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Title: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: VofD on November 09, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
Total shambles >:( >:(
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Holmes Chapel Alty on November 09, 2014, 03:50:18 PM
He cant
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: The Thriving Jezza on November 09, 2014, 03:52:02 PM
I'm sure he'll talk a good talk....never signs a new player to change things unless it's close season just fiddles with the same players....

same thing same time next year everyone eh?
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: VofD on November 09, 2014, 03:54:43 PM
I'm sure he'll talk a good talk....never signs a new player to change things unless it's close season just fiddles with the same players....

same thing same time next year everyone eh?

Next year we'll be out in September >:( >:(
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: eightiesrobin on November 09, 2014, 04:27:15 PM
You couldn't really complain about the team selection before the game, as it was the same 11 (bar the charmed Coburn) that did the biz at Lincoln.

RR commentary made it sound like everyone had a sh*t game, so no singling out. However, Lee has assembled, and continues to preside over, a consistently browbeatable bunch of players, so he has to carry the can for me. 
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: SW on November 09, 2014, 04:27:41 PM
Without defending anyone, why is it always the manager? Players should understand the importance of wearing that shirt, following on from previous illustrious teams, a team with a cup fighting pedigree. They should believe, graft and fight. I bet Blyth's players don't get 50% of what our lot do.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: eightiesrobin on November 09, 2014, 04:29:02 PM
SW - it's Lee's team. It isn't as if the players have just started getting beaten whenever there is a scrap, it's been going on since the start of last season.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Beaver on November 09, 2014, 04:35:13 PM
Not blaming Sinnot for that. Alty players didnt need a manager this week to know they should have given it everything.

every single one should be ashamed, the lowest point of their careers.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: SW on November 09, 2014, 04:41:03 PM
I know, I know, we have talented able footballers, but the fight and determination seems to drift in and out. All was visible in the play-offs, as it was against Macc, it surely isn't down to managers to push on how important a game like today was? We were up against lower opposition who obviously really were motivated and wanted it more, we are big enough surely to counter that and do a professional job.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: eightiesrobin on November 09, 2014, 04:46:51 PM
Not blaming Sinnot for that. Alty players didnt need a manager this week to know they should have given it everything.

every single one should be ashamed, the lowest point of their careers.

I agree in part, but the fact remains it's Lee's team, built in his own image. I understand that financial constraints means he's had to sign some journeymen, but he could surely look a bit deeper for unexposed players from somewhere. Alan Lord seems to manage it at Stockport.


Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: VofD on November 09, 2014, 04:51:35 PM
Not blaming Sinnot for that. Alty players didnt need a manager this week to know they should have given it everything.

every single one should be ashamed, the lowest point of their careers.

I agree in part, but the fact remains it's Lee's team, built in his own image. I understand that financial constraints means he's had to sign some journeymen, but he could surely look a bit deeper for unexposed players from somewhere. Alan Lord seems to manage it at Stockport.




and Lee's tactics >:(
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: eightiesrobin on November 09, 2014, 04:58:19 PM
Come on Lee, prune out the dead wood.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Roehampton Alty on November 09, 2014, 05:07:24 PM
Can't comment on the game, I wasn't there.

I think I've settled on the idea that Sinnott is an okay manager. He does well in some situations, he doesn't in others. He brings in some good players (Walshaw basically got us promoted), but he also brings in some donkeys (Ryan Brooke?). Arguably he should have taken us up a season earlier, but we improved year on year and did eventually get promoted. It's not unusual for clubs too big for their level to get stuck there for 5 or even 10 years. So at least we can give him his dues for that.

As for today...I don't know whether the problem today was tactics, formation, tiredness (we played away midweek, they rested) or what. But if it appeared to be fight and motivation, surely that's down to the players? Win against Blyth and they're one game away from Old Trafford or Anfield. These blokes aren't imbeciles - if they can't be arsed putting a shift in up at some ramshackle ground because they can't make the connection that they might play in front of 40,000+ and earn the club hundreds of thousands in the process, then what can Sinnott do? He's not a baby-sitter. He's a football manager of grown men.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on November 09, 2014, 05:10:20 PM

Total shambles >:( >:(



How can you defend your prediction that we would win 5-1....?!

Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: VofD on November 09, 2014, 05:15:43 PM

Total shambles >:( >:(



How can you defend your prediction that we would win 5-1....?!



I admit it. I got my tactics all wrong ;D ;D
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on November 09, 2014, 05:20:01 PM
The manager can't be blamed today,he gets enough heckling. he picked his strongest available team. The only thing the manager can be blamed for is not signing any warriors. A player of ours ducked our of two challenges first half, and you knew the game was up. We would have won that game with Val and eddie in the middle even at nearly 40 and nearly 50. Blyth beat us by doing what we did to league clubs for years.Weve no one one there with any real heart.  A watershed for this team today, after trafford last year and this today, can they really look the supporters in the eye? Theyve embaressed the club and town on national television.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Jimmy Hill on November 09, 2014, 05:20:23 PM
Can't comment on the game, I wasn't there.

I think I've settled on the idea that Sinnott is an okay manager. He does well in some situations, he doesn't in others. He brings in some good players (Walshaw basically got us promoted), but he also brings in some donkeys (Ryan Brooke?). Arguably he should have taken us up a season earlier, but we improved year on year and did eventually get promoted. It's not unusual for clubs too big for their level to get stuck there for 5 or even 10 years. So at least we can give him his dues for that.

As for today...I don't know whether the problem today was tactics, formation, tiredness (we played away midweek, they rested) or what. But if it appeared to be fight and motivation, surely that's down to the players? Win against Blyth and they're one game away from Old Trafford or Anfield. These blokes aren't imbeciles - if they can't be arsed putting a shift in up at some ramshackle ground because they can't make the connection that they might play in front of 40,000+ and earn the club hundreds of thousands in the process, then what can Sinnott do? He's not a baby-sitter. He's a football manager of grown men.

I'm not sure this idea that the players should be able to motivate themselves is relevant.

I agree that you'd hope they'd be up for a game like this, but it's obvious that they aren't. The buck stops with the manager and he's ultimately responsible for the attitude of the players. If he can't get them in the right mindset he's failed.

This is why we have a manager, if players could motivate and organise themselves we wouldn't need to employ one!
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: markecky on November 09, 2014, 05:29:05 PM
Can't comment on the game, I wasn't there.

I think I've settled on the idea that Sinnott is an okay manager. He does well in some situations, he doesn't in others. He brings in some good players (Walshaw basically got us promoted), but he also brings in some donkeys (Ryan Brooke?). Arguably he should have taken us up a season earlier, but we improved year on year and did eventually get promoted. It's not unusual for clubs too big for their level to get stuck there for 5 or even 10 years. So at least we can give him his dues for that.

As for today...I don't know whether the problem today was tactics, formation, tiredness (we played away midweek, they rested) or what. But if it appeared to be fight and motivation, surely that's down to the players? Win against Blyth and they're one game away from Old Trafford or Anfield. These blokes aren't imbeciles - if they can't be arsed putting a shift in up at some ramshackle ground because they can't make the connection that they might play in front of 40,000+ and earn the club hundreds of thousands in the process, then what can Sinnott do? He's not a baby-sitter. He's a football manager of grown men.

Very good post and one that sums up how i feel.

Add in to the bit about Old Trafford and Anfield though the fact it is one of the few times these players can actually earn a bonus.  So there is money and glory to be had.  That is what makes it even more baffling.

I thought the team and formation was right today with no Clee available and I agreed with bringing Stuarts experience back for a tie like this. 

The manager has to take some of the flack today and he will but for me both he and the supporters have been badly let down by the players today.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on November 09, 2014, 05:36:20 PM
Hear Hear, as ive said above, watershed for a few players today for me
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: eightiesrobin on November 09, 2014, 05:39:54 PM
Hear Hear, as ive said above, watershed for a few players today for me

