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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: EX GK on November 28, 2011, 08:12:37 AM
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We, I speak as an Alty fan, will never be able to match the potential of FC Utd of Manchester. Having dealt with them outside a game of football, the workings behind the scenes are something we could never match. They have 100s of volunteers who manage and promote the club, which are numbers we could only dream of. They have individual commitees dealing with various issues from Planning and Building the new stadium, producing a match programme ,to sorting out hospitality for visiting teams.They have a Publicity Department that have access to so many sections of the media. I tried to tie up a "kit deal", but once I found myself up against some major brands, not just agents for these brands, I knew I had no chance.On Matchday there are so many FC Utd Officials under the Main Stand directing visitors to Various Suites and sorting out both teams requirements for the game, etc. Basicaslly, they are a "well oiled machine", and this in no way detracts from all Alty's volunteers, just simply trying to show what a phenonemun FC Utd is. I dont doubt that they will follow Wimbledon into the Football League eventually. We may have to watch them progress beyond us, hopefully we can follow them along the same path. Somehow, I doubt that. Their ambitions are probably a little higher that ours, playing alongside Manchester United is their goal. Just a thought!
p.s. this has no relation to yesterday's game, just a general view on FC Utd.
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Thanks for that Ian, just what we needed at 8:10 the morning after.
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Thanks for that Ian, just what we needed at 8:10 the morning after.
I was a disappointed as anyone, just trying to put a different slant on things.
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An excellently put post Ian
One only needs to read through the programme from yesterday's match to see the difference between us and them.
'Last years scheme raised a magnificent total of £1.3m which is safely held in an Escrow account. We are aiming to increase that total to £1.6m over the next 2 months..'
'The mainstay of the DF (Development Fund) has been standing orders from hundreds of FC supporters. Every year 300-500 individual supportershave regularly donated monthly amounts between £1.00 and £100.00 totalling between £50,000 to £60,000 annually. ... if every adult member started a £4 monthly contribution or increased their current contribution by £4 per month we would raise £100.000 in under a year.'
That puts it all into perspective ?
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here is the solution: we all stop going to away matches and donate what we would have spent on travel and ticket etc.
thats £50-£100 a month each.
it's win win - we don't have to travel to away matches and watch the current dross, we get a bigger budget to bring in better players.
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Fcum have already been stalled on countless occasions in there efforts to climb up the leagues disregarding other teams and they will continue to struggle, only takes one relegation and the fans will lose interest imo
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Fcum have already been stalled on countless occasions in there efforts to climb up the leagues disregarding other teams and they will continue to struggle, only takes one relegation and the fans will lose interest imo
Exactly - they'll hit a ceiling and just sit there for a while
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Whatever their resources or potential, they looked a decent team to me yesteday with a solid defence including a pair of full backs we'd kill for. Roca was no airs and graces, just bloody effective and Norton, a player not deemed good enough for us last year, exactly the kind of striker we are lacking. A good well run club who play football properly - good luck to them. Also, no disparaging remarks from their fans, who just sang for their team throughout. The truth hurts, but there you go.
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Whatever their resources or potential, they looked a decent team to me yesteday with a solid defence including a pair of full backs we'd kill for. Roca was no airs and graces, just bloody effective and Norton, a player not deemed good enough for us last year, exactly the kind of striker we are lacking. A good well run club who play football properly - good luck to them. Also, no disparaging remarks from their fans, who just sang for their team throughout. The truth hurts, but there you go.
100% agree......that was exactly what I saw.
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until they fail to meet the conference's rule on security of tenure coz bury get bought by a lottery winning fan and kick fcum out, their numerous committees start in fighting on location of new ground reflected by a poor season on the pitch and everyone gives up and goes back to OT....they've not had a bad season yet.......lets see how they respond to failure and how that impacts on crowds and volunteers............alty could get taken over by a euro millions lottery winner......
