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Title: Lee Sinnott
Post by: JTH on April 07, 2012, 04:54:30 PM
JL match update 2nd half - "Alty trying but Hyde a better team". Next season starts now Lee, with some big budgets coming into this league we need to make sure we can match Hyde's dealings this year.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: hsmith1 on April 07, 2012, 05:00:23 PM
But from where,Lee will have to stick within what-ever budget the board gives him
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on April 07, 2012, 05:15:52 PM
I did my ranting last week, but Lee Sinnott has been repeating in the media since September that it's all about finishing the season strongly and being on top of our game at the business end of the season.Weve won one game in six, everyone can accept defeats, especially to decent sides.But after spewing it against poor sides time and time again, we HAD to get results in these games.It would be interesting to see what Gary Lowe did differently as he and lee both started at similar times with a blank canvas.Hyde shipped out some of their mediocrity to Altrincham, we offered all ours new deals...

The work does need to start now, and that starts with evaluating where we are and how things have inproved a year on from our last change of management.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: hsmith1 on April 07, 2012, 05:29:13 PM
As i said in another post rebuilding starts now.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: Hale Alty on April 07, 2012, 05:37:22 PM
Where was the support today? I've never heard an Alty crowd so flat. There was a time in that game where Hyde sat back on their lead and gave Altrincham time and space to attack and  it was was like watching in a church.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on April 07, 2012, 05:53:45 PM
Im otherwise engaged this weekend, so i couldnt comment on todays game.But the level of support the team has received this season after last years kick in the teeth, and a woeful start to this campaign has been exceptional.We keep getting let down, and keep coming back for more.As I'm sure we'll be back for more next year.The frustrating thing is, that this club is desperate and crying out for success, and the attendances would rocket, especially considering how many still turn up week in week out.But we are always the bridesmaid.Maybe the supporters could be forgiven for calling it a day for this season..
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: Sarf London Alty on April 07, 2012, 06:50:48 PM
Our best league gate of the season today by quite some distance I note. 1300 in the ground for what was essentially a dead rubber for us is good. Any idea on how many through the Hyde turnstiles?
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: distancetraveller on April 07, 2012, 06:57:45 PM
Our best league gate of the season today by quite some distance I note. 1300 in the ground for what was essentially a dead rubber for us is good. Any idea on how many through the Hyde turnstiles?


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Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: robininstockport on April 07, 2012, 07:22:18 PM
I've been quite supportive of LS, but today really pissed me off to be honest. We played our most creative player LB when we have a left footed LB on the bench. I hear Smart was poor last week but from what I've seen of him he looked ok and with Clee giving him some protection it would have been a better option. Lawrie I dont like on the left, but today he was awful.

Bringing and Phelan off and leaving Richman on was another bizzare choice.

Oh and while I'm at it Twiss was worse than ever, some of it down to not much game time, but f**k me he didn't even hold it up well.

Having said the above I didn't think there was much difference in the teams.

Not very happy but will be at Guisley to watch another T**tting.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: wayno on April 07, 2012, 07:26:46 PM
As i said in another post rebuilding starts now.

