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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: wayno on October 08, 2017, 11:31:33 AM
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Its easy to be glib about what Phil has already achieved since coming here
They say its easier to turn around an underperforming team rather than improve on a succesfull one but it takes the right leader of course
But that aside he has come in and brought belief and endeavour back to a side sadly lacking any
It was lovely to hear the fans singing come on alty and Parkinsons red and white army and seeing him and the players clapping the fans
Well done to Phil and his team long may it continue
Also well done to the board for finally bringing in a really strong leader to the club
One love
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Well said, Wayno; agree with you entirely on all this. All the players and management, plus the board members deserve credit for finally starting to turn things round.
There is still a long way to go, but I would also like to see all the fans reunited again for the good of the club, no matter who is in charge. We should all get behind the team to keep us going in the same direction.
So come on all of you, come back to the ground and watch a team who are playing some great football now. We know and understand you all have your reasons, but we all want to see this run continue with the support the players deserve and have earned in bucket-loads. Keep it going lads, you are a joy to watch!
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The players actually seem to enjoy playing for him and more importantly, with each other, which is a huge compliment to PP and his staff. There will be dark days and I suppose a true indication of Phil's quality will be his ability to continue with all the positives we have seen during the darker periods. The fans appear to be back on board with the team too, which is lovely to see after a couple of lean years. Thankyou PP for making this happen.
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Never doubted it. Phil The power! SBL
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Amazing to think of the low ebb that Phil joined us at
Brillaint job so far
Keep it going
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Well said, Wayno; agree with you entirely on all this. All the players and management, plus the board members deserve credit for finally starting to turn things round.
There is still a long way to go, but I would also like to see all the fans reunited again for the good of the club, no matter who is in charge. We should all get behind the team to keep us going in the same direction.
So come on all of you, come back to the ground and watch a team who are playing some great football now. We know and understand you all have your reasons, but we all want to see this run continue with the support the players deserve and have earned in bucket-loads. Keep it going lads, you are a joy to watch!
Rowley out
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Well said, Wayno; agree with you entirely on all this. All the players and management, plus the board members deserve credit for finally starting to turn things round.
There is still a long way to go, but I would also like to see all the fans reunited again for the good of the club, no matter who is in charge. We should all get behind the team to keep us going in the same direction.
So come on all of you, come back to the ground and watch a team who are playing some great football now. We know and understand you all have your reasons, but we all want to see this run continue with the support the players deserve and have earned in bucket-loads. Keep it going lads, you are a joy to watch!
Rowley out
He's been a great appointment so far. TROLLS OUT! :D
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Well said, Wayno; agree with you entirely on all this. All the players and management, plus the board members deserve credit for finally starting to turn things round.
There is still a long way to go, but I would also like to see all the fans reunited again for the good of the club, no matter who is in charge. We should all get behind the team to keep us going in the same direction.
So come on all of you, come back to the ground and watch a team who are playing some great football now. We know and understand you all have your reasons, but we all want to see this run continue with the support the players deserve and have earned in bucket-loads. Keep it going lads, you are a joy to watch!
Rowley out
He's been a great appointment so far. TROLLS OUT! :D
PP may have a built a decent squad and be doing a good job but calling people trolls for wanting Rowley out shows your total lack of understanding of the club in general.
Rowley Out!
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I am wondering where we will be before the disenchantered give it a rest.
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Regarding PP he must have wondered what he'd let himself in for after the first game of the season!.
As with most fans I questioned some of his decisions, mainly letting Wright go but I can't fault the way we play, where we are in the league and the cohesion he's brought to the team. It's a massive well done from me.
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I am wondering where we will be before the disenchantered give it a rest.
You probably know the answer to that.
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Obsessed with this season,mainly because I want us at a higher level and also we are playing the type of football I've wanted us to play for years. Yes we are at our lowest level,but we could have got a manager who wanted to just pump balls up top or bully teams. PP has made us solid, energetic and decent team spirit where they want to fight for each other.You can see each player playing for that position. Thoroughly enjoying it.