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A club on the up for the time being no doubt but I didn't think they were a good side at all. Roca looked decent but he did have the luxury of being given all the time and space he could ever ask for! In fact the reaction of the travelling support was precisely because we're sick of seeing Alty beaten by not very good sides
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Fcum have already been stalled on countless occasions in there efforts to climb up the leagues disregarding other teams and they will continue to struggle, only takes one relegation and the fans will lose interest imo
The thing is for FC there is no rush to climb the leagues in fact some are happy at this level and some were even happier in the NW counties
Yes success is nice but its the be all and end all more a case if it happens then it happens I dont know anyone who is any rush to get into the football leaue that can be left to the likes of teams like chester and halifax who are far to big for these tinpot leagues
At the moment what the players get paid with a lot of players even at lower leagues then us getting paid more most don't expect to move up any higher at the moment
What is more important is affordable football for all
As for disregarding other teams I'm not really sure what you mean by that
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I didn't go yesterday on principle. I refuse to acknowledge their existence as a club in the same way that I dont recognise MK Dons. Starting a new club when things aren't going your way goes against everything I understand being a supporter of a club to be about.
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I didn't go yesterday on principle. I refuse to acknowledge their existence as a club in the same way that I dont recognise MK Dons. Starting a new club when things aren't going your way goes against everything I understand being a supporter of a club to be about.
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I didn't go yesterday on principle. I refuse to acknowledge their existence as a club in the same way that I dont recognise MK Dons. Starting a new club when things aren't going your way goes against everything I understand being a supporter of a club to be about.
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I think you'd find that if we'd won 8-0, Hugo's view (which I agree with 100%) would be exactly the same. One result doesn't change a principle.
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As we all know, FCUM was set up by Man U fans who opposed the take over by the Glaziers. It would be interesting to see whether or not the FCUM fan base dropped if Man U was ever sold.
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I didn't go yesterday on principle. I refuse to acknowledge their existence as a club in the same way that I dont recognise MK Dons. Starting a new club when things aren't going your way goes against everything I understand being a supporter of a club to be about.
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I think you'd find that if we'd won 8-0, Hugo's view (which I agree with 100%) would be exactly the same. One result doesn't change a principle.
Thanks Phil you are right. If we had won 8-0 of course I would have been disappointed to have missed a good Alty victory but the principle would override that. That's the reason I posted on a thread about their club rather than a thread regarding the match itself.
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As we all know, FCUM was set up by Man U fans who opposed the take over by the Glaziers. It would be interesting to see whether or not the FCUM fan base dropped if Man U was ever sold.
It was about more than that, as I understand it. Rip-off prices, stewards demanding supporters sit down all game, the general slide towards being an enormous global corporation rather than a football team representing Mancunians.
Manchester United's primary purpose is to make money, rather than represent anything or anyone. To be honest, I quite admire those people who said "enough is enough". Better them than idiots who 'support' a team by sitting in front of the telly in their replica kit.
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So when fcum get into the BSP, are told to sit down by stewards at Luton, have to pay their players more to compete so come up with the marketting idea of having 3 kits a year, have to market themselves and become a brand name to progress find out they have to pay more than fans of Histon when they play cambridge, start to sign players from the south who don't represent manchester........wil they start up FC FC Utd?
While there is no end of local clubs with proud histories they could have changed allegiances to, they decided to create a toy that (as has been pointed out as their good points) is ruthlessly raking in cash to fund thier rise......they have become to all intents and purposes a mini Manchester Utd turning into the club doing all the things they said they left for....as soon as they started out they were having their traditional saturday kick off time of 3pm changed on police advice...and it wont be long before they are succumbing to the lure of TV money either.
They are a parady of themselves....
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I tell you what we need right now, a big war of words with jubilant FC Utd fans.
Just let them get on with it.
They are on a different planet to us on nearly every level other than tradition and history and they aren't doing a bad job of progessing through the leagues to build that either.
We've got our own issues to sort out.
Right from the first post this thread is as depressing as all the Sack Sinnot/sack the board/burn Densmore as a witch/ torch the main stand posts.
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Agreed, the oxygen of attention/publicity. I don't care. I don't necessarily agree with them but they're not my club so they can do as they wish. Some things they do well and we should look at, other things we should ignore.
As Ecky says we've got things we need to address, at the minute we're not really doing enough to attract those Sale/Brooklands fcum families full stop regardless of what they do.
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So when fcum get into the BSP, are told to sit down by stewards at Luton, have to pay their players more to compete so come up with the marketting idea of having 3 kits a year, have to market themselves and become a brand name to progress find out they have to pay more than fans of Histon when they play cambridge, start to sign players from the south who don't represent manchester........wil they start up FC FC Utd?