In that case, he needs to do something about it. If he doesn't, then he's just as culpable.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: brian1925 on November 09, 2014, 05:40:40 PM
Thankfully I couldn't go today.
Firstly, well played to Blyth, who sound like they played us off the park. I hope they do well in this competition, for they're what I would consider a proper non league club with a proud history.
As for who is to blame. I suppose the same debate is going on on the Coventry, Morecambe, Exeter etc. forums right now. Is it down to the manager? The players? Both? Are Blyth just bloody hard to beat at home? Is it just the cup?
In truth it's probably a bit of all these reasons and a few more besides. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but that's life - just got to get behind the team v Telford and Grimsby now and hope for at least 3 points. Knowing us we'll lose at Telford and then beat second placed Grimsby!
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: AFC56 on November 09, 2014, 06:22:57 PM
The players showed no fight or passion today and neither did Lee sinnott. Leant against that digout with a face like a slapped arse. Why wasn't he trying to motivate his players from the side? I'm sick of him and his team full of soft arses. So much wrong today, but the conclusion is that watching alty under Lee is becoming a drag.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: distancetraveller on November 09, 2014, 06:24:51 PM
I hold the manager to account simply down to the fact that whenever Clee isn't fit then were buggered.. ask yourself why is that? Because he has never bothered to cover that position. We must be the only club that when we lose one player to injury were bloody knackered. We will get someone when its too bloody late
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Toff Apple on November 09, 2014, 06:32:13 PM
clee or watmore, the only creativity we have had for years and years.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Mick on November 09, 2014, 06:35:17 PM
I am on holiday at the moment.........got texted with the news by my mate who has just seen his team beat Braintree 6 - 0.........a two division gap and what he expected - I did say earlier this was Alty - a team who never make the second round and at best I was hoping for a replay - he could not understand my pessimism saying you surely have the quality to beat Blyth don't you........just knew it
Oh well back to fundraising whilst Warrington make 100k in the next tie
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on November 09, 2014, 07:03:11 PM

If you can bear to watch.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29907378 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29907378)

Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: brian1925 on November 09, 2014, 07:23:18 PM
Nicky didn't play at Lincoln though, so losing today can hardly put down to that! We conceded 4 goals which points a bit at the defence. What we probably need is a sort of utility player who can play at full back in the event of injury, so we don't have to break up the Luca/Scot partnership, though I doubt even that would have kept us in the cup today.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: robininstockport on November 09, 2014, 07:35:28 PM
I'm not LS's biggest fan but that was not down to him
(I'm assuming Williams was injured and had to come off The players have to take responsibity for that.)

utter sh*t from the lot
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Bath Alty on November 09, 2014, 07:44:48 PM
The 'tackle' by Luca on the third goal was not what we would normally expect from him and somewhat typical of the display from what they said on RR
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Bath Alty on November 09, 2014, 07:47:13 PM

If you can bear to watch.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29907378 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29907378)



just as predictable as us not showing up is the BBC accuracy - Densmore gave away the penalty???
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: oneedham on November 09, 2014, 08:30:19 PM
Can't comment on the game, I wasn't there.

I think I've settled on the idea that Sinnott is an okay manager. He does well in some situations, he doesn't in others. He brings in some good players (Walshaw basically got us promoted), but he also brings in some donkeys (Ryan Brooke?). Arguably he should have taken us up a season earlier, but we improved year on year and did eventually get promoted. It's not unusual for clubs too big for their level to get stuck there for 5 or even 10 years. So at least we can give him his dues for that.

As for today...I don't know whether the problem today was tactics, formation, tiredness (we played away midweek, they rested) or what. But if it appeared to be fight and motivation, surely that's down to the players? Win against Blyth and they're one game away from Old Trafford or Anfield. These blokes aren't imbeciles - if they can't be arsed putting a shift in up at some ramshackle ground because they can't make the connection that they might play in front of 40,000+ and earn the club hundreds of thousands in the process, then what can Sinnott do? He's not a baby-sitter. He's a football manager of grown men.

I'm not sure this idea that the players should be able to motivate themselves is relevant.

I agree that you'd hope they'd be up for a game like this, but it's obvious that they aren't. The buck stops with the manager and he's ultimately responsible for the attitude of the players. If he can't get them in the right mindset he's failed.