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Brilliant manager, will be manager of the season this year and next, you heard it here first :o :D
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Brilliant manager, will be manager of the season this year and next, you heard it here first :o :D
If that is true then we've got to expect a conf club to come in for them
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Brilliant manager, will be manager of the season this year and next, you heard it here first :o :D
If that is true then we've got to expect a conf club to come in for them
A discussion I've had with a number of fellow supporters recently. PP is ambitious, and good young managers are in short supply. We're bound to lose him if success continues, which begs the question of how many players step up with him.
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I don't see why he can't take this team straight through the national north and then he probably would be where most of the players could expect to be anyway.
It all starts to change once you need commitment from players to become full time together with coming up against teams with bigger budgets.
Two successive promotions would look good on his CV.
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Hoping PP sees his job here to at least consolidate us in the conference.
Im a huge fan.
Rowley OUT!!
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I doubt whether our team is good enough to go straight up again next season (assuming we do indeed go up this year). The northern league is getting tougher and tougher all the time and we will definitely be light in midfield and probably up front. We'd need to bring in at least 3 more quality players at that level (a level PP has never operated at before) and we will be competing for players with a number of well-backed and/or full time teams.
Truthfully, in order to compete at anything above half way in the northern league, we'd need a change of leadership and some considerable investment. Sorry, but talk of two consecutive promotions is at the moment fanciful.
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Have to agree with Evostik Shame. Yes we are flying on the pitch this season but let's not get too carried away.
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If he were to get poached and leave with the backroom staff would that make Foz caretaker manager?
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If he were to get poached and leave with the backroom staff would that make Foz caretaker manager?
a given
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If he were to get poached and leave with the backroom staff would that make Foz caretaker manager?
Probably player manager :D
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Have to agree with Evostik Shame. Yes we are flying on the pitch this season but let's not get too carried away.
Well we've spent the last five seasons playing hoofball. It used to annoy me that we booted it out from goal and almost always looked for the second ball after an opposition mistake so I'm not sure the league above is so great. Blyth and Spennymoor seem to be doing OK.
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Spennymoor are definitely bankrolled. Don't know about Blyth.
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I am just glad PP, his team AND THE PLAYING SQUAD are all here. Thoroughly enjoying this season, why shouldn't we be optimistic about next season. I know we should wait and see what happens finally this season, but we have had 2 years of disappointment. I believe that Phil and his team only need to make slight tweaks during the close season and we will make a good challenge next also.
Phil is happy, we are a big club and doing well and the future is now looking a little rosier. I think Phil would be wrong to leave that now and I think the club will do all it can to prevent that happening. I am just enjoying the now, and i look forward to every game. We are doing well because we have built a squad consisting of Nationwide North level players and those who want to meet the challenge. Plus a management team who want their players to play football the way it should be played, suits me fine. However, we should take this in realistic stages rather than grow too quickly and backfire. All football clubs have upper years and downers, we have just bottomed out from ours and are now upturning. We had a similar team during the Kingy era that played the same incessant attacking football, though I believe this team has slightly less aggression in it's play. They were both fabulous to watch though but as I say, this is the now and is why I am going to a few more away games than normal, despite yesterday's disappointment. Great side and very good on the eye to watch. I also believe that the players are actually enjoying the season too, as they are playing so well with each other. Probrably the best ones to ask would be the likes of Shaun, Jake and Simon, as they have been here through the bad and now good times. the mere fact they are still here tells me how they feel about the club, management team and board, so what is wrong with our infrastructure - very little in my opinion.
Congratulations to Graeme Rowley and the board for making this happen, mistakes have been made in the past which I bought into too, but we are now on the up and I feel people should lay off them now and finally get fully behind the club again. We now need to be a united club with players, board and fans and I am sure our success will continue. That is why i have written this message!