While there is no end of local clubs with proud histories they could have changed allegiances to, they decided to create a toy that (as has been pointed out as their good points) is ruthlessly raking in cash to fund thier rise......they have become to all intents and purposes a mini Manchester Utd turning into the club doing all the things they said they left for....as soon as they started out they were having their traditional saturday kick off time of 3pm changed on police advice...and it wont be long before they are succumbing to the lure of TV money either.
They are a parady of themselves....
That box has already been checked as well... And no FC United fan could explain to me how they still went to a Friday night match that was rescheduled just for TV when that was one of the major factors of them making a breakaway.
There is a list as long as my arm of what I don't like about that club but as people have said, now is not really the time for it all. The problems on our doorstep are what we should be seeking to address.
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Right from the first post this thread is as depressing as all the Sack Sinnot/sack the board/burn Densmore as a witch/ torch the main stand posts.
Sorry, but that just made me laugh out loud amongst all the doom and gloom. Have a goodwin, for what it's worth.
Tried to keep off here since before the FCUM game as I sadly expected (not hoped obviously) a defeat and the ensuing babble-bile (although there's actually been less of it than I expected).
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An interesting take on the response to the FC United game on this blog:
http://gregg-thissportinglife.blogspot.com/
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To be quite honest, until we play them again I couldn't give a monkeys either way about them. I'm far more concerned by the current situation at our own club. Whether you love them or hate them, they're here to stay so get used to it.
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An interesting take on the response to the FC United game on this blog:
http://gregg-thissportinglife.blogspot.com/
Nice of the writer to completely ignore the many positive comments made bout FCUM!
Shoulder meet chip.....
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One of the poorest attempts at trolling I've ever seen to be honest.Why on earth would 400 alty supporters bother going to bury for a qualifying round fixture in the trophy? We wouldn't take that many in a qualifying round game against one of our rivals, nevermind some unibond league club we've never played before that we knew we would probably lose to? I love how we don't know what we are talking about and dont understand. Arent we the ones that have been supporter owned for over a decade? Might swell locked this thread, we've got a proper match on Saturday to discuss
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An interesting take on the response to the FC United game on this blog:
http://gregg-thissportinglife.blogspot.com/
Why would the writer take such time to dissect comments on another teams forum? Does he search the web for inaccuracies and spend his life correcting them like some fact policeman?
Are we the first team ever to comment on them or something?
He sounds like the kid you send into the nasty blokes garden to get your ball back when you know he chases you with a brush...
"Go on..go on..I dare ya"
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"they only bought 150" talk about bigging your f**king part up, they got more of us than curzon did last year, they should be thankful considering we had to play at sn unnatural time of the weekend due to their lack of facilities
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Plenty of positives about FCUM on here, yet they are strangely ignored on the blog.
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Looks like he is trying to forge some form of rivalry,it's quite cute actually.Seeing as they play nearer Yorkshire than manchester would he not be better of trying to get accrington,rossendale or Halifax interested?
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The oxygen of attention/publicity again. Seems the whole purpose is to act as a contrary T**t.
Oh well, carry on mate, can we get back to talking about serious business now please? Last from me on this one, I'm putting my own personal Ballers lock on it, suggest others do the same.
On a lighter note, there's rumours that Halifax might have Ryan Toulson playing at centre half on Saturday!
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....why does he quote me so often?.......seems I touched a nerve but I love FCUM!!!! ;D ;D ;D
I was annoyed that we got beat by a tinpot pub team and I couldn't even watch it as I refuse to give them any of my money I but have moved on...I suggest the author of that excellent article does the same.
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They have had another kick off time moved....
12pm vs Guisley
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The original post was'nt supposed to stir up a hornets nest!!
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The original post was'nt supposed to stir up a hornets nest!!
Some people just cannot help themselves..
;D
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The blog does imply a bit of an obsession with us, but a lot of his points are reasonable, I'm afraid.
Every time FCUM are mentioned on this forum, people wade in bleating about them. Seriously, who gives a f**k? They had an idiot punch lads in the face a few years back. Obviously disgraceful. But we've had the scummier elements of Grimsby and Wrexham's support do far worse without getting in such a tiz about it. They play in Bury...so? That's the best temporary ground they could find before moving nearer to the city. Which apparently they are (and out of Trafford, so it shouldn't affect us at all).