Agreed lets hope he does a better job this time around
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: 62vintage on April 07, 2012, 08:04:20 PM
Players playing out of position just makes it harder for us.
I do not understand why we keep playing Densmore in the middle or Clee at left back. Felt sorry for Twiss today as although he was poor he has hardly played so cannot be match fit. Richman is another I cannot get my head around he runs up and down all game but never does anything and I would have let him go months ago.
Having said that, their goalie made 2 wonderful saves today one of which came when we were a goal up and probably changed the game.   
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: wayno on April 07, 2012, 08:12:15 PM
Players playing out of position just makes it harder for us.
I do not understand why we keep playing Densmore in the middle or Clee at left back. Felt sorry for Twiss today as although he was poor he has hardly played so cannot be match fit. Richman is another I cannot get my head around he runs up and down all game but never does anything and I would have let him go months ago.
Having said that, their goalie made 2 wonderful saves today one of which came when we were a goal up and probably changed the game.   
agree with most of your post apart from Twiss he has never been match fit in 2 years and i dont feel sorry for him as i am sure he doesnt feel s orry for us
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: finnquark on April 07, 2012, 08:27:21 PM
   Today the problem seemed to be that whilst we want to play a passing game, we just don't have the capability to pass it out from the back. Of the back four that started the game today, only Clee looked comfortable with the ball as his feet - in my opinion that's why we were so lopsided, with the vast majority of play going down our left.
    I thought that overall there wasn't too much between the sides, except to say that we made a couple of daft errors for the second and third goals, and they looked very comfortable with the ball going forward. In the first half it seemed there wasn't a midfielder holding in the centre of the pitch for us, and they were easily able to burst through the centre of the pitch. That was stemmed a bit in the second half, but really, if you're going to give away two penalties in a game against a team top of the league, with a good set of attackers as it is, you'll probably lose.
   As for Lee, I like him, like the way the team try to play, prefer watching a team try to pass the ball and maybe be a bit flimsier than a more direct and compact style. But that is just a personal preference, so I can sort of see why some people are frustrated with various things.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: B. 4D on April 07, 2012, 10:03:30 PM
The problem today was, as all season.
We gave the ball away, they didn't :(
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: Ballers on April 08, 2012, 11:14:42 AM
Where was the support today? I've never heard an Alty crowd so flat. There was a time in that game where Hyde sat back on their lead and gave Altrincham time and space to attack and  it was was like watching in a church.

Maybe they're all too delighted at being 8/9th in the BSN to actually be able to speak!

Very telling.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: markecky on April 08, 2012, 11:20:20 AM
Where was the support today? I've never heard an Alty crowd so flat. There was a time in that game where Hyde sat back on their lead and gave Altrincham time and space to attack and  it was was like watching in a church.

Maybe they're all too delighted at being 8/9th in the BSN to actually be able to speak!

Very telling.

Who is they?

It wasn't very telling at all Ballers.

It was the fact that the game ended 2 mins into the second half.

As I seem to be responsible for starting 99% of all songs for some reason  I really couldn't be arsed to be honest as would have just ended up getting anoyed with those giddy T**ts singing back at us.

Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: whopper on April 08, 2012, 11:21:45 AM
I dont see much improvement going on and i think we need a new manager for next season rather than waiting for the inevetable mid table xmas
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: joe on April 08, 2012, 11:35:54 AM
I dont see much improvement going on and i think we need a new manager for next season rather than waiting for the inevetable mid table xmas

This! See my post on the next seasons squad thread.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: Ballers on April 08, 2012, 12:54:48 PM
The flat home fans Eck. It was the first thing that strck me that it was odd for the majority of the crowd to be so resigned.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on April 08, 2012, 12:56:34 PM
I've been quite supportive of LS, but today really pissed me off to be honest. We played our most creative player LB when we have a left footed LB on the bench. I hear Smart was poor last week but from what I've seen of him he looked ok and with Clee giving him some protection it would have been a better option. Lawrie I dont like on the left, but today he was awful.

Bringing and Phelan off and leaving Richman on was another bizzare choice.

Oh and while I'm at it Twiss was worse than ever, some of it down to not much game time, but f**k me he didn't even hold it up well.



I share your disillusionment.

Sinnott appears to talk a good game in the press but some of his recent team selections and his inability to react when things are evidently not working on the pitch have been bewildering and alarming.

And the most animated that Tolson was all afternoon comprised him congratulating and embracing some of the Hyde players as they left the field at the end of the game.

Our season had just died with a whimper, for God's sake....

  





Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: wayno on April 08, 2012, 01:16:07 PM
I've been quite supportive of LS, but today really pissed me off to be honest. We played our most creative player LB when we have a left footed LB on the bench. I hear Smart was poor last week but from what I've seen of him he looked ok and with Clee giving him some protection it would have been a better option. Lawrie I dont like on the left, but today he was awful.