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I am just glad PP, his team AND THE PLAYING SQUAD are all here. Thoroughly enjoying this season, why shouldn't we be optimistic about next season. I know we should wait and see what happens finally this season, but we have had 2 years of disappointment. I believe that Phil and his team only need to make slight tweaks during the close season and we will make a good challenge next also.
Phil is happy, we are a big club and doing well and the future is now looking a little rosier. I think Phil would be wrong to leave that now and I think the club will do all it can to prevent that happening. I am just enjoying the now, and i look forward to every game. We are doing well because we have built a squad consisting of Nationwide North level players and those who want to meet the challenge. Plus a management team who want their players to play football the way it should be played, suits me fine. However, we should take this in realistic stages rather than grow too quickly and backfire. All football clubs have upper years and downers, we have just bottomed out from ours and are now upturning. We had a similar team during the Kingy era that played the same incessant attacking football, though I believe this team has slightly less aggression in it's play. They were both fabulous to watch though but as I say, this is the now and is why I am going to a few more away games than normal, despite yesterday's disappointment. Great side and very good on the eye to watch. I also believe that the players are actually enjoying the season too, as they are playing so well with each other. Probrably the best ones to ask would be the likes of Shaun, Jake and Simon, as they have been here through the bad and now good times. the mere fact they are still here tells me how they feel about the club, management team and board, so what is wrong with our infrastructure - very little in my opinion.
Congratulations to Graeme Rowley and the board for making this happen, mistakes have been made in the past which I bought into too, but we are now on the up and I feel people should lay off them now and finally get fully behind the club again. We now need to be a united club with players, board and fans and I am sure our success will continue. That is why i have written this message!
We keep hearing how the fans need to move on and get behind the board and the club. I'm sorry but this works both ways.
The failings of the previous two seasons ultimately were down to the chairman and board. In my opinion there was an unacceptable lack of accountability and humility from those at the top. That drove some fans away, left others alienated. Since then I do not feel the response from Mr Rowley and the board as a whole has been remotely adequate (although they deserve the credit for PP's appointment).
This shouldn't be about the fans needing to get behind the club. The onus should be on the club to reach out to the missing and alienated fans and win them back.
I fully support PP incidentally. He has done an excellent job so far.
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I am just glad PP, his team AND THE PLAYING SQUAD are all here. Thoroughly enjoying this season, why shouldn't we be optimistic about next season. I know we should wait and see what happens finally this season, but we have had 2 years of disappointment. I believe that Phil and his team only need to make slight tweaks during the close season and we will make a good challenge next also.
Phil is happy, we are a big club and doing well and the future is now looking a little rosier. I think Phil would be wrong to leave that now and I think the club will do all it can to prevent that happening. I am just enjoying the now, and i look forward to every game. We are doing well because we have built a squad consisting of Nationwide North level players and those who want to meet the challenge. Plus a management team who want their players to play football the way it should be played, suits me fine. However, we should take this in realistic stages rather than grow too quickly and backfire. All football clubs have upper years and downers, we have just bottomed out from ours and are now upturning. We had a similar team during the Kingy era that played the same incessant attacking football, though I believe this team has slightly less aggression in it's play. They were both fabulous to watch though but as I say, this is the now and is why I am going to a few more away games than normal, despite yesterday's disappointment. Great side and very good on the eye to watch. I also believe that the players are actually enjoying the season too, as they are playing so well with each other. Probrably the best ones to ask would be the likes of Shaun, Jake and Simon, as they have been here through the bad and now good times. the mere fact they are still here tells me how they feel about the club, management team and board, so what is wrong with our infrastructure - very little in my opinion.
Congratulations to Graeme Rowley and the board for making this happen, mistakes have been made in the past which I bought into too, but we are now on the up and I feel people should lay off them now and finally get fully behind the club again. We now need to be a united club with players, board and fans and I am sure our success will continue. That is why i have written this message!
We keep hearing how the fans need to move on and get behind the board and the club. I'm sorry but this works both ways.
