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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: robininstockport on August 13, 2017, 02:35:07 PM
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Bigger game than what is was 24 hours ago.
Thompson
Densmore. Harrison Hanigann Short
Johnson Taylor Richman Hancock
Peers Poole
Not too confident but Poole is a massive boost.
Looks we're zonal marking (as is the current trend) at corners, that a lone fills me with dread.
Cowardly as it is I'd take a draw
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he wont drop moult
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I think Deasy and Moult will get another chance, Taylor to start and Poole to play behind Peers , Sheridan , Richman and Hulme on the bench.
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I think he'll stick with Deasy,Moult and Sheridan with Richman and Hulme making way for Peers and Poole. Not my preference,just what I think will happen.
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I think Deasy and Moult will get another chance, Taylor to start and Poole to play behind Peers , Sheridan , Richman and Hulme on the bench.
This. I also think Disney will start (if fit).
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I think Deasy and Moult will get another chance, Taylor to start and Poole to play behind Peers , Sheridan , Richman and Hulme on the bench.
This. I also think Disney will start (if fit).
agree Densmore wasnt one of the poorer performers yesterday but I think he will go with Disney if fit, Hancock didn't do much but apparently he's highly rated , regarding Hulme he did well as a striker in a team that made the play off last season in the league above so possibly just needs his confidence back
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I think Deasy and Moult will get another chance, Taylor to start and Poole to play behind Peers , Sheridan , Richman and Hulme on the bench.
This. I also think Disney will start (if fit).
agree Densmore wasnt one of the poorer performers yesterdday but I think he will go with Disney if fit, Hancock didnt do much but apparently he's highyl rated , regarding Hulme he did well as a striker in a team that made the play off last season in the league above so possibly just needs his confidence back
Says a lot if we've sucked the confidence out of him.
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Another 90 mins of watching moult give the ball away while Taylor watches from the bench..
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---------------------Deasey
Disney----Harrison---Hannigan---Short
Johnstone---Taylor---Sheridan----Hancock
------------------Poole-----Hulme
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Would like to think with a couple of changes we can beat Nantwich tomorrow.
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---------------------Deasey
Disney----Harrison---Hannigan---Short
Johnstone---Taylor---Sheridan----Hancock
------------------Poole-----Hulme
Replace Hulme with Peers and that would be my preferred starting 11
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---------------------Deasey
Disney----Harrison---Hannigan---Short
Johnstone---Taylor---Sheridan----Hancock
------------------Poole-----Hulme
I take it the other keeper isn't up to much then?
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Has that Jones gone?...coz I wouldn't have hanigan...cant understand anyone who watches him saying what a class player he is??? another free headed goal from just like at Trafford from his side of the defence on Saturday.....he's worth a goal against per game I reckon....
I'd go
Thompson
Disney Harrison jones (or lynch) short
Taylor
Sheridan
Johnson
Peers
Poole
Hancock
I'm guessing by what I've seen that Hulme must have been a passenger in a good side last season?...I've seen most of the friendlies and im still not sure what he looks like....such has been his input...
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I doubt whether Salford will take Jones on as they have as many contracted centre halves as us. I guess therefore that he is still a free agent. The Jones Harrison partnership looked the most healthy to me preseason and I'd love him back, but doubt it will happen. Hannigan is a class defender mate, but all our defenders were horribly exposed by the complete absence of a midfield on Saturday.
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how does a poor midfield affect you leaving a striker unmarked for a free header on goal two weeks running??????
Taylor was an absolute star in pre season...we were sh*te at Bradford till he came on....he must have felt like damian felt last year watching from the bench as moult richman and Sheridan get outnumbered and outrun by Stafford.....
I'm wondering if we've been taken in and a little boy will suddenly point out the emperor is naked......signs were there when we heard he wanted a look at mwsaille......
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how does a poor midfield affect you leaving a striker unmarked for a free header on goal two weeks running??????
Taylor was an absolute star in pre season...we were sh*te at Bradford till he came on....he must have felt like damian felt last year watching from the bench as moult richman and Sheridan get outnumbered and outrun by Stafford.....
I'm wondering if we've been taken in and a little boy will suddenly point out the emperor is naked......signs were there when we heard he wanted a look at mwsaille......
Even by Alty standards one competitive game is probably a bit early for the last paragraph. We are a bit better than that surely.