Bringing and Phelan off and leaving Richman on was another bizzare choice.

Oh and while I'm at it Twiss was worse than ever, some of it down to not much game time, but f**k me he didn't even hold it up well.



I share your disillusionment.

Sinnott appears to talk a good game in the press but some of his recent team selections and his inability to react when things are evidently not working on the pitch have been bewildering and alarming.

And the most animated that Tolson was all afternoon comprised him congratulating and embracing some of the Hyde players as they left the field at the end of the game.

Our season had just died with a whimper, for God's sake....

  






Cult is spot on i think

I am gutted we have not done better this season i really am and i hoped and prayed that Lee could take over from Ken and have a big impact

Personally for me i dont think he is passionate for the club unlike previous managers ie KM GH JK BT etc and that worries the hell out of me
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: John Crewe on April 08, 2012, 01:19:20 PM
i think it is time to draw a line under this shambles and move on - with a new management team
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: joe on April 08, 2012, 01:55:30 PM
i think it is time to draw a line under this shambles and move on - with a new management team

Agreed!
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: John Crewe on April 08, 2012, 01:58:36 PM
i think it is time to draw a line under this shambles and move on - with a new management team

Agreed!
Darren Sheridan sounds ideal
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: whopper on April 08, 2012, 02:02:08 PM
i think it is time to draw a line under this shambles and move on - with a new management team

Agreed!
Darren Sheridan sounds ideal
i agree too, can we start the interview process now!
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on April 08, 2012, 07:53:59 PM
Some of the stuff posted on here is unbelievable.

If some of you were to have your way we'd be changingplaying squads, managers or more likely both every other game.

Only one team can win the title and only four others can make the playoffs and I'm afraid that at present we are not one lof those two teams and nor, despite the views of some, do we have a divine right to be one of those teams.

We are going to have to show a bit of patience but will then hopefully get a team which will not only be able to get us up but also keep us up.

I wonder how long Sir Alex Ferguson would have lasted had he been managing us rather than United when he came down from Aberdeen?
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: John Crewe on April 08, 2012, 07:59:15 PM
Some of the stuff posted on here is unbelievable.

If some of you were to have your way we'd be changingplaying squads, managers or more likely both every other game.

Only one team can win the title and only four others can make the playoffs and I'm afraid that at present we are not one lof those two teams and nor, despite the views of some, do we have a divine right to be one of those teams.

We are going to have to show a bit of patience but will then hopefully get a team which will not only be able to get us up but also keep us up.

I wonder how long Sir Alex Ferguson would have lasted had he been managing us rather than United when he came down from Aberdeen?
are you that chap he hands the passes on the bar door?
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: GolfRoader on April 08, 2012, 08:04:59 PM
He at least deserves another season.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: John Crewe on April 08, 2012, 08:07:32 PM
He at least deserves another season.
can you clarify why?

how do you see us improving next season?
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: whopper on April 08, 2012, 08:27:33 PM
Some of the stuff posted on here is unbelievable.

If some of you were to have your way we'd be changingplaying squads, managers or more likely both every other game.

Only one team can win the title and only four others can make the playoffs and I'm afraid that at present we are not one lof those two teams and nor, despite the views of some, do we have a divine right to be one of those teams.

We are going to have to show a bit of patience but will then hopefully get a team which will not only be able to get us up but also keep us up.

I wonder how long Sir Alex Ferguson would have lasted had he been managing us rather than United when he came down from Aberdeen?
come on phil can u really see us competing under sinnot without reeves we would be terrible
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: RageAgainstTheFirstTeam on April 08, 2012, 08:39:25 PM
Some of the stuff posted on here is unbelievable.

If some of you were to have your way we'd be changingplaying squads, managers or more likely both every other game.

Only one team can win the title and only four others can make the playoffs and I'm afraid that at present we are not one lof those two teams and nor, despite the views of some, do we have a divine right to be one of those teams.