This is why we have a manager, if players could motivate and organise themselves we wouldn't need to employ one!
[/quote I I do think that the players have a lot to answer for but still he selects players that aren't up to the task, knowing the tempo will be high and past knowledge that Blyth are tough do you start Lawrie, most talented player we have but the answer for me is no. Now going back to baby sitting the players, I agree partially to that but when do Alty come out flying nowadays? I use Graham Heathcote as my example because he was around for the majority of my supporting years. Graham didnt often have the most talented players to manager but he had them fighting, other teams knew they played us. We battled, we got stuck in and we had heart, this is what Sinnot doesn't put into the players, numerous times he makes ridiculous and baffling decisions.  We are too honest which sounds weird but we aren't clever at all in tactics, we are soft ( no wonder we wond most fair play award a couple of seasons back, as we don't get stuck in). Football is not just about talent, it is being mentally prepared and Sinnott hasn't got that ability as a manager, never doubted his ability to see a good footballer apart from some obvious selections like Brooke, Perry, Marshall and a few others. For me he just doesn't get them up for it and that's half the battle and when it's going wrong he doesn't change it or maybe he doesn't see it! This is why I feel the manager has  a lot to answer for, any decent manager with this current team would write down Leather and Havern centre back no matter what and injury to others. He makes far too many basic mistakes!]
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: oneedham on November 09, 2014, 08:40:50 PM
Too add to my previous post, the trully shocking performances under Sinnott have been against teams in lower divisons or teams right at the bottom, this is a clear indication of teams raising their game against us and we just don't match it! I saw more passion in the Warrington manager in 5 minutes than Sinnott in how many years. Never will be an Alty manager for me and I've said it from day one. Yes he got us promoted and it was amazing experience but that league is bloody awful!
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Jimmy Hill on November 09, 2014, 08:46:37 PM
I know we don't know what goes on inside the dressing room, but can anyone actually imagine being inspired by a Sinnott team talk?
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: oneedham on November 09, 2014, 08:50:14 PM
It's so obvious he doesn't get them up for it! Jeeze we are going around in small circles. I keep repeating myself but the Warrington manager and performance is my comparison, I just knew we'd get battered today. We don't turn up, get rid!
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: AFC56 on November 09, 2014, 08:51:28 PM
The team performances in the cup games are a reflection of Lee dour personality. Totally passionless. Getting seriously fed up with watching this alty team.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: oneedham on November 09, 2014, 09:04:16 PM
I was so excited about the Macc performance and then spoke to my Macc fan mate after the game and he said if that's one of your best performances over recent years then you really are sh*t. I thought about it and even though it was a great performance, it was better because us fans don't get our money's worth each week out of this current team and management! Should be ashamed of some of the performances
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Nasha on November 09, 2014, 09:16:25 PM
I know people like to make Sinnott a scapegoat (understandable, he is manager), but today had nothing to do with tactics,formations etc. We lost today because the players didn't put a shift in. If you're not motivated for ANY FA Cup tie,you shouldn't be playing football. The players IMO get away lightly from flak, and for a change I think they should put hands up and apologise to Sinnott, Tolson and the fans.

For me this was worse than Trafford. There we expected to just turn up and win. Today we knew what to expect and the management will have drilled into them what they needed to do. To start off him we did was speechless.

I do expect a showing at Telford, they owe us big time for today.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: distancetraveller on November 09, 2014, 09:54:32 PM
I'm sorry but I've said this before... The guy doesn't travel on the team coach and lives on the other side of the country. Its no wonder half the fkn team can't get up for a cup match.

He should be on that coach EVERY game geeing the lads up

LS???? Not for me
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: AFC56 on November 09, 2014, 09:55:43 PM
I know people like to make Sinnott a scapegoat (understandable, he is manager), but today had nothing to do with tactics,formations etc. We lost today because the players didn't put a shift in. If you're not motivated for ANY FA Cup tie,you shouldn't be playing football. The players IMO get away lightly from flak, and for a change I think they should put hands up and apologise to Sinnott, Tolson and the fans.

For me this was worse than Trafford. There we expected to just turn up and win. Today we knew what to expect and the management will have drilled into them what they needed to do. To start off him we did was speechless.

I do expect a showing at Telford, they owe us big time for today.


I can't agree. We know from past experience that a lot of the players don't have the stomach and mental strength in cup games, so it's up to sinnott to find some that have. This crop can produce the occasional performance but when it's down to who's going to fight hardest they lose every time. They'll probably win on Tuesday, but Id have rather seen us bust a gut for the fans that travelled down in big numbers today.  
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: eightiesrobin on November 09, 2014, 09:57:39 PM
I'm sorry but I've said this before... The guy doesn't travel on the team coach and lives on the other side of the country. Its no wonder half the fkn team can't get up for a cup match.

