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Title: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: VofD on February 01, 2016, 09:12:56 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Romeo 48 on February 01, 2016, 10:02:48 AM
Shouldn't that read Under 18's ?
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: VofD on February 01, 2016, 10:30:16 AM
Under 18s for us and under 21s for them. Massive attendance expected: NOT
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: ASMO on February 01, 2016, 11:37:30 AM
Under 18/21 attendance  ;D
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: MadFrankie on February 01, 2016, 12:01:38 PM
Given our lack of games recently, the fact that they'll be a decent team of proper players rather than cloggers, and the fact it's the only chance we've got to win anything this year, I'd prefer to see something resembling the first team.
After the shambles of the team that was put out against Northwich last season I won't hold out any hope though.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: ripleym on February 01, 2016, 02:10:51 PM
I would expect to see our loanees all play a part.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: roytonmike on February 01, 2016, 03:27:22 PM
I would expect to see our loanees all play a part.
Well, Margetts will be ineligible as he played for Tranmere against Cheadle Town in the same round of the competition; Holness & Mottley-Henry were signed up far too late to be eligible; Ginnelly might be eligible as I think he was signed up before noon on Jan 11th, which I believe was the deadline, but Burnley would have had to give specific written permission for him to play in the Senior Cup, in the same way as I understand they had to do re the FA Trophy.
I stick to what I said on another thread a while ago - it would surely be better for those who have had little or no game time of late to at least have a run out on Wednesday, so Williams should play in goal & I would consider Heathcote in defence, O'Keefe in midfield & even Reeves up front to go with Swift, Cain, Davis & Stouppis (our young 'squad numbers'), making the rest up from youth/reserve sources. It won't happen, of course, but ...
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: ripleym on February 01, 2016, 04:00:39 PM
Yes, well that certainly puts a different perspective on things!
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 02, 2016, 10:37:02 PM
"With Crewe announcing the game as an under 21 fixture, Altrincham also expect to field a youthful side. Giving younger members of the first team squad valuable game time and also casting an eye over some of our reserve and youth set up"

Good, young lads get a decent run out and the first team can focus on Saturday


Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Romeo 48 on February 02, 2016, 11:26:25 PM
So.....can WE decide to make a CSC match U21 against lower grade opposition without upsetting the Cheshire FA ?
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: OldhamAlty on February 03, 2016, 10:32:39 AM
"Clubs must be represented by their strongest available team. Youth teams are not acceptable in this
competition. Any Clubs failing to comply with this rule shall be fined not less than 500.00"

Right there in the CSC rules http://www.cheshirefa.com/~/media/countysites/cheshirefa/documents/cups/2015-16/senior-cup/senior-cup-competition-rules-2015-16.ashx

But doubt they'll try to enforce it. Crewe may well open the floodgates.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: B. 4D on February 03, 2016, 11:04:04 AM
"Clubs must be represented by their strongest available team. Youth teams are not acceptable in this
competition. Any Clubs failing to comply with this rule shall be fined not less than 500.00"

Right there in the CSC rules http://www.cheshirefa.com/~/media/countysites/cheshirefa/documents/cups/2015-16/senior-cup/senior-cup-competition-rules-2015-16.ashx

But doubt they'll try to enforce it. Crewe may well open the floodgates.

I was told that rule had changed.
But I might be wrong.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Romeo 48 on February 03, 2016, 01:05:49 PM
"Clubs must be represented by their strongest available team. Youth teams are not acceptable in this
competition. Any Clubs failing to comply with this rule shall be fined not less than 500.00"

Right there in the CSC rules http://www.cheshirefa.com/~/media/countysites/cheshirefa/documents/cups/2015-16/senior-cup/senior-cup-competition-rules-2015-16.ashx

But doubt they'll try to enforce it. Crewe may well open the floodgates.
So Billy Big Bollocks can do whatever they want.....the rest of us tug our forelocks. As opposed to the Cheshire FA who have a proven propensity for tugging their foreskins.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: robininstockport on February 03, 2016, 02:42:45 PM
Is anyone going?
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 03, 2016, 02:47:55 PM
Keeping my powder dry for welling
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: ShropshireAlty on February 03, 2016, 02:59:51 PM
Im going. I hope I'm not the only one there :o
Is anyone going?
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 03, 2016, 03:54:45 PM
"Clubs must be represented by their strongest available team. Youth teams are not acceptable in this
competition. Any Clubs failing to comply with this rule shall be fined not less than 500.00"
To
Right there in the CSC rules http://www.cheshirefa.com/~/media/countysites/cheshirefa/documents/cups/2015-16/senior-cup/senior-cup-competition-rules-2015-16.ashx