We are going to have to show a bit of patience but will then hopefully get a team which will not only be able to get us up but also keep us up.

I wonder how long Sir Alex Ferguson would have lasted had he been managing us rather than United when he came down from Aberdeen?
are you that chap he hands the passes on the bar door?

the fella who hands the passes isn't him.

And I agree with ATS for the record.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: John Crewe on April 08, 2012, 08:50:00 PM
Some of the stuff posted on here is unbelievable.

If some of you were to have your way we'd be changingplaying squads, managers or more likely both every other game.

Only one team can win the title and only four others can make the playoffs and I'm afraid that at present we are not one lof those two teams and nor, despite the views of some, do we have a divine right to be one of those teams.

We are going to have to show a bit of patience but will then hopefully get a team which will not only be able to get us up but also keep us up.

I wonder how long Sir Alex Ferguson would have lasted had he been managing us rather than United when he came down from Aberdeen?
are you that chap he hands the passes on the bar door?

the fella who hands the passes isn't him.

And I agree with ATS for the record.

yes Clicky I understand your thinking.........you already told me in your this time next season thread that promotion and a cup run are assured next season under LS

just hope that you keep your patience if it dosent materialise?
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: Butty on April 08, 2012, 08:51:17 PM
Some of the stuff posted on here is unbelievable.

If some of you were to have your way we'd be changingplaying squads, managers or more likely both every other game.

Only one team can win the title and only four others can make the playoffs and I'm afraid that at present we are not one lof those two teams and nor, despite the views of some, do we have a divine right to be one of those teams.

We are going to have to show a bit of patience but will then hopefully get a team which will not only be able to get us up but also keep us up.

I wonder how long Sir Alex Ferguson would have lasted had he been managing us rather than United when he came down from Aberdeen?
are you that chap he hands the passes on the bar door?

Theres a small clue in his forum name...
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: joe on April 08, 2012, 09:04:19 PM
Some of the stuff posted on here is unbelievable.

If some of you were to have your way we'd be changingplaying squads, managers or more likely both every other game.

Only one team can win the title and only four others can make the playoffs and I'm afraid that at present we are not one lof those two teams and nor, despite the views of some, do we have a divine right to be one of those teams.

We are going to have to show a bit of patience but will then hopefully get a team which will not only be able to get us up but also keep us up.

I wonder how long Sir Alex Ferguson would have lasted had he been managing us rather than United when he came down from Aberdeen?
come on phil can u really see us competing under sinnot without reeves we would be terrible

This! Without Damian Reeves we would be bottom half of mid table. Sinnott is clueless!
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: GolfRoader on April 08, 2012, 09:05:58 PM
He at least deserves another season.
can you clarify why?

how do you see us improving next season?

Well, for a start I think it's ridiculous that people are calling for his head after one season. it's  not like we're battling relegation and some fans on here seem to think we have a god given right to go straight back up,. We've done ok this year, not great but not bad. This is certainly no grounds for sacking a manager after 1 season?

And I see us improving by building on what we have now. I hope we will also improve through an increased budget after cutting it this year from over spending to stay up last term  and from the freeing up of wages from Twiss.

Why do you think we would benefit from changing the management team?
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: joe on April 08, 2012, 09:09:56 PM
He at least deserves another season.
can you clarify why?

how do you see us improving next season?

Well, for a start I think it's ridiculous that people are calling for his head after one season. it's  not like we're battling relegation and some fans on here seem to think we have a god given right to go straight back up,. We've done ok this year, not great but not bad. This is certainly no grounds for sacking a manager after 1 season?

And I see us improving by building on what we have now. I hope we will also improve through an increased budget after cutting it this year from over spending to stay up last term  and from the freeing up of wages from Twiss.

Why do you think we would benefit from changing the management team?