The failings of the previous two seasons ultimately were down to the chairman and board. In my opinion there was an unacceptable lack of accountability and humility from those at the top. That drove some fans away, left others alienated. Since then I do not feel the response from Mr Rowley and the board as a whole has been remotely adequate (although they deserve the credit for PP's appointment).
This shouldn't be about the fans needing to get behind the club. The onus should be on the club to reach out to the missing and alienated fans and win them back.
I fully support PP incidentally. He has done an excellent job so far.
Excellent post Bob
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While I understand your points, Bob. my message was to try and reunite the fans and I agree that the club should also reach out. Now is actually the ideal time for both factions to come together whilst the club is on the up but both factions need to do whatever is best for the ongoing strength of the club. the board have already admitted they have made mistakes in the past but I am sure lessons have been learnt by everybody.
It is all for the good of OUR club, but some fans must also be open-minded and allow repairs to be made before they are lost forever or the club starts to destabalize. Time to let it go now and be reunited and do whatever it takes to repair damage done from both sides. I would suggest another meeting between fans and board. It's time also they and possibly the management got together again. The Rowley out campaign is damaging to the club and destablises it for all of us. Credit where credit is due now that things are looking up again and lets not lose sight of this.
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While I understand your points, Bob. my message was to try and reunite the fans and I agree that the club should also reach out. Now is actually the ideal time for both factions to come together whilst the club is on the up but both factions need to do whatever is best for the ongoing strength of the club. the board have already admitted they have made mistakes in the past but I am sure lessons have been learnt by everybody.
It is all for the good of OUR club, but some fans must also be open-minded and allow repairs to be made before they are lost forever or the club starts to destabalize. Time to let it go now and be reunited and do whatever it takes to repair damage done from both sides. I would suggest another meeting between fans and board. It's time also they and possibly the management got together again. The Rowley out campaign is damaging to the club and destablises it for all of us. Credit where credit is due now that things are looking up again and lets not lose sight of this.
I'm sorry, but that logic just doesn't work. I think that everyone is pleased with the way the team is playing at the moment, but we shouldn't have been here in the first place and I do not believe that there has been anything like the accountability there should have been or indeed any true form of apology from the clique that runs our club.
If we all follow your logic, then all Americans should be praising Donald Trump, forget the character of the man because the 'on the pitch' indicators say he's doing a great job for America. Unemployment is falling and is almost at a record low, US stocks have had a record run and the American economy is growing. It's not all about the current 'on the pitch' factors though is it? The character of the man is such that stability is more luck than judgement. No accountability, no ability to admit mistakes, fake news (NLP anyone), keeping 'yes' men around you lest your judgement be questioned and get rid of those who you feel undermine your authority.
I don't think there is anyone who is not behind the team and PP, but that does not equate to thinking everything at boardroom level is rosy, nor should it.
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I am just glad PP, his team AND THE PLAYING SQUAD are all here. Thoroughly enjoying this season, why shouldn't we be optimistic about next season. I know we should wait and see what happens finally this season, but we have had 2 years of disappointment. I believe that Phil and his team only need to make slight tweaks during the close season and we will make a good challenge next also.
Phil is happy, we are a big club and doing well and the future is now looking a little rosier. I think Phil would be wrong to leave that now and I think the club will do all it can to prevent that happening. I am just enjoying the now, and i look forward to every game. We are doing well because we have built a squad consisting of Nationwide North level players and those who want to meet the challenge. Plus a management team who want their players to play football the way it should be played, suits me fine. However, we should take this in realistic stages rather than grow too quickly and backfire. All football clubs have upper years and downers, we have just bottomed out from ours and are now upturning. We had a similar team during the Kingy era that played the same incessant attacking football, though I believe this team has slightly less aggression in it's play. They were both fabulous to watch though but as I say, this is the now and is why I am going to a few more away games than normal, despite yesterday's disappointment. Great side and very good on the eye to watch. I also believe that the players are actually enjoying the season too, as they are playing so well with each other. Probrably the best ones to ask would be the likes of Shaun, Jake and Simon, as they have been here through the bad and now good times. the mere fact they are still here tells me how they feel about the club, management team and board, so what is wrong with our infrastructure - very little in my opinion.