But doubt they'll try to enforce it. Crewe may well open the floodgates.
So Billy Big Bollocks can do whatever they want.....the rest of us tug our forelocks. As opposed to the Cheshire FA who have a proven propensity for tugging their foreskins.
to be fair we also play a weak side in the tournament
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Hale Alty on February 03, 2016, 04:27:49 PM
The year we beat them in the final at Witton it was against their reserves, so maybe its how you define strongest team. Maybe it was all their best reserves, and is under 21 a convenient way of dodging the term youth team?
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: roytonmike on February 03, 2016, 05:15:07 PM
FL clubs have traditionally fielded a reserve team in the Senior Cup. Anyone below FL level used to be expected to field a first team. Now that Crewe are the only FL member club in the Cheshire FA it would be interesting to know how Tranmere's selection v Cheadle (very much 'An XI') or Macc's at Cammell Laird was viewed by the Cheshire FA. (Chester seem to have fielded a strong enough team to win their 1st Round game by a street.) My fear is that there's one rule for ex-FL clubs & another for the rest of us, which would be a travesty. The right way for the Cheshire FA to behave would be to treat any club involved in a national or regional league (i.e. down to & including Conf North) in the way they used to treat FL clubs - i.e. reserve strength sides acceptable - but they won't, of course ...
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Hale Alty on February 03, 2016, 05:58:11 PM
Altrincham fielded a team against Northwich at Flixton last season that was mainly made up or reserve team players.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: roytonmike on February 03, 2016, 06:03:46 PM
Altrincham fielded a team against Northwich at Flixton last season that was mainly made up or reserve team players.
... and presumably paid a fine. My point is that for any club in the FL, Conf Nat or Conf North to field such a team in the CSC should be acceptable to the Cheshire FA; my suspicion is that they differentiate between ex-FL clubs & the rest, which if true would be totally wrong.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Ballers on February 03, 2016, 07:15:36 PM
To be honest, the FL sides shouldn't be in it. It went downhill from that point.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on February 03, 2016, 07:25:38 PM
 Tonight's Alty XI: Williams, Brown, Westall, Taylor, Dibble, Clarke, Saville, Berry, Swift, Davis, Cain.


Tonight's Alty Subs: Faux, Foster, Newton, Melingui, D.Havern.


Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on February 03, 2016, 07:29:58 PM

Tolson in charge.....




(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaUDlcdWcAI631Y.jpg)
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Romeo 48 on February 03, 2016, 08:13:55 PM
23 mins losing 2-0
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: MadFrankie on February 03, 2016, 09:33:36 PM
6-0 down
A beating like that is going to do wonders for those lads.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: VofD on February 03, 2016, 09:52:18 PM
6-0 down
A beating like that is going to do wonders for those lads.
Child cruelty or what. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: GB Alty on February 03, 2016, 10:21:47 PM
Low point for the club?

How can we treat such a long standing competition so poorly?

As for the qualities of our reserve team, what really is the point? And what have they learnt tonight?
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: robininstockport on February 03, 2016, 10:33:34 PM

As for the qualities of our reserve team, what really is the point? And what have they learnt tonight?

That they're not as good as full time Crewe's under 21's
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 03, 2016, 10:38:35 PM
With the first team having such little game time pehaps they could've had a slightly stronger side,I take it the side was the youth and not the rather pointless reserve side
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: im not really here on February 03, 2016, 10:38:44 PM
The manager did exactly the right thing tonight, it wasn't about winning the CSC or about boosting our reserve players but about giving us the best chance of staying in the Conference.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: GB Alty on February 03, 2016, 10:46:07 PM

As for the qualities of our reserve team, what really is the point? And what have they learnt tonight?

That they're not as good as full time Crewe's under 21's
yeah that is obvious, and by six goals as well, what was the raison de'tre of the reserve team?

