush, and debate as we all know with him is as incoherant as mine!
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I only came on in the first place because i've forgotten my FCUM password ;)
I'm sure we could think of some!!!!!!!
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GH appears to have upset some of the Tamworth supporters....!
http://www.tamworthfans.co.uk/Forum2/default.aspx?g=posts&t=2326
At least he also seems annoyed that we lost in the Trophy!
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Maybe people have been getting the wrong end of the stick on both sides?
I am certainly not happy that we are out of the Trophy at this stage. I want Alty to do well as they realistically can in all competitions. However, I believe Conference survival is more beneficial to this club than winning the FA Trophy and, as we are now out of the Trophy, I am trying to look on the bright side. Simple as that.
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i think the older fans were very lucky to see altrincham as a successful non league club and still believe we should be there as the younger fans have never really seen the success so don't expect it......... Anyone who watched altrincham in the 70's & 80's (you lucky so and so's ... really jealous) seem to expect more than those that have been watching more recently......... You have seen the glory days and know what its all about, you probably still see Altrincham as that club. but I'm afraid we are not that club anymore.
Just a few points in relation to the above:
Whilst it seems to be true in some cases (notably UC) it's not true with me - I don't expect 'success' in the sense of winning something every year. I had that knocked out of me when, after the successful years in the Cheshire League whe entered the NPL and apart from a couple of occasions never looked like winning the league - although we had a lot of cup 'success'. What stuck in my mind was deferats like 0-6 at Holly Park vs South Liverpool.
Going away in those days was very much like currently I imaginge (I can go to many away games now as I'm on a pension and can't afford it). What I mean by that is we went for the team and to have some fun - winning (and it didn't happen too often as I remember in those early NPL years) was ASPIRED to but not expected. My best memories include going for a pint after a night match at Mtlock and seeing 'Bopper' Taylor in the pub round the corner from the ground. Buying eachother a pint and chatting about the match (can't remember the score but think we won) or coming back on the coach from Ashington having pinched a load of programme blanks in the ground, ripping them up into small pieces and shoving them through the coach roof window whilst coming back through Sunderland 'snowing' the locals (think we won that one as well). Great days with a fantastic club we all supported through thick or thin.
If someone whould have told me then the position we would be in today with our unrivalled non-league heritage (mu opinion) I would have snatch their hands off. We ARE a successful team and just by competing in this league we are having a different sort of "glory" days - we're fighting the big boys nearly every week and holding our own.
The time for dreaming will come again in a couple of years when the clubs foundations are a bit firmer and there's more money about.
I'm fully aware of the fact that Conference survival and cup success aren't mutually exclusive but they are almost so for us with a smallish part-time squad which will tire by the end of the season anyway.
I've been going to come in more on this debate on a number of occasions but restrained myself - and others have said what I would have said anyway - but suffice it to say You've not missed anything Gary - the match at the Brittania Stadium not so long back was, for me, just as exciting and just as much an achievement (if not more so because of the lack of finance) as anything I've seen at White Hart Lane (x2), St Andrews, Goodison, Anfield, Wembley etc (Apart from when we won 6-1 at Macc but that's another story!!!).
Despite the opinion of some people, we're still living the glory days1!
Long live the Supers!
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Supers?
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I never said I expected success in the cups. What I was trying to say was that the club should be trying to win the Trophy, get to the 3rd round of the FA Cup AND stay in the Conference. What I was pissed off about was fans rolling over and accepting going out as if it didn't really matter. If you look at the club website you'll find Graham has said it all for me. That's my final word you'll be pleased to know cos i'm sick of having to repeat myself to get my point made.
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Supers?
Sorry about that - it just slipped off the tongue!
Quite a few of us (then) young uns used to talk of Alty as the "Super Robins". My nickname at work for years used to be 'Super' as I wasted no opportunity to brainwash people about the team!
It fell out of fashion many many years ago and that was just a slip of the keyboard after a long rant! ;)
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I never said I expected success in the cups. What I was trying to say was that the club should be trying to win the Trophy, get to the 3rd round of the FA Cup AND stay in the Conference. What I was pissed off about was fans rolling over and accepting going out as if it didn't really matter. If you look at the club website you'll find Graham has said it all for me. That's my final word you'll be pleased to know cos i'm sick of having to repeat myself to get my point made.
I know what you're getting at UC and agree :)
And whoever's given me a peake for (barely) expressing an opinion... thanks ::)
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here's a Goodwin to compensate! ;)
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I never said I expected success in the cups. What I was trying to say was that the club should be trying to win the Trophy, get to the 3rd round of the FA Cup AND stay in the Conference. What I was pissed off about was fans rolling over and accepting going out as if it didn't really matter. If you look at the club website you'll find Graham has said it all for me. That's my final word you'll be pleased to know cos i'm sick of having to repeat myself to get my point made.
I know what you're getting at UC and agree :)
And whoever's given me a peake for (barely) expressing an opinion... thanks ::)
The two instances may not have been connected (at least you have a positive karma difference!).
Anyway, to sum up:
Unless we win the Trophy next season we close the club down.
I think we can all agree on that.
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My Karma:-91 Which is around 60 worse off than what it was before this thread started.
And you're worrying about a single Peake .... ;)
Maybe I just like to stay positive on the outside. Try to lift the players and the club by talking about the positives and not worrying too much about what has happened.
Losing in the Trophy to me is not the end of the world
Winning a one off (well you know what I mean) game in the FA Trophy was cetainly not on the top of the list of things to achieve this season.
Season is still going VERY well and leys hope we are cheering come what May.
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I'm not worried about the peake, just that it was given even when I didn't really say anything! :D
Anyway, back to the topic... ;)
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well said gaz!
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Thanks, Saughall for the reply about "Super", I've not got back on in time to reply directly :-\
CB, worry, when you're karma's as odd as mine ???
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i seem to have kept an even peake count this week despite my widely disagreed views, but i can assure all it was not me whom has been peaking
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I never said I expected success in the cups. What I was trying to say was that the club should be trying to win the Trophy, get to the 3rd round of the FA Cup AND stay in the Conference. What I was pissed off about was fans rolling over and accepting going out as if it didn't really matter. If you look at the club website you'll find Graham has said it all for me. That's my final word you'll be pleased to know cos i'm sick of having to repeat myself to get my point made.
I wouldn't say I was rolling over as if it didn't matter - it hurt, as any Alty defeat does. I would possibly suggest that the FA Trophy is not as important to some fans as the Conference and so perhaps that's why the defeat didn't hurt those fans as much as it hurt you - but it did hurt.
For the record I might also point out that the FA Cup exit hurt me a lot harder than the FA Trophy did!
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seems the older fans who saw alty in the halcyon days and the younger ones who didnt have different opinions on the trophy.
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I'm an older fan - and I don't give a toss for the Trophy compared with being in the Conf National, staying in the black and progressing steadily!
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Just our bloody luck.....
It seems that Welling United will be missing a few key players tonight due to injuries and a transfer request from their top goalscorer.
Stuffy Tamworth....
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My Karma:-91 Which is around 60 worse off than what it was before this thread started.
And you're worrying about a single Peake .... ;)
Maybe I just like to stay positive on the outside. Try to lift the players and the club by talking about the positives and not worrying too much about what has happened.
Losing in the Trophy to me is not the end of the world
Winning a one off (well you know what I mean) game in the FA Trophy was cetainly not on the top of the list of things to achieve this season.
Season is still going VERY well and leys hope we are cheering come what May.
Spot on!!