Congratulations to Graeme Rowley and the board for making this happen, mistakes have been made in the past which I bought into too, but we are now on the up and I feel people should lay off them now and finally get fully behind the club again. We now need to be a united club with players, board and fans and I am sure our success will continue. That is why i have written this message!
If Phil is so happy at the club, then why is he considering his future?
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I am just glad PP, his team AND THE PLAYING SQUAD are all here. Thoroughly enjoying this season, why shouldn't we be optimistic about next season. I know we should wait and see what happens finally this season, but we have had 2 years of disappointment. I believe that Phil and his team only need to make slight tweaks during the close season and we will make a good challenge next also.
Phil is happy, we are a big club and doing well and the future is now looking a little rosier. I think Phil would be wrong to leave that now and I think the club will do all it can to prevent that happening. I am just enjoying the now, and i look forward to every game. We are doing well because we have built a squad consisting of Nationwide North level players and those who want to meet the challenge. Plus a management team who want their players to play football the way it should be played, suits me fine. However, we should take this in realistic stages rather than grow too quickly and backfire. All football clubs have upper years and downers, we have just bottomed out from ours and are now upturning. We had a similar team during the Kingy era that played the same incessant attacking football, though I believe this team has slightly less aggression in it's play. They were both fabulous to watch though but as I say, this is the now and is why I am going to a few more away games than normal, despite yesterday's disappointment. Great side and very good on the eye to watch. I also believe that the players are actually enjoying the season too, as they are playing so well with each other. Probrably the best ones to ask would be the likes of Shaun, Jake and Simon, as they have been here through the bad and now good times. the mere fact they are still here tells me how they feel about the club, management team and board, so what is wrong with our infrastructure - very little in my opinion.
Congratulations to Graeme Rowley and the board for making this happen, mistakes have been made in the past which I bought into too, but we are now on the up and I feel people should lay off them now and finally get fully behind the club again. We now need to be a united club with players, board and fans and I am sure our success will continue. That is why i have written this message!
If Phil is so happy at the club, then why is he considering his future?
So is PP considering his future?
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I am just glad PP, his team AND THE PLAYING SQUAD are all here. Thoroughly enjoying this season, why shouldn't we be optimistic about next season. I know we should wait and see what happens finally this season, but we have had 2 years of disappointment. I believe that Phil and his team only need to make slight tweaks during the close season and we will make a good challenge next also.
Phil is happy, we are a big club and doing well and the future is now looking a little rosier. I think Phil would be wrong to leave that now and I think the club will do all it can to prevent that happening. I am just enjoying the now, and i look forward to every game. We are doing well because we have built a squad consisting of Nationwide North level players and those who want to meet the challenge. Plus a management team who want their players to play football the way it should be played, suits me fine. However, we should take this in realistic stages rather than grow too quickly and backfire. All football clubs have upper years and downers, we have just bottomed out from ours and are now upturning. We had a similar team during the Kingy era that played the same incessant attacking football, though I believe this team has slightly less aggression in it's play. They were both fabulous to watch though but as I say, this is the now and is why I am going to a few more away games than normal, despite yesterday's disappointment. Great side and very good on the eye to watch. I also believe that the players are actually enjoying the season too, as they are playing so well with each other. Probrably the best ones to ask would be the likes of Shaun, Jake and Simon, as they have been here through the bad and now good times. the mere fact they are still here tells me how they feel about the club, management team and board, so what is wrong with our infrastructure - very little in my opinion.
Congratulations to Graeme Rowley and the board for making this happen, mistakes have been made in the past which I bought into too, but we are now on the up and I feel people should lay off them now and finally get fully behind the club again. We now need to be a united club with players, board and fans and I am sure our success will continue. That is why i have written this message!