What have the young lads learnt tonight? It could only have damaged them. The CSC is an open age competition, as a club we should be protecting young players instead of just throwing them to the wolves to fufill a fixture

Disgusted for a second year on a row
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 03, 2016, 10:49:25 PM
The manager did exactly the right thing tonight, it wasn't about winning the CSC or about boosting our reserve players but about giving us the best chance of staying in the Conference.
i see your point but might some of the first team be ring rusty
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: im not really here on February 03, 2016, 10:58:32 PM
I see your point but, we will have 2 good trading sessions this week and hopefully LS had Welling watched at Halifax on Saturday and with a young squad we should be fit and raring to go.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: im not really here on February 03, 2016, 11:01:38 PM
Also Welling had an away game last night, so we have no excuses not to perform on Saturday
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: GolfRoader on February 04, 2016, 12:09:23 AM
Low point for the club?

How can we treat such a long standing competition so poorly?

As for the qualities of our reserve team, what really is the point? And what have they learnt tonight?

 ;D
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Mallorca Alty on February 04, 2016, 07:46:15 AM
The year we beat them in the final at Witton it was against their reserves, so maybe its how you define strongest team. Maybe it was all their best reserves, and is under 21 a convenient way of dodging the term youth team?
The Crewe side we beat in a 2005 was quite a strong reserve side that contained Steve Jones, Michael Higdon, Justin Cochrane and I think Nicky Maynard was a substitute who had featured quite regularly for Crewe's 1st team. Though Cavell Coo was right back.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Mallorca Alty on February 04, 2016, 07:58:38 AM
It's disappointing that Alty don't take this competition semi-seriously any more. While this competition can get in the way of the more important League campaign. It is always nice to win a trophy. The previous Cheshire Senior Cup Finals involving Alty have been good days out. Especially the 2005 Final.
 I don't think getting stuffed 6 nil has done us any favours.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: GB Alty on February 04, 2016, 09:38:22 AM
"Clubs must be represented by their strongest available team. Youth teams are not acceptable in this
competition. Any Clubs failing to comply with this rule shall be fined not less than 500.00"

Right there in the CSC rules http://www.cheshirefa.com/~/media/countysites/cheshirefa/documents/cups/2015-16/senior-cup/senior-cup-competition-rules-2015-16.ashx

But doubt they'll try to enforce it. Crewe may well open the floodgates.
I take it any fine incured last night will be paid directly by the managment team personally (or docked from their wages), and not taken from the playing budget
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: distancetraveller on February 04, 2016, 10:29:35 AM
If a strong team has been selected tonight then the same players didn't perform at Welling then I fancy people would be on here Sat night lambasting the club for not playing a weaker team in the CSC.

The CSC is what it is. Love it or loathe it it wont go away.

Those young lads will have loved having the chance to play last night. OK they took a beating but they will all get over it and in the long term it will dust themselves down and it will hopefully make them stronger and more determined.

Learning to lose is as important as celebrating a win.

Last night has gone, now our concentration and effort should be focussed on our Welling fixture in just over 48 hours..
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Toff Apple on February 04, 2016, 10:29:51 AM
"Clubs must be represented by their strongest available team. Youth teams are not acceptable in this
competition. Any Clubs failing to comply with this rule shall be fined not less than 500.00"

Right there in the CSC rules http://www.cheshirefa.com/~/media/countysites/cheshirefa/documents/cups/2015-16/senior-cup/senior-cup-competition-rules-2015-16.ashx

But doubt they'll try to enforce it. Crewe may well open the floodgates.
I take it any fine incured last night will be paid directly by the managment team personally (or docked from their wages), and not taken from the playing budget

Don't be silly, you would be the first to raise concerns had a 1st teamer been injured last night, pointless competition should be preseason
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: dopamine on February 04, 2016, 10:39:45 AM
yeah that is obvious, and by six goals as well, what was the raison de'tre of the reserve team?

What have the young lads learnt tonight? It could only have damaged them. The CSC is an open age competition, as a club we should be protecting young players instead of just throwing them to the wolves to fufill a fixture

Disgusted for a second year on a row

As someone who has been "thrown to the wolves", so to speak, several times over the course of my (admittedly limited!) footballing career, they have been the times I've learnt the most and which have led to step increases in my game - whether that's been a tournament in Denmark where all other sides but us were academies (representatives from UK - Norwich City and Wilmslow Pumas! Our best result - a 6-1 defeat), a 9-0 drubbing by Oldham U16s or even training with Alty's youth team (not the wolves in any shape or form, but certainly a massive step up from any team I'd been involved in on a consistent basis).