He should be on that coach EVERY game geeing the lads up

LS???? Not for me

I did not know that.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: jockeyalty on November 09, 2014, 10:00:16 PM
Indeed. Motivation is a key factor. Part of the job of a manager is to motivate the team pre match and the captain sets the example for motivating the players pre match too. For an F A Cup tie I find it impossible to believe that any footballer would actually need motivating. Once on the pitch the manager should display positive body language at all times no matter how many things are going right or wrong. Human beings respond to encouragement . Shaun Reid set the scene for Warrington's win against Exeter. A fantastic motivational performance by the manager and backed by the gutsiest effort by his players. They put every last ounce of effort into their F A Cup tie. Sadly I don't think the same can be said for many of our team tonight. And whatever the result had been that is the one thing our loyal supporters who travel miles and spend good money deserve. The supporters need to be shown due respect.    
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: VofD on November 09, 2014, 10:12:25 PM
Indeed. Motivation is a key factor. Part of the job of a manager is to motivate the team pre match and the captain sets the example for motivating the players pre match too. For an F A Cup tie I find it impossible to believe that any footballer would actually need motivating. Once on the pitch the manager should display positive body language at all times no matter how many things are going right or wrong. Human beings respond to encouragement . Shaun Reid set the scene for Warrington's win against Exeter. A fantastic motivational performance by the manager and backed by the gutsiest effort by his players. They put every last ounce of effort into their F A Cup tie. Sadly I don't think the same can be said for many of our team tonight. And whatever the result had been that is the one thing our loyal supporters who travel miles and spend good money deserve. The supporters need to be shown due respect.    

Shaun Reid for LS anyone?
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Big van vader on November 09, 2014, 10:16:35 PM
Shaun Reid can stay well away from alty no from me
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: markecky on November 09, 2014, 11:08:48 PM
As great as it was to watch Shaun Reid and his jumping up and down and great result he should be asking why his players aren't doing that consistently in the league or in the FA trophy for him.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Jimmy on November 09, 2014, 11:32:19 PM
I'm not knocking Sinnott today he picked the right team the players were a discrace they wanted it we didn't maybe Sinnott should motivate them more but Jesus these players been around enough
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on November 10, 2014, 01:20:59 AM
Whatever the reasons, team, players or both, it isn't working on a consistent basis.

We used to go into cup games against higher league opposition actually expecting to win, now we half expect to lose against lower league opposition.

Blyth were not that good, we are a far better footballing side than them, but that's feck all use if there is no passion and hard graft. We made them look good.

Gutted.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: wayno on November 10, 2014, 07:10:01 AM
Whatever the reasons, team, players or both, it isn't working on a consistent basis.

We used to go into cup games against higher league opposition actually expecting to win, now we half expect to lose against lower league opposition.

Blyth were not that good, we are a far better footballing side than them, but that's feck all use if there is no passion and hard graft. We made them look good.

Gutted.
on the day they outclassed and out fought us 4 - 1 was only half the story they could have had 6 or 7
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: Hale Alty on November 10, 2014, 09:18:11 AM
The Blyth manager should be bollocking his players at tomorrow night's training session. If they can play like that what on earth are they doing in the lower reaches of the Evo-Stik League? The had attitiude, commitment, defensive ability and finishing, all things Altrincham lacked yesterday.

Giving away the penalty was unforgivable. Not capatilisng when we got on top after they'd settled down in the first half was unbelievable. I don't think the Blyth Spartans goalkeeper was forced into a proper save all game. Oh yes, I remember, from the free kick that he parried and no Altrincham player was quick-thinking enough to knock in the rebound. I've not read the report so I don't know why Williams went off, but that was a mistake. If Perry had to come on at all it should have been in place of Reeves.