We keep hearing how the fans need to move on and get behind the board and the club. I'm sorry but this works both ways.
The failings of the previous two seasons ultimately were down to the chairman and board. In my opinion there was an unacceptable lack of accountability and humility from those at the top. That drove some fans away, left others alienated. Since then I do not feel the response from Mr Rowley and the board as a whole has been remotely adequate (although they deserve the credit for PP's appointment).
This shouldn't be about the fans needing to get behind the club. The onus should be on the club to reach out to the missing and alienated fans and win them back.
I fully support PP incidentally. He has done an excellent job so far.
Excellent post Bob
totally agree with Bob's post
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While I understand your points, Bob. my message was to try and reunite the fans and I agree that the club should also reach out. Now is actually the ideal time for both factions to come together whilst the club is on the up but both factions need to do whatever is best for the ongoing strength of the club. the board have already admitted they have made mistakes in the past but I am sure lessons have been learnt by everybody.
It is all for the good of OUR club, but some fans must also be open-minded and allow repairs to be made before they are lost forever or the club starts to destabalize. Time to let it go now and be reunited and do whatever it takes to repair damage done from both sides. I would suggest another meeting between fans and board. It's time also they and possibly the management got together again. The Rowley out campaign is damaging to the club and destablises it for all of us. Credit where credit is due now that things are looking up again and lets not lose sight of this.
I'm sorry, but that logic just doesn't work. I think that everyone is pleased with the way the team is playing at the moment, but we shouldn't have been here in the first place and I do not believe that there has been anything like the accountability there should have been or indeed any true form of apology from the clique that runs our club.
If we all follow your logic, then all Americans should be praising Donald Trump, forget the character of the man because the 'on the pitch' indicators say he's doing a great job for America. Unemployment is falling and is almost at a record low, US stocks have had a record run and the American economy is growing. It's not all about the current 'on the pitch' factors though is it? The character of the man is such that stability is more luck than judgement. No accountability, no ability to admit mistakes, fake news (NLP anyone), keeping 'yes' men around you lest your judgement be questioned and get rid of those who you feel undermine your authority.
I don't think there is anyone who is not behind the team and PP, but that does not equate to thinking everything at boardroom level is rosy, nor should it.
Another excellent post
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I am just glad PP, his team AND THE PLAYING SQUAD are all here. Thoroughly enjoying this season, why shouldn't we be optimistic about next season. I know we should wait and see what happens finally this season, but we have had 2 years of disappointment. I believe that Phil and his team only need to make slight tweaks during the close season and we will make a good challenge next also.
Phil is happy, we are a big club and doing well and the future is now looking a little rosier. I think Phil would be wrong to leave that now and I think the club will do all it can to prevent that happening. I am just enjoying the now, and i look forward to every game. We are doing well because we have built a squad consisting of Nationwide North level players and those who want to meet the challenge. Plus a management team who want their players to play football the way it should be played, suits me fine. However, we should take this in realistic stages rather than grow too quickly and backfire. All football clubs have upper years and downers, we have just bottomed out from ours and are now upturning. We had a similar team during the Kingy era that played the same incessant attacking football, though I believe this team has slightly less aggression in it's play. They were both fabulous to watch though but as I say, this is the now and is why I am going to a few more away games than normal, despite yesterday's disappointment. Great side and very good on the eye to watch. I also believe that the players are actually enjoying the season too, as they are playing so well with each other. Probrably the best ones to ask would be the likes of Shaun, Jake and Simon, as they have been here through the bad and now good times. the mere fact they are still here tells me how they feel about the club, management team and board, so what is wrong with our infrastructure - very little in my opinion.
Congratulations to Graeme Rowley and the board for making this happen, mistakes have been made in the past which I bought into too, but we are now on the up and I feel people should lay off them now and finally get fully behind the club again. We now need to be a united club with players, board and fans and I am sure our success will continue. That is why i have written this message!