Because Sinnott has done absolutely nothing to convince me he'll do any better next season.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: Butty on April 08, 2012, 10:24:54 PM
If terminating contracts was that easy, Mr Twiss would have been unemployed several months ago. Do you really think we can afford to pay him off, and how would that affect the playing budget?
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: John Crewe on April 08, 2012, 10:47:39 PM
He at least deserves another season.
can you clarify why?

how do you see us improving next season?

Well, for a start I think it's ridiculous that people are calling for his head after one season. it's  not like we're battling relegation and some fans on here seem to think we have a god given right to go straight back up,. We've done ok this year, not great but not bad. This is certainly no grounds for sacking a manager after 1 season?

And I see us improving by building on what we have now. I hope we will also improve through an increased budget after cutting it this year from over spending to stay up last term  and from the freeing up of wages from Twiss.

Why do you think we would benefit from changing the management team?
why do I think we would benefit from changing the management team? Because the current one have not been able to structure a defence all season, are tactically inept, lack passion, have no contacts - should I go on?

Building on what we have now?

I think your banking on a) Reeves staying and b) LS working out a defence - both far from certain

Are we supposed to be satisfied with 8th or 9th in the league (as you seem more than happy with)? Sorry for me it not enough
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: Ballers on April 08, 2012, 10:49:42 PM
I'm not going to go over old ground with the Lee Sinnott thing but I'll just sayy thaqt trotting out the old what if United had sacked Ferguson thing is the biggest load of bollocks in football.

One, he hadn't done that bad. Two, name me another example of all the hundreds of managers in the last 20 years who've gone of to achieve success after a bad start. At best Ferguson is a 1 in 200 shot,
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on April 08, 2012, 11:07:27 PM
I'm not going to go over old ground with the Lee Sinnott thing but I'll just sayy thaqt trotting out the old what if United had sacked Ferguson thing is the biggest load of bollocks in football.

One, he hadn't done that bad. Two, name me another example of all the hundreds of managers in the last 20 years who've gone of to achieve success after a bad start. At best Ferguson is a 1 in 200 shot,

Firstly it aint bollocks as it is based upon a fact, demonstrated not only by Man Utd (just an example) but also by Arsenal and Everton (as other examples) that there may be benefit to perseverance

Secondly I feel sure that the United fans at the time felt that he had done extremely badly indeed!!

Thirdly, it can be (and has been) argued by some that we have not 'done that bad' as you describe it. Nowhere near the wrong end of the table and, with four games remaining, still mathematically capable of achieving the play-offs!!!
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: bumble on April 08, 2012, 11:17:04 PM
The problem with replacing him, is how long do you give the new guy?

Do you give him 9 months to make a instant impact?
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: John Crewe on April 08, 2012, 11:20:24 PM
The problem with replacing him, is how long do you give the new guy?

Do you give him 9 months to make a instant impact?

its about making the right decision

and having the balls to hold your hands up and accept when a mistake has been made

do we have the balls?
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on April 08, 2012, 11:26:13 PM
I'm not going to go over old ground with the Lee Sinnott thing but I'll just sayy thaqt trotting out the old what if United had sacked Ferguson thing is the biggest load of bollocks in football.

One, he hadn't done that bad. Two, name me another example of all the hundreds of managers in the last 20 years who've gone of to achieve success after a bad start. At best Ferguson is a 1 in 200 shot,

Firstly it aint bollocks as it is based upon a fact, demonstrated not only by Man Utd (just an example) but also by Arsenal and Everton (as other examples) that there may be benefit to perseverance

Secondly I feel sure that the United fans at the time felt that he had done extremely badly indeed!!

Thirdly, it can be (and has been) argued by some that we have not 'done that bad' as you describe it. Nowhere near the wrong end of the table and, with four games remaining, still mathematically capable of achieving the play-offs!!!
your blind faith is commendable but also cringe worthy

i dont think your doing anyone any favours

Believe me pal it aint "blind faith" as you put it. I have been critical of past managers and I have some misgivings about certain elements of Mr Sinnott

HOWEVER

I am, I believe a fair individual with no predetermined agenda (last one of those related to Darren Tinson).