Perhaps we should just stop talking about them? Especially if we're going to come up with poorly-researched and often downright inaccurate statements in an attempt to disparage them.
I strongly recommend we return to calling for our own manager's head after three months in the job ::)
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The blog does imply a bit of an obsession with us, but a lot of his points are reasonable, I'm afraid.
Every time FCUM are mentioned on this forum, people wade in bleating about them. Seriously, who gives a f**k? They had an idiot punch lads in the face a few years back. Obviously disgraceful. But we've had the scummier elements of Grimsby and Wrexham's support do far worse without getting in such a tiz about it. They play in Bury...so? That's the best temporary ground they could find before moving nearer to the city. Which apparently they are (and out of Trafford, so it shouldn't affect us at all).
Perhaps we should just stop talking about them? Especially if we're going to come up with poorly-researched and often downright inaccurate statements in an attempt to disparage them.
I strongly recommend we return to calling for our own manager's head after three months in the job ::)
or stoppers?
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....why does he quote me so often?.......seems I touched a nerve but I love FCUM!!!! ;D ;D ;D
I was annoyed that we got beat by a tinpot pub team and I couldn't even watch it as I refuse to give them any of my money I but have moved on...I suggest the author of that excellent article does the same.
I love that he, for some reason, thinks I made up my statement. Mind boggling.
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I hope FCUM go bust. Dislike the club, dislike their supporters.
Stick that on your ****ing pointless blog.
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I hope FCUM go bust. Dislike the club, dislike their supporters.
Stick that on your ****ing pointless blog.
I would find this Forum much improved if people would say what they REALLY think! ;)
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Looks like he is trying to forge some form of rivalry,it's quite cute actually.Seeing as they play nearer Yorkshire than manchester would he not be better of trying to get accrington,rossendale or Halifax interested?
Google maps says Gigg Lane to Manchester 8.3 miles, Moss Lane to Manchester 11.2 miles.
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Looks like he is trying to forge some form of rivalry,it's quite cute actually.Seeing as they play nearer Yorkshire than manchester would he not be better of trying to get accrington,rossendale or Halifax interested?
Google maps says Gigg Lane to Manchester 8.3 miles, Moss Lane to Manchester 11.2 miles.
Altrincham isnt part of manchester, its in cheshire.And also we have no rivalary with any club from any of the lancashire mill towns
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Looks like he is trying to forge some form of rivalry,it's quite cute actually.Seeing as they play nearer Yorkshire than manchester would he not be better of trying to get accrington,rossendale or Halifax interested?
Google maps says Gigg Lane to Manchester 8.3 miles, Moss Lane to Manchester 11.2 miles.
Altrincham isnt part of manchester, its in cheshire.And also we have no rivalary with any club from any of the lancashire mill towns
Don't be foolish. Alty (where I also live) is in Trafford, a Metropolitan borough of Greater Manchester. Has been for nearly 38 years now.
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By that rational there is no palestine and no tibet.... ::)
Heres a geography lesson, seeing as your on our forum,again.......
(http://shissem.com/cheshiremap.jpg)
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Seriously..... How old is that map?
Boundaries changed in 1974... perhaps you need a history lesson as well as a geography one?
Here's a more recent map for you:
(http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/maps/postcodes-large.jpg)
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I can't believe there are still people alive who insist that Alty is in Cheshire. I don't have to ask the Postman to know where I live.
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I can't believe there are still people alive who insist that Alty is in Cheshire.
Like the Cheshire FA.....
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I can't believe there are still people alive who insist that Alty is in Cheshire. I don't have to ask the Postman to know where I live.
Altrincham are members of the cheshire FA and the town has a cheshire postal code.You could always f**k off and live on some north manchester sink estate if you want to be all mancunian.
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I can't believe there are still people alive who insist that Alty is in Cheshire.
Like the Cheshire FA.....
I could be wrong but I think that's the club's decision to affiliate themselves with the Cheshire FA.
Anyone who was born after 1970 has no excuse for thinking Alty is still in Cheshire.
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Of course its not the clubs decision, ::)
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FCUM I am all for free speech but your getting on my nerves son.
Palace are two one up....opppss
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I can't believe there are still people alive who insist that Alty is in Cheshire. I don't have to ask the Postman to know where I live.