Altrincham have no excuses. It wasn't even a hostile place to go. Nice ground, nice people, good pitch. I know what happens in FA Cup games and I know on the day anyone can beat anyone. Play well and lose I can accept. Being thoroughly dismantled in the second half by a team two divisions below I cannot.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: wayno on November 10, 2014, 09:31:32 AM
The Blyth manager should be bollocking his players at tomorrow night's training session. If they can play like that what on earth are they doing in the lower reaches of the Evo-Stik League? The had attitiude, commitment, defensive ability and finishing, all things Altrincham lacked yesterday.

Giving away the penalty was unforgivable. Not capatilisng when we got on top after they'd settled down in the first half was unbelievable. I don't think the Blyth Spartans goalkeeper was forced into a proper save all game. Oh yes, I remember, from the free kick that he parried and no Altrincham player was quick-thinking enough to knock in the rebound. I've not read the report so I don't know why Williams went off, but that was a mistake. If Perry had to come on at all it should have been in place of Reeves.

Altrincham have no excuses. It wasn't even a hostile place to go. Nice ground, nice people, good pitch. I know what happens in FA Cup games and I know on the day anyone can beat anyone. Play well and lose I can accept. Being thoroughly dismantled in the second half by a team two divisions below I cannot.
great post
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: roytonmike on November 10, 2014, 10:16:20 AM
I thought I might feel better after a night's sleep, but I don't. The management must carry the can for the formation because it was totally wrong. By all accounts the format at Lincoln had been a back four with Densmore at right-back; why on earth this was changed only Messrs. Sinnott & Tolson know. Our players are bears of comparatively little brain - if they weren't they'd be playing at a higher level. To ask them to operate two different defensive formations at short notice is unrealistic. Densmore was pushed up from the kick-off into what was effectively a midfield five, leaving a huge hole where a full-back should be. Blyth were aware of this & outflanked the back three by playing with pace and ball on ground down their left wing. The penalty was waiting to happen, & if Blyth were anything more than an NPL side in a somewhat false position they would have been out of sight in half an hour. The personnel were there, but the formation should have reverted to the back four as soon as we went one down.
Motivation is another issue. Blyth showed more desire, more passion, & thoroughly deserved their win. Motivation comes both from within & without - the blame has to be shared between management & players on this one.
Having watched the first half from the end we were defending, I have to say that Coburn risks turning indecision into an art form at times. I fear we may be reaching the end of a legendary road. The defence was betrayed by the system, but one home fan summed up the position accurately with the comment that 'if Blyth play the ball on the ground past the no. 16 (Marshall), they'll win easy'. The midfield was non-existent; Griffin did well enough from a defensive perspective in the Clee role but carries no threat going forward, & he was for me the best of a bad bunch. Moult over-hits passes with monotonous regularity; Williams ran about (literally in circles a couple of times) but with no end product; Richman is not a 'wide right midfield' player, & Densmore shouldn't have been there. Attack-wise, Reeves was barely in the game & Lawrie was frankly poor. Perry did all that could have been expected of him.
As I say, I thought a night's sleep might help - but it didn't. I fear the two games this week will yield nothing, in the aftermath of this abject non-performance. Wheeling & dealing in January is going to be vital - between now & then a lot of people (management and players) should be looking in the mirror & asking themselves a few questions. Fans spent a lot of good money yesterday & will be entitled to feel totally let down - I certainly do, & will be reviewing my plans for away trips accordingly. 
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: eightiesrobin on November 10, 2014, 10:28:48 AM
The Coburn road ended months ago IMO.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: AFC56 on November 10, 2014, 10:30:24 AM
I thought I might feel better after a night's sleep, but I don't. The management must carry the can for the formation because it was totally wrong. By all accounts the format at Lincoln had been a back four with Densmore at right-back; why on earth this was changed only Messrs. Sinnott & Tolson know. Our players are bears of comparatively little brain - if they weren't they'd be playing at a higher level. To ask them to operate two different defensive formations at short notice is unrealistic. Densmore was pushed up from the kick-off into what was effectively a midfield five, leaving a huge hole where a full-back should be. Blyth were aware of this & outflanked the back three by playing with pace and ball on ground down their left wing. The penalty was waiting to happen, & if Blyth were anything more than an NPL side in a somewhat false position they would have been out of sight in half an hour. The personnel were there, but the formation should have reverted to the back four as soon as we went one down.
Motivation is another issue. Blyth showed more desire, more passion, & thoroughly deserved their win. Motivation comes both from within & without - the blame has to be shared between management & players on this one.
Having watched the first half from the end we were defending, I have to say that Coburn risks turning indecision into an art form at times. I fear we may be reaching the end of a legendary road. The defence was betrayed by the system, but one home fan summed up the position accurately with the comment that 'if Blyth play the ball on the ground past the no. 16 (Marshall), they'll win easy'. The midfield was non-existent; Griffin did well enough from a defensive perspective in the Clee role but carries no threat going forward, & he was for me the best of a bad bunch. Moult over-hits passes with monotonous regularity; Williams ran about (literally in circles a couple of times) but with no end product; Richman is not a 'wide right midfield' player, & Densmore shouldn't have been there. Attack-wise, Reeves was barely in the game & Lawrie was frankly poor. Perry did all that could have been expected of him.
As I say, I thought a night's sleep might help - but it didn't. I fear the two games this week will yield nothing, in the aftermath of this abject non-performance. Wheeling & dealing in January is going to be vital - between now & then a lot of people (management and players) should be looking in the mirror & asking themselves a few questions. Fans spent a lot of good money yesterday & will be entitled to feel totally let down - I certainly do, & will be reviewing my plans for away trips accordingly. 