I am also realistic, a trait which, IMHO is sadly missing from those currently flocking to support the "knee jerk" Sinnott out movement whilst not particularly well blessed with viable, well thought out alternatives
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on April 08, 2012, 11:28:37 PM
The problem with replacing him, is how long do you give the new guy?

Do you give him 9 months to make a instant impact?

its about making the right decision

and having the balls to hold your hands up and accept when a mistake has been made

do we have the balls?

If you are calling for us to demonstrate that "we have the balls" then would you consider retaining the current management sufficiently brave?

Or maybe this course of action doesn't fit your destabilisation plan
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: Hamilton on April 08, 2012, 11:37:03 PM
For what its worth ATS speaks a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: bumble on April 08, 2012, 11:39:01 PM
I'm not going to go over old ground with the Lee Sinnott thing but I'll just sayy thaqt trotting out the old what if United had sacked Ferguson thing is the biggest load of bollocks in football.

One, he hadn't done that bad. Two, name me another example of all the hundreds of managers in the last 20 years who've gone of to achieve success after a bad start. At best Ferguson is a 1 in 200 shot,

Firstly it aint bollocks as it is based upon a fact, demonstrated not only by Man Utd (just an example) but also by Arsenal and Everton (as other examples) that there may be benefit to perseverance

Secondly I feel sure that the United fans at the time felt that he had done extremely badly indeed!!

Thirdly, it can be (and has been) argued by some that we have not 'done that bad' as you describe it. Nowhere near the wrong end of the table and, with four games remaining, still mathematically capable of achieving the play-offs!!!
your blind faith is commendable but also cringe worthy

i dont think your doing anyone any favours

Believe me pal it aint "blind faith" as you put it. I have been critical of past managers and I have some misgivings about certain elements of Mr Sinnott

HOWEVER

I am, I believe a fair individual with no predetermined agenda (last one of those related to Darren Tinson).

I am also realistic, a trait which, IMHO is sadly missing from those currently flocking to support the "knee jerk" Sinnott out movement whilst not particularly well blessed with viable, well thought out alternatives

saying it is still mathematically capable of achieving the play-offs is blind faith and cringe worthy

sorry, totally disagree there - If he said "mathematically capable, and i believe we will" that would be blind faith

simply saying "it could still happen" is not blind faith.....
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: John Crewe on April 08, 2012, 11:44:02 PM
so what do you see as the way forward Fatdog?
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: GolfRoader on April 09, 2012, 12:37:22 AM
He at least deserves another season.
can you clarify why?

how do you see us improving next season?

Well, for a start I think it's ridiculous that people are calling for his head after one season. it's  not like we're battling relegation and some fans on here seem to think we have a god given right to go straight back up,. We've done ok this year, not great but not bad. This is certainly no grounds for sacking a manager after 1 season?

And I see us improving by building on what we have now. I hope we will also improve through an increased budget after cutting it this year from over spending to stay up last term  and from the freeing up of wages from Twiss.

Why do you think we would benefit from changing the management team?
why do I think we would benefit from changing the management team? Because the current one have not been able to structure a defence all season, are tactically inept, lack passion, have no contacts - should I go on?

Building on what we have now?

I think your banking on a) Reeves staying and b) LS working out a defence - both far from certain

Are we supposed to be satisfied with 8th or 9th in the league (as you seem more than happy with)? Sorry for me it not enough

No, I'm not satisfied with 8th or 9th and I'd love to see us back in the BSP as soon as possible but I also don't believe that the answer is chopping and changing the manager.It hasn't worked perfectly this year but it doesn't mean it won't next season and I think he should have a chance to mount a proper challenge with a better knowledge of club and players, the league and a healthier budget. However, If we haven't improved our defence and aren't competing this time next year then I will begin to agree with you.