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I think what I am trying to say, is that a lot of pressure was put on the two centre backs owing to the lack of protection offered by Moult and Sheridan. You make a good point about the marking though. I honestly believe that the defence is okay and that things will improve dramatically with Taylor and Poole in the team. I'm completely bewildered by Taylor's omission on Saturday and I don't believe PP will do it again. I'll cry if Sheridan plays and is allowed to take corners. I thought we had statistician on the board now. Surely he'll have made a note of how many times Sheridan found the head of the first Stafford man from every set piece.
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how does a poor midfield affect you leaving a striker unmarked for a free header on goal two weeks running??????
Taylor was an absolute star in pre season...we were sh*te at Bradford till he came on....he must have felt like damian felt last year watching from the bench as moult richman and Sheridan get outnumbered and outrun by Stafford.....
I'm wondering if we've been taken in and a little boy will suddenly point out the emperor is naked......signs were there when we heard he wanted a look at mwsaille......
Pretty sure both headers you are referring to have been scored by opposition midfielders, but agree that Taylor is a must starter moving forward.
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how does a poor midfield affect you leaving a striker unmarked for a free header on goal two weeks running??????
Taylor was an absolute star in pre season...we were sh*te at Bradford till he came on....he must have felt like damian felt last year watching from the bench as moult richman and Sheridan get outnumbered and outrun by Stafford.....
I'm wondering if we've been taken in and a little boy will suddenly point out the emperor is naked......signs were there when we heard he wanted a look at mwsaille......
Are you Taylor's agent? He was good in pre season but an absolute star? As I said at the time,we brought several subs on at BPA that changed the game. Putting Taylor in the side will not suddenly make us a different team.
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We'd stop giving the ball to the opposition with a clear run to goal.......and obviously I'm not his agent ffs lets debate sensibly....
The standouts in pre season were poole, taylor and to a lesser extent jj (and it was clear he is going to be a very frustrating player, exciting and brilliant one minute and utter crap the next).....short identified as a decent left back as well....and Jerome looked quality...
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I'm new to the club but I can't see any reasoning at all to keeping Sheridan in the side after Saturday. And if Moult must play then perhaps alongside Harrison at CB, but i'm not completely convinced. That said, it might be the time to switch things up a bit so no-one rests on their laurels early on. Would like to see:
---------------------- Thompson
Densmore --- Harrison --- Moult --- Short
Johnjohn ---- Richman --- Taylor -- Hancock
------------------ Poole ----- Peers
Thompson just to have a look at him, not because we know he's better than Deasy. Would like to see Peers play a half alongside Poole, then Hulme play a half, unless Peers is killing it. Also be keen to see how a Richman/Taylor CM would protect the back line, but mainly create a bit more through the centre, especially with two up top, as there was bugger all of that at the weekend. Shifting it wide every time then running into a dead end gets pretty tired pretty quickly. Would also like to see Harrop get 45 mins on the left, which will likely be unpopular, but I reckon he has more to offer than what we saw on Saturday.
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Good luck for tonight lads
Up the reds
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Indeed. Would be great to get as many down to Nantwich as possible, to show PP what the Alty support is really all about.
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Do the police not have a say in the matter?
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Do the police not have a say in the matter?
I think they've bigger fish to fry than telling us how many we can take to Nantwich 😁
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Nantwich 5/4
Draw 11/4
Alty 6/4
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Do the police not have a say in the matter?
I think they've bigger fish to fry than telling us how many we can take to Nantwich 😁
Good spot.
I've asked the question on the right thread!
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Bigger game than what is was 24 hours ago.
Thompson
Densmore. Harrison Hanigann Short
Johnson Taylor Richman Hancock
Peers Poole
Not too confident but Poole is a massive boost.
Looks we're zonal marking (as is the current trend) at corners, that a lone fills me with dread.
Cowardly as it is I'd take a draw
Agreed team.
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Indeed. Would be great to get as many down to Nantwich as possible, to show PP what the Alty support is really all about.
Absolutely this and it will happen. I think this is probably the worst fixture we can have though, a fired up team of the people he left behind.
Our players are better than their players though. They just have to show it, keep going if we go one down and fans will have to hold their nerve.