Altrincham are members of the cheshire FA and the town has a cheshire postal code.You could always f**k off and live on some north manchester sink estate if you want to be all mancunian.
As I said.... I don't have to ask the postman to know where I live. Seems you do....
Who do you pay your council tax to?
Do your research you thick C**t.
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Of course its not the clubs decision, ::)
Obviously not educated in Alty.... I hear Trafford has one of the best education systems in the country but it failed you if you were educated there.
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why do letters adressed to myself contain the words
SALE
CHESHIRE
M33 2PE
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why do letters adressed to myself contain the words
SALE
CHESHIRE
M33 2PE
Oh my God! You're all morons!
That's a legacy of the pre-1974 changes.
Absolute fools on here....I'm out.
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Don't be foolish. Alty (where I also live) is in Trafford, a Metropolitan borough of Greater Manchester. Has been for nearly 38 years now.
Jesus son, Mecca is just down the road...just follow the crowds
(http://lds.localdataimages.com/large/1071/10710342.jpg)
RIP The Bridge
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One final (and genuine) question then if we're all such "morons" on here:
Why do your fans sing songs about Eric Cantona when he has absolutely nothing to do with your club? I think it's this constant crossover with Manchester United that makes it difficult for some people to take your club entirely seriously.
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What made me laugh was when they all sang "we all follow United".
:D
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why do letters adressed to myself contain the words
SALE
CHESHIRE
M33 2PE
Oh my God! You're all morons!
That's a legacy of the pre-1974 changes.
Absolute fools on here....I'm out.
ah so basically its like us paying with pounds but pricing things in shilling?
:D
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I can't believe there are still people alive who insist that Alty is in Cheshire. I don't have to ask the Postman to know where I live.
Altrincham are members of the cheshire FA and the town has a cheshire postal code.You could always f**k off and live on some north manchester sink estate if you want to be all mancunian.
As I said.... I don't have to ask the postman to know where I live. Seems you do....
Who do you pay your council tax to?
Do your research you thick C**t.
I bet you pretend youve got a mike sweenyesque manc accent and everything, I dont need to research anything trafford is a made up administrative area of the made up greater manchester metropolitain county.The border between lancashire and cheshire lies along the river mersey at its northern extreme.Who plays at old trafford cricket ground, greater manchester or trafford?
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So if you live in the disputed area of Greater Manchester/Cheshire, then why don't you support your local club?
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Fcum, would you by any chance class stockport as merseyside......:@
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FCUM mad for it...Alty station for you me duck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpXLhSFZGKw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpXLhSFZGKw&feature=related)
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So if you live in the disputed area of Greater Manchester/Cheshire, then why don't you support your local club?
Probably for the same reason that he has to change hands at 25......
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So if you live in the disputed area of Greater Manchester/Cheshire, then why don't you support your local club?
Because they have fans that openly criticise their own players on the pitch after a demoralising defeat - precisely the time you should be getting behind your team. They also have fans who are pinning their hopes on 'being taken over by a Euromillions winner'
Also, let's say that 300-400 opinionated FC fans came to Alty protesting about somebody taking over our club only to try and do the same at Alty, how do you think that would have gone down with you lot? The board at Leigh RMI wanted us to merge with them but FCUM declined because it would have been hypocritical.
No thanks, I'll take fans owned clubs anyday - something you lot should take heed of. If we never make it to the football league, I don't care, as long as it remains affordable to all. Next time you're 24 hours away from extinction, perhaps you lot should consider the fans owned model.
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No thanks, I'll take fans owned clubs anyday - something you lot should take heed of. If we never make it to the football league, I don't care, as long as it remains affordable to all. Next time you're 24 hours away from distinction, perhaps you lot should consider the fans owned model.
:D Oops.
FWIW, by your logic Wigan is in Manchester. Which it CLEARLY isn't. And St. Helens in Merseyside. Which if anything is even more ridiculous.
I like the city of Manchester and if people ask where I'm from, I'm happy enough to say "Manchester" or "just near Manchester". You get conditioned to doing so by the fact that people's geography is so poor (there are southerners who've actually neevr heard of Bury, for example). But to claim you have to be some sort of eejit to regard yourself as Cestrian when you're from Altrincham is a pile of horse sh*t.