I know that Reeves is likely to go this summer too. He's been fantastic this season and I'd love it if he stayed but it does seem unlikely. What I have been impressed with this year is some of our build up play and creativity. We have played some great football and scored a few great goals in the process, completely turning over a few teams. Players like Lawrie and Clee have also been excellent at times and I'm looking forward to seeing how Watmore will develop next year too.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: Bob on April 09, 2012, 06:05:16 AM
I'm not going to go over old ground with the Lee Sinnott thing but I'll just sayy thaqt trotting out the old what if United had sacked Ferguson thing is the biggest load of bollocks in football.

One, he hadn't done that bad. Two, name me another example of all the hundreds of managers in the last 20 years who've gone of to achieve success after a bad start. At best Ferguson is a 1 in 200 shot,

Firstly it aint bollocks as it is based upon a fact, demonstrated not only by Man Utd (just an example) but also by Arsenal and Everton (as other examples) that there may be benefit to perseverance

Secondly I feel sure that the United fans at the time felt that he had done extremely badly indeed!!

Thirdly, it can be (and has been) argued by some that we have not 'done that bad' as you describe it. Nowhere near the wrong end of
the table and, with four games remaining, still mathematically capable of achieving the play-offs!!!

if you want to go back further than 20 years then you've got Revie at Leeds, Clough (at Derby and Forest), Robson at Ipswich, Burkinshaw at Spurs, Gradi at Crewe.

Sinnott has a lot to prove next season, and he needs to do better. No question. But I agree with ATS in that it takes more balls to stick with a manager and give him time, rather than get sack happy when there's no instant success.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: Romeo 48 on April 09, 2012, 08:58:51 AM
I'm not going to go over old ground with the Lee Sinnott thing but I'll just sayy thaqt trotting out the old what if United had sacked Ferguson thing is the biggest load of bollocks in football.

One, he hadn't done that bad. Two, name me another example of all the hundreds of managers in the last 20 years who've gone of to achieve success after a bad start. At best Ferguson is a 1 in 200 shot,

Firstly it aint bollocks as it is based upon a fact, demonstrated not only by Man Utd (just an example) but also by Arsenal and Everton (as other examples) that there may be benefit to perseverance

Secondly I feel sure that the United fans at the time felt that he had done extremely badly indeed!!

Thirdly, it can be (and has been) argued by some that we have not 'done that bad' as you describe it. Nowhere near the wrong end of
the table and, with four games remaining, still mathematically capable of achieving the play-offs!!!

if you want to go back further than 20 years then you've got Revie at Leeds, Clough (at Derby and Forest), Robson at Ipswich, Burkinshaw at Spurs, Gradi at Crewe.

Sinnott has a lot to prove next season, and he needs to do better. No question. But I agree with ATS in that it takes more balls to stick with a manager and give him time, rather than get sack happy when there's no instant success.
Totally agree. We haven't always impressed this season, but how often have we had even three quarters of a settled line-up ? The way Lee sets us out to play has given me a lot more entertainment than in recent seasons, and with a bigger budget I'm prepared to see how Lee strengthens the squad. He'll already have identified a number of target players for sure.

Personally I think we need to lower the average age of our squad. Older players like Miles and Broomes aren't the investment in the futute that the club needs. Having enjoyed the brief cameo from Matt Fearon early on, and seeing the clear potential of Duncan Watmore, I believe that the esteemed Mr.Heslop has a very important role to play !
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: The Thriving Jezza on April 09, 2012, 09:25:40 AM
It's an odd thing but all i hear pre match is well where's he going to play densmore then? he's not gonna play lawrie on the left is he?...well where's that left back he signed?

After the game I hear....wish we'd play everyone in their correct positions, we were a shambles by the end, what formation were we playing?...all he's had to do is sort the defence out...a 41 goal striker and we can't even make the play offs.

Then the consensus seems to be we give him till xmas......My prediction is that we will obviously give lee next pre season....and then he will be sacked around november/december....I hope he proves me wrong but by the way he stands arms crossed doing nothing while it is obvious we need a change and some of his square peg round hole team selection really has gone on too long to suggest to me he can change his thinking...