The only time it damaged was the one time when the manager criticised in a frustrated manner rather than building me up. With a manager fully behind, encouraging, giving pointers, giving the space to learn, the benefits of facing players of a much higher calibre can be invaluable. With Lee Sinnott's record with players, I fully trust that he's done that.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 04, 2016, 11:16:53 AM
"Clubs must be represented by their strongest available team. Youth teams are not acceptable in this
competition. Any Clubs failing to comply with this rule shall be fined not less than 500.00"

Right there in the CSC rules http://www.cheshirefa.com/~/media/countysites/cheshirefa/documents/cups/2015-16/senior-cup/senior-cup-competition-rules-2015-16.ashx

But doubt they'll try to enforce it. Crewe may well open the floodgates.
I take it any fine incured last night will be paid directly by the managment team personally (or docked from their wages), and not taken from the playing budget
why should it when it is obviously a club policy not to take the tournament seriously
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: GolfRoader on February 04, 2016, 11:32:32 AM
"Clubs must be represented by their strongest available team. Youth teams are not acceptable in this
competition. Any Clubs failing to comply with this rule shall be fined not less than 500.00"

Right there in the CSC rules http://www.cheshirefa.com/~/media/countysites/cheshirefa/documents/cups/2015-16/senior-cup/senior-cup-competition-rules-2015-16.ashx

But doubt they'll try to enforce it. Crewe may well open the floodgates.
I take it any fine incured last night will be paid directly by the managment team personally (or docked from their wages), and not taken from the playing budget

 ;D
 
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Hash on February 04, 2016, 04:03:25 PM
"Clubs must be represented by their strongest available team. Youth teams are not acceptable in this
competition. Any Clubs failing to comply with this rule shall be fined not less than 500.00"

Right there in the CSC rules http://www.cheshirefa.com/~/media/countysites/cheshirefa/documents/cups/2015-16/senior-cup/senior-cup-competition-rules-2015-16.ashx

But doubt they'll try to enforce it. Crewe may well open the floodgates.
I take it any fine incured last night will be paid directly by the managment team personally (or docked from their wages), and not taken from the playing budget

epic trolling

 ;D
 

seriously epic trolling my friend
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on February 04, 2016, 04:30:10 PM

In next season's Cheshire Senior Cup, we should field our Walking Football team instead, managed by Neil Tolson.

Mind you, John Laidlar might encounter problems when attempting to post match updates whilst simultaneously playing.....


(http://www.jlaidlar.webspace.virginmedia.com/160124walkingW350.jpg)

"Altrincham FC recently started a walking football session in the Community Sports Hall and, after just a handful of sessions, optimistically entered themselves into the FA People's Cup competition for thier first taste of compettive football. Given the lack of practice, the absence of several more players from the squad and the fact that they had never played the outdoor version of the game before, expectations were not too high. And so it proved as the team lost all three of its group-stage matches to more experienced teams.

But with this experience behind them, the team is aiming for big improvements during 2016!"
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Romeo 48 on February 04, 2016, 08:35:27 PM
I still fondly recall Alan Marks (front left) flattening a defender playing for Independent Insurance against Bechers about 35 years ago. Said defender's rather fearsome looking missus shouted "Watch that dirty grey-haired old bastard ref !"

Al came off at half time and said to me "I don't mind dirty, grey-haired, or even bastard - but I object to old !"
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: wayno on February 04, 2016, 10:42:41 PM

In next season's Cheshire Senior Cup, we should field our Walking Football team instead, managed by Neil Tolson.

Mind you, John Laidlar might encounter problems when attempting to post match updates whilst simultaneously playing.....


(http://www.jlaidlar.webspace.virginmedia.com/160124walkingW350.jpg)

"Altrincham FC recently started a walking football session in the Community Sports Hall and, after just a handful of sessions, optimistically entered themselves into the FA People's Cup competition for thier first taste of compettive football. Given the lack of practice, the absence of several more players from the squad and the fact that they had never played the outdoor version of the game before, expectations were not too high. And so it proved as the team lost all three of its group-stage matches to more experienced teams.

But with this experience behind them, the team is aiming for big improvements during 2016!"

when was training for this?  Is this another closed Pool thing of who you know ?
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Romeo 48 on February 04, 2016, 10:54:47 PM
Advertised on the club site. I fancied a go but can't do 9am on Wednesdays. Get yourself down there if you fancy it.
Title: Re: Crewe Alexandra Under-21s match thread
Post by: Mick on February 04, 2016, 11:50:02 PM
 Is there a minimum age to join the team and does the ref check bus passes before kick off (when I did Youth footy several years ago ref checked the lads I D cards to make sure they were not over age) 

Just joking - good luck to the team in the future