Come on Alty, let's get the season started with an undeserved 1-0 with a Clayton McDonald own goal after they have looked like Real Madrid.
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Good Luck to PP And the lads at Nantwich.
C O Y R.
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Eggs! Sod the Premier League, this is ace! :D
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Nothing serious. They were only thrown for a YOLK.
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Glad to hear we didn't make a meal of it.
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Jesus wept. Need Taylor on for Hulme now and play 441 to have any chance.
Disney sounds like he's struggling a bit against Clayton - anyone watching think he's an upgrade on Densmore?
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Just left work
Cannot bear to listen anymore
Hannigan eh......great Alty career so far >:(
I will be at Matlock - we could be at the bottom by then
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What have we fans done to deserve this
:'( :'(
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Hanegan has been outstanding.
Will people stop calling him a class act and recognise him for the liability he is...tear his contract up now.
Looking forward to jj running down another dozen blind alleys...how come parkinson didnt bring their keeper and their winger whi can beat a man and cross a ball...
Cant watch this sub standard of football much longer..
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Hannigan really has done nothing for us. I'm beginning to think it was his lost twin or something, how someone so rated at Fylde has been just so bad (or more often injured) for us is mystifying. Rest of the league will be laughing at us tonight.
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Dint think pp realised hanigan books the last two weeks in august off every year..
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Their keeper has made some decent stops.
JJ is found out after 10 mins - game over then- that's it
Hannigan - for gods sake
Moult and Richman a lot better
Nantwich are a tidy outfit and for the second game running we look powder puff
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Don't want to hear a peep out of 'Parky' after this.
Edit: Should have waited until full time perhaps!
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It's a start at least, will take that after being down to 10 men so long.
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That's a great point given the amount of time played with 10 men . Well done
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Just left work
Cannot bear to listen anymore
Hannigan eh......great Alty career so far >:(
I will be at Matlock - we could be at the bottom by then
Sounds like we battled - so well done
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Sounded like they put in a good shift in coping with 10 men. Harrison and Short seemed to have played well. Player ratings from travelling fans appreciated!
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Yes, credit due. A battling away point not to be sniffed at, sounds like our work rate and desire was spot on.
Sounds like Peers and Taylor need to start on Saturday. We need a win at Matlock and that can salvage the first week.
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Couldn't attend but fair play to the lads for salvaging a point with 10 men. I think Hannigan could be good for us but he really doesn't help himself. Can't comment on the game but I would like to see Richman and Taylor give an opportunity as our centre mid with Peers up top. I hope he isn't a stubborn manager like Sinnott and stick with players who are under performing and I certainly hope that he doesn't try and protect Taylor because of his age which would be a load of crap.
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credit to Parkinson for taking off moult and going 3-3-3
cant believe the standard of football we are forced to endure and that we are relieved to escape Nantwich with a point.
we are going to struggle against organised teams...we looked good for 20 mins and they scored from a cross..hanigan nowhere, keeper nowhere...then hanigan books his holiday like he did last year and we looked doomed....huffed and puffed Johnson continually running down blind alleys and Hulme looking like parky stopped someone outside the ground and asked if he fancied a game.....
Get Jones back and play taylor from the start and make poole skipper and find a keeper...funny how every other side in the league seems to have a keeper who comes for crosses and and distributes the ball.......
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I'm sure we don't go to the same games. I saw us have at least 10 decent chances in the first 30 minutes and their keeper had to make a save from several of them. It was one way traffic. Then I went to the loo so I missed their goal. Even when we were down to 10 men it was still pretty even. They passed the ball around but failed to find any openings. We on the other hand tried to create something from every opportunity. It paid off in the end.
Don't know why they were complaining about the penalty. It was clear cut. We deserved a point and but for the sending off could easily have overrun them.
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Superb effort from the majority.
Massive amount of luck for their goal as it spun off the players boot.
Hanigann should do the honourable thing and just walk away. Getting Jones back is a priority and getting a goal scorer in.
Much more confident in Thompson than Deasy. Short misplaced a couple of passes for the first time I've seen. And I'm sorry to burst the Taylor bubble but aside from a superb forward ball he was poor. Hulme was much improved and looked more like the player I thought we'd signed.
Biggest credit goes to PP for having the balls to go 3-3-3.