For the rest of the season he should use the time to blood a few youngsters like watmore...give them 90 minutes every game and tell them to relax, enjoy themsleves and it doesn't matter if we get thrashed 5-0....that would prove the guy has an idea of a two year plan...if reeves is so defintely leaving then lets start without him now or try to tie him down now....that's management.

I would say that the players seem to play for him and couldn't be accused of not showing effort, he's definetly got more out of twiss than the 'cote did...I noticed how slimline twiss looked yesteray.....he's got reevsey playing very well but that's about it....
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: george on April 09, 2012, 10:32:12 AM
Have you thought LS may be the reason Damian stayed @ Moss Lane. Don't forget they were together at Leeds United & Farsley Celtic.
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: VofD on April 09, 2012, 11:49:55 AM
It's an odd thing but all i hear pre match is well where's he going to play densmore then? he's not gonna play lawrie on the left is he?...well where's that left back he signed?

After the game I hear....wish we'd play everyone in their correct positions, we were a shambles by the end, what formation were we playing?...all he's had to do is sort the defence out...a 41 goal striker and we can't even make the play offs.

Then the consensus seems to be we give him till xmas......My prediction is that we will obviously give lee next pre season....and then he will be sacked around november/december....I hope he proves me wrong but by the way he stands arms crossed doing nothing while it is obvious we need a change and some of his square peg round hole team selection really has gone on too long to suggest to me he can change his thinking...

For the rest of the season he should use the time to blood a few youngsters like watmore...give them 90 minutes every game and tell them to relax, enjoy themsleves and it doesn't matter if we get thrashed 5-0....that would prove the guy has an idea of a two year plan...if reeves is so defintely leaving then lets start without him now or try to tie him down now....that's management.

I would say that the players seem to play for him and couldn't be accused of not showing effort, he's definetly got more out of twiss than the 'cote did...I noticed how slimline twiss looked yesteray.....he's got reevsey playing very well but that's about it....


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Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: Mick on April 09, 2012, 12:35:32 PM
Lee Sinnott here or not..........we have to hope that the budget next season IS competitive for this division. At the moment we are all assuming (me included) that there will be more to spend next season as we lose a few 'high earners' off the wage bill and that we have been able to 'recover' last seasons losses.
For this to happen we need the crowds to hold up next season so it is important that we get a good start or people will lose faith. We also need to retain sponsors' as well as people continuing to support the club's / TASC's other efforts to raise cash......both of these will be influenced by the football results next season.

 
Title: Re: Lee Sinnott
Post by: bigcol on April 09, 2012, 02:42:31 PM
I'm struggling to find positives from this season, but these are my main points against Lee:

1) Just how many players have we had registered?  There's been a mixture of reasons - players not fulfilling early promise, us not quite getting the hand of player registration at this level (or falling victim to it, whichever), plainly players who have come in not being good enough at this level (which is to be frank scary, the Premier League this aint - if you can pass a ball and tackle that should get you half way there).  Normally teams are built around key players - apart from Coburn and Messi I haven't seen that.

2) There doesn't seem to be a set plan we are working towards, tactics, formations, style of play, youth, experience, loans etc.   

3) Square pegs in round holes.  Again that might be due to the paucity of our squad but our main creative threat playing at left back?  Honest?

4) I don't buy all the talk about Twiss and money.  Budgets don't always equal success - look at Southport vs Luton in the BSP.  Or even further up, Norwich and Swansea.  We should have enough to compete.

All in all, I just haven't "got it" this season.  I got what GH was trying to do, and got what Kenny was trying too.  I just don't see what Lee's plan is.  As supporters if we see it we can get behind it.

If he's on a 2-year contract so be it, good luck to him and we'll get behind him.  It may be irony, but the amount of self-depreciation we are giving the likes of Summerskill and co says a lot.