PS. Fans-owned isn't an option for us because we have a hardcore of 750 fans. For you I'm sure it's great and best of luck to you, but don't give out pointless advice to other clubs about whom you obviously know little.
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So if you live in the disputed area of Greater Manchester/Cheshire, then why don't you support your local club?
Because they have fans that openly criticise their own players on the pitch after a demoralising defeat - precisely the time you should be getting behind your team. They also have fans who are pinning their hopes on 'being taken over by a Euromillions winner'
Also, let's say that 300-400 opinionated FC fans came to Alty protesting about somebody taking over our club only to try and do the same at Alty, how do you think that would have gone down with you lot? The board at Leigh RMI wanted us to merge with them but FCUM declined because it would have been hypocritical.
No thanks, I'll take fans owned clubs anyday - something you lot should take heed of. If we never make it to the football league, I don't care, as long as it remains affordable to all. Next time you're 24 hours away from distinction,
perhaps you lot should consider the fans owned model.
Which sport did you watch prior to euro 96?
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For confirmation that Altrincham FC are in the county of cheshire while being under the jurisdiction of the borough of trafford can be sought by writing to Altrincham FC MOSS LANE, ALTRINCHAM, CHESHIRE WA15 8AP
End of ludicrous debate
Seriously before my house devalues........
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So if you live in the disputed area of Greater Manchester/Cheshire, then why don't you support your local club?
Because they have fans that openly criticise their own players on the pitch after a demoralising defeat - precisely the time you should be getting behind your team.
I'd find it weird to watch a club where people weren't that arsed about the result providing that Stand A was louder than Stand B or you sang the hilarious new song about City and Leeds.
People being pissed off at a cup defeat to a club in a lower league for the second time on the season isn't exactly exclusive to Alty.
It would happen at most clubs where people weren't just along for the ride. And you say we don't understand you....
The reason you don't get cross after defeats is because defeat is a pretty new concept for you considering the clubs you play each week get an eighth of your attendances and have a monthly playing budget the equivalent of Andy Walshs wages.
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For confirmation that Altrincham FC are in the county of cheshire while being under the jurisdiction of the borough of trafford can be sought by writing to Altrincham FC MOSS LANE, ALTRINCHAM, CHESHIRE WA15 8AP
End of ludicrous debate
Seriously before my house devalues........
Ok, you pay your council tax to Cheshire County Council then and see how long it is before debt collectors on behalf of Trafford MBC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafford) come knocking then
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Ok, you pay your council tax to Cheshire County Council then and see how long it is before debt collectors on behalf of Trafford MBC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafford) come knocking then
Is Wigan no longer Lancashire, by your reckoning?
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This is what the forum is for, not boring goodwins agreeing and patting eachothers backs, this is real debate about two very different teams for a change
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Clearly "FCUM" can't think of a smartarse answer to the relevant question I asked earlier in this thread. Therefore, I assume most people who attend FC United games aren't actually arsed about the game, they're just there to sing songs about Manchester United FC and Eric Cantona and to vandalise away grounds with stupid stickers about Malcolm Glazer.
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And partake in alcohol misuse and public disorder, if west Yorkshire police are to be believed 8)
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And partake in alcohol misuse and public disorder, if west Yorkshire police are to be believed 8)
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvfksrqhB91zt7ZO-UOUg___y9d4sA2n3BH3ua2x9DQtSLVm2W) And swearing all over people's cars. Sub-human scum! :D
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How thick is this moron, Trafford is a political area that has Stretford and Altrincham in it ! Having grown up in Irlam do you think I put Salford in my address >:( just because I pay my council tax to Swinton town hall.
Please lets end this debate its like taking to a fish or a Vics fan ;D
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How thick is this moron, Trafford is a political area that has Stretford and Altrincham in it ! Having grown up in Irlam do you think I put Salford in my address >:( just because I pay my council tax to Swinton town hall.
Please lets end this debate its like taking to a fish or a Vics fan ;D
speaking of fish
what happened to that Captain cod or whatever he was called fleetwood fan?
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TonyB, last seen attacking the Hayes & Yeading forum :D
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And partake in alcohol misuse and public disorder, if west Yorkshire police are to be believed 8)
West Yorkshire Police : a beacon of truth and hope in a tainted world......................