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Just back from Nantwich. We played some nice stuff but again didn't score while we were on top and ended up going one down! IMO Disney looks no better than Densmore and looks fairly unfit,agree with the above post re Taylor but not Hulme who I thought was distinctly average again. JJ runs down a lot of blind alleys but when he does get the ball in the box there's no one there! We need a keeper,left winger and a striker to be challenging for the play offs.
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Thought it was good battling performance and deserved draw. Goal completely against run of play and silly red for Hannigan and suddenly it was all uphill. Thought Taylor made a big difference when he came on, and key moment was when JJ switched wings - he was largely in the pocket of a good quick left back, but looked world beater on the other flank, winning and scoring deserved pen. Hancock sacrificed after red card, everyone else played ok or well. Back three very good second half too and keeper was fine, though too many kicks into touch.
It rarely felt like ten vs eleven, and the manager is already a point ahead of where he was last season when he lost first three before finishing strongly so...
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Agree with the above regarding Taylor. Understand he is young and has a lot to learn but for me he is not good enough at present. Seems to not do much but run about chasing players not getting much possession of the ball. Also not physical enough and backs out of 50/50 balls.
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Battled well. Finally JJ cut in and ran into the box, boom penalty. Can't really complain getting a point away from home having played 3/4 of the game with 10 men. We need to score when on top, as has been the case both games in opening 10/15 mins.
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Battling point, their defence was in a state of panic the last 10-15 mins and were there for the taking. Poole showed his class tonight, and I thought that Peers made a big difference when he was given his chance. I'd like to see him picked ahead of Hulme at Matlock, he has pace and no shortage of skill...attributes we have yet to see from Hulme.
Thompson's distribution was very erratic, couple of great balls... then about 4 just pulled way right into the crowd when he hits it first time. But, he is very vocal and seems a good organiser of the defence.
JJ runs into blind alleys at times...running right across the pitch a couple of times then cutting back as he has no left foot, soon sussed out by a decent full back, such as the guy for Stafford. However, he keeps going and does have a presence...Thompson gave him pelters first half for not closing the full back down and letting them play out.
Good support tonight, let's hope it's the start of something better.
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New to the site as only move from Scotland recently but have been to all home games so far this season and tonight was my first away game. I'm abit confused at what game some of you watch at times, this is a project that will soon come good. PP wears his heart on his sleeve that is clear to see he should be given time and alow this squad to bed in let us not be to rush to to make opions.
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Just got back. Thought our fans were a credit, responding very well to what was a bitterly disappointing Saturday for all - turned out in numbers (at least 150) and proper got behind them. Good stuff. Ben Harrison MOTM. Best player on the pitch tonight. Comfortable, assured, strong. Didn't put a foot wrong as far as I can remember. A real Greg Young type.
Battling to get back in to the game with ten men for an hour, and actually pulling off, could be the catalyst for bigger and better things going forward. They were kecking it at the back towards the end. You wouldn't have had a clue who were a man down unless you counted the players.
That being said, when we're on top we need to start creating. So frustrating seeing us get into the right positions and not take it to the final phase. It'll come, hopefully.
Can't believe 1. How massive McDonald still is after a full pre season, 2. How he's got a gig with them as a striker, 3. He nearly scored, twice
On to Matlock.
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Thought the game passed young Taylor by tonight ... would like to see him start a game though.. this too young too lightweight stuff doesn't wash with me. He's good enough to play at this level. Hannigan wants to sort himself out, came with a good reputation but doesn't deliver for one reason or another. Good point deserved especially after Moult was subbed and a formation change.
Glad to see there keeper get to his feet after a nasty clash with Lynch
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Sorry to disagree about Hulme. I still can't see what he brings to the table. I'm not sure he even knows where the table is.
Thompson may not be the answer in goal, but I'd have him ahead of Deasy every time.
Unfair to blame Hannigan for the goal....it was Harrison who spoiled an otherwise impressive performance by letting his man get wrong side of him. And fair do's to their winger, it was a peach of a cross.
Hannigan puzzles me. He's a class act and his record speaks for itself, yet he does criminally stupid tricks and leaves 10 men to battle on.
Taylor wasn't at his best when he came on, but it's essential to give him regular game time. He's got a lot of potential.
Hancock was ineffective tonight.....and I'm baffled as to how PP could prefer him to Jerome Wright.