Good post, sums up yesterday well
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: GB Alty on November 10, 2014, 12:29:15 PM
I thought I might feel better after a night's sleep, but I don't. The management must carry the can for the formation because it was totally wrong. By all accounts the format at Lincoln had been a back four with Densmore at right-back; why on earth this was changed only Messrs. Sinnott & Tolson know. Our players are bears of comparatively little brain - if they weren't they'd be playing at a higher level. To ask them to operate two different defensive formations at short notice is unrealistic. Densmore was pushed up from the kick-off into what was effectively a midfield five, leaving a huge hole where a full-back should be. Blyth were aware of this & outflanked the back three by playing with pace and ball on ground down their left wing. The penalty was waiting to happen, & if Blyth were anything more than an NPL side in a somewhat false position they would have been out of sight in half an hour. The personnel were there, but the formation should have reverted to the back four as soon as we went one down.
Motivation is another issue. Blyth showed more desire, more passion, & thoroughly deserved their win. Motivation comes both from within & without - the blame has to be shared between management & players on this one.
Having watched the first half from the end we were defending, I have to say that Coburn risks turning indecision into an art form at times. I fear we may be reaching the end of a legendary road. The defence was betrayed by the system, but one home fan summed up the position accurately with the comment that 'if Blyth play the ball on the ground past the no. 16 (Marshall), they'll win easy'. The midfield was non-existent; Griffin did well enough from a defensive perspective in the Clee role but carries no threat going forward, & he was for me the best of a bad bunch. Moult over-hits passes with monotonous regularity; Williams ran about (literally in circles a couple of times) but with no end product; Richman is not a 'wide right midfield' player, & Densmore shouldn't have been there. Attack-wise, Reeves was barely in the game & Lawrie was frankly poor. Perry did all that could have been expected of him.
As I say, I thought a night's sleep might help - but it didn't. I fear the two games this week will yield nothing, in the aftermath of this abject non-performance. Wheeling & dealing in January is going to be vital - between now & then a lot of people (management and players) should be looking in the mirror & asking themselves a few questions. Fans spent a lot of good money yesterday & will be entitled to feel totally let down - I certainly do, & will be reviewing my plans for away trips accordingly. 
excellent post
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: York Alty on November 10, 2014, 12:31:38 PM
Among all the recriminations and the aftermath of that fu*king sh1te  performance I want to say well done to Blyth.
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: ManagementGuru on November 10, 2014, 01:07:58 PM
I was stood outside the ground after the final whistle and could hear the Spartans fans singing their hearts out, and I suddenly knew how the Sheffield United fans felt that wonderful evening at Moss Lane
Title: Re: How will SINNOUT defend that performance
Post by: SW on November 10, 2014, 01:31:36 PM
I was stood outside the ground after the final whistle and could hear the Spartans fans singing their hearts out, and I suddenly knew how the Sheffield United fans felt that wonderful evening at Moss Lane

That seems even longer ago than it was now MG. That spirit and determination feels like a thing of the long distant past.