Finally JJ. Yes he ran into a lot of blind alleys, but most times he'd got nobody to lay the ball off to (Hulme's ability to find space is non-existent). But he kept plugging away and eventually got his reward. He'll do for me.
Skipping Matlock....will be at the Whitby game.
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I thought we were better than Nantwich even with 10 men. Richman and Harrison were fabulous tonight. When Peers came on there was actually someone who could run on to Hulme's numerous flick ons. Christ, if Miller were fit, we'd walk this league!!!
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Just back home. With the background to the game I had this as a draw at best when the fixtures came out, I'll certainly take it with ten men.
Word on JJ, yes he struggled at times but he never gave up and the speed at which he got into the box for the pen was electric, they had no choice but to bring him down.
Harrison was really good, Poole an absolute class above with his touch and technique, only a very good save stopped him scoring a superb free kick and I thought Richman did pretty well tonight and was everywhere. Felt more confident with Thompson in net.
I also felt we created more than Saturday and were very unlucky to be 1-0 down to what looked like a striker flicking out a leg and it going right in the bottom corner again.
We never gave up which was a positive as well.
Results will come soon I'm sure of it but Peers must start on Saturday.
First class support tonight, acknowledged by the manager and all the players.
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Brilliant performance from the fans tonight - must have helped the players lift themselves. A good shift second half by the 10 men. I think they showed good self belief and unlike Saturday their heads didn't drop. I can see it coming together but not there yet. Mightily relieved!
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Great to read that the travelling fans saw a lot of positives, certainly sounded that way on RR. Has to be Poole and Peers up top for while now til Amis or Miller are back. I know Amis is out for 6 weeks but does anyone know how long til we can expect Miller back?
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New to the site as only move from Scotland recently but have been to all home games so far this season and tonight was my first away game. I'm abit confused at what game some of you watch at times, this is a project that will soon come good. PP wears his heart on his sleeve that is clear to see he should be given time and alow this squad to bed in let us not be to rush to to make opions.
I frequently get confused at what I've been watching over the last 2 years as well
Totally agree on Phil . We can't under any circumstances have another manager come in this season we need stability
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I thought we completely dominated the overall play and as said earlier Harrison is superb. I also think Thompson is a decent keeper at this level. All that is missing for me is a striker (probably amis) who can get on the end of all these chances, peers was put through on goal once he had come on and didnt take his chance. A striker and I do believe we could be great, without one as my co-commentator said I'm not sure where the goals are coming from
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I thought we completely dominated the overall play and as said earlier Harrison is superb. I also think Thompson is a decent keeper at this level. All that is missing for me is a striker (probably amis) who can get on the end of all these chances, peers was put through on goal once he had come on and didnt take his chance. A striker and I do believe we could be great, without one as my co-commentator said I'm not sure where the goals are coming from
In fairness, that was a fantastic tackle.
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You beat me to it Hashtag! It was a superb tackle by the defender.
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The positive is that it was a good battling performance to get a deserved point with 10 men, and we do have a point on the board, even if we are behind where we were last season.
Negatives are that Hannigan, for all his talents, once again goes missing, and games seem to be falling into a pattern. We dominate play, then somehow go behind, and have nobody to put the ball in the net. Amis' sickness is very unfortunate, and it's certainly worth persevering with Peers, who is a young player, but Hulme has frankly been disappointing. Omotola must be worth a go, if he is fit, but we may have to consider the loan market, if finances permit, until injured and ill strikers return.
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First and foremost, very glad to see their keeper get up from what was a nasty clash of heads. 50/50 ball that both were brave enough to go for wholeheartedly. Superb work by Simon richman to get him into the recovery position when we pointed out he was at risk of swallowing his tongue due to being out cold. Hope the lad is back playing soon.
Personally I thought Hulme did ok, and ok at best. I think after reports from Saturday I was expecting no effort and awful play. He lacked no effort and won some good flick-one, my issue was that he was isolated and we had no support for him.
Taylor looked ok when he came on, nothing special, but he needs to start games to learn his position fully, not bring him on to change a game with 15/20 minutes left, he hasn't the experience to do that.
Poole looks like someone who has no confidence in the players about him. Feels the need to do it all himself.
JJ never gave up, constant runner going forwards. Need the same going backwards and needs to be a little more refined on what he tries to do. Good signs, but can see him being frustrating to watch.
Hannigan. Get rid. The man is a joke. Has he ever completed 90 minutes for us? Is he allergic to finishing games of football?Hes always injured or suspended. 2 ridiculous decisions that led to two yellow cards. No arguments. Fine him and tell him he needs to find himself another club. At our level suspensions don't kick in for about 3 weeks, but don't let him play. Put Lynch at CB and let him form a partnership with Harrison who looked superb.
My thoughts were JJ/Disney were at fault for the goal for letting the winger have too much space and not getting back or closing down properly. The "shot" could have gone anywhere and just nestled inside the post.
Short looked solid, Hancock looked ok but not enough time to evaluate him properly. I felt better about our keeping yesterday than the back end of last season, even if his distribution isn't the greatest.
We should have won that, even with 10. Their keepers only wanted to punch and we didn't pressure them anywhere near enough or have people looking for the second ball. We created a lot but didn't have someone to suck the ball in the net. I'd like to see Peers start on Saturday.
A good battling performance with 100% commitment from 10 of the 11 starters.
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I haven't been to either game so far, but appears the manager has made his first two errors (Jones and Wright) when trimming the squad - which we all admitted was going to be a difficult task.
The problem with pre-season is everyone plays out of their skin for contracts - I suspect we'll have one or two lame ducks appearing amongst our ranks fairly soonish.
I really want to believe in Hannigan (and latterly Hulme) going on their reputations. I wouldn't do anything rash with them (except drop Hannigan) and I'm hoping Hulme will play himself into consistency.
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Why did we play in Purple when they play in green?,which would not clash with red and white stripes
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I haven't been to either game so far, but appears the manager has made his first two errors (Jones and Wright) when trimming the squad - which we all admitted was going to be a difficult task.
The problem with pre-season is everyone plays out of their skin for contracts - I suspect we'll have one or two lame ducks appearing amongst our ranks fairly soonish.
I really want to believe in Hannigan (and latterly Hulme) going on their reputations. I wouldn't do anything rash with them (except drop Hannigan) and I'm hoping Hulme will play himself into consistency.
Tbf Jones left of his own accord for a trial at full time Salford. Agree with Wright though.
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Do we know if Jones got a contract with Salford?
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What's going on with Jones?
Love to get him back
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Would love to have him back, but I don't know how that would work with 3 contracted centre backs already.
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Why did we play in Purple when they play in green?,which would not clash with red and white stripes
Well, if they play in purple on Saturday we'll know that it's an away kit rather than a change kit - or that the referee is slightly colour-blind as I think from memory Matlock play in blue?
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Just back from Nantwich. We played some nice stuff but again didn't score while we were on top and ended up going one down! IMO Disney looks no better than Densmore and looks fairly unfit,agree with the above post re Taylor but not Hulme who I thought was distinctly average again. JJ runs down a lot of blind alleys but when he does get the ball in the box there's no one there! We need a keeper,left winger and a striker to be challenging for the play offs.
In terms of goalkeeper, Shay Given lives locally and is still looking for a club :-X
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The egg throwing was mentioned on the Guardian Football Weekly podcast if anyone listens.
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I'd like to say it was a targeted attack as we poached their manager but the end they threw them was mainly Nantwich fans as they were shooting that way. So well as being odd it was also badly planned.
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I'd like to say it was a targeted attack as we poached their manager but the end they threw them was mainly Nantwich fans as they were shooting that way. So well as being odd it was also badly planned.
Their brains must have been scrambled, I smell something rotten, glad people are coming out of their shells, my blood is boiling etc etc
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I still can't understand why they threw hard boiled eggs.
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I still can't understand why they threw hard boiled eggs.
So they couldn't be accused of being 'crackers'! (sorry, I'll get me coat)
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I still can't understand why they threw hard boiled eggs.
I was told that it was apples. I don't know if they were raw, eating, bramleys, cooked and pureed or in a pie?
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I still can't understand why they threw hard boiled eggs.
I was told that it was apples. I don't know if they were raw, eating, bramleys, cooked and pureed or in a pie?
Cor(e) ! I can see the a-peel in throwing apples, but I'd have got the pip if one hit me. Definitely eggs.
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The reason they threw eggs, was because they felt their manager/half their team had been poached from them - this is not an intended pun by the way!!