If Phil is so happy at the club, then why is he considering his future?
Is he? Have I missed something?
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/tfg54xwa7gwqljg/Screenshot_20180121-153645.png?dl=0
Might or might not be football related. Certainly hope not
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In fairness, the #family would tend to suggest that his thinking is not necessarily primarily motivated by his footballing situation.
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Unless Gannon leaves Stockport I cant see any jobs he might be in the frame for so hopefully not footy related.
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Thank you. He may have been approached about a bigger job or a full time position somewhere. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough if it affects Alty.
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He might be buying a new family car for the future ;)
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All Inclusive or Villa?
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I saw that tweet and instantly panicked.....convinced myself PP was on his way to stoke..
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I saw that tweet and instantly panicked.....convinced myself PP was on his way to stoke..
were on the way to stoke city well all be pissed it won't be pretty
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While I understand your points, Bob. my message was to try and reunite the fans and I agree that the club should also reach out. Now is actually the ideal time for both factions to come together whilst the club is on the up but both factions need to do whatever is best for the ongoing strength of the club. the board have already admitted they have made mistakes in the past but I am sure lessons have been learnt by everybody.
It is all for the good of OUR club, but some fans must also be open-minded and allow repairs to be made before they are lost forever or the club starts to destabalize. Time to let it go now and be reunited and do whatever it takes to repair damage done from both sides. I would suggest another meeting between fans and board. It's time also they and possibly the management got together again. The Rowley out campaign is damaging to the club and destablises it for all of us. Credit where credit is due now that things are looking up again and lets not lose sight of this.
I'm sorry, but that logic just doesn't work. I think that everyone is pleased with the way the team is playing at the moment, but we shouldn't have been here in the first place and I do not believe that there has been anything like the accountability there should have been or indeed any true form of apology from the clique that runs our club.
If we all follow your logic, then all Americans should be praising Donald Trump, forget the character of the man because the 'on the pitch' indicators say he's doing a great job for America. Unemployment is falling and is almost at a record low, US stocks have had a record run and the American economy is growing. It's not all about the current 'on the pitch' factors though is it? The character of the man is such that stability is more luck than judgement. No accountability, no ability to admit mistakes, fake news (NLP anyone), keeping 'yes' men around you lest your judgement be questioned and get rid of those who you feel undermine your authority.
I don't think there is anyone who is not behind the team and PP, but that does not equate to thinking everything at boardroom level is rosy, nor should it.
Another excellent post
lots of good points in this post
There was not even a staff supporters game last year . To kid ourselves everything is now ok is very niave
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In fairness, the #family would tend to suggest that his thinking is not necessarily primarily motivated by his footballing situation.
All PP's tweets are football related, interestingly has been removed now
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Thank you. He may have been approached about a bigger job or a full time position somewhere. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough if it affects Alty.
Was Alfreton I heard, but they appointed someone else
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It looks possible that we'll be swapping places with Alfreton. Hardly a step up and a really bad commute so it would have involved moving the family.
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While I understand your points, Bob. my message was to try and reunite the fans and I agree that the club should also reach out. Now is actually the ideal time for both factions to come together whilst the club is on the up but both factions need to do whatever is best for the ongoing strength of the club. the board have already admitted they have made mistakes in the past but I am sure lessons have been learnt by everybody.
It is all for the good of OUR club, but some fans must also be open-minded and allow repairs to be made before they are lost forever or the club starts to destabalize. Time to let it go now and be reunited and do whatever it takes to repair damage done from both sides. I would suggest another meeting between fans and board. It's time also they and possibly the management got together again. The Rowley out campaign is damaging to the club and destablises it for all of us. Credit where credit is due now that things are looking up again and lets not lose sight of this.
I'm sorry, but that logic just doesn't work. I think that everyone is pleased with the way the team is playing at the moment, but we shouldn't have been here in the first place and I do not believe that there has been anything like the accountability there should have been or indeed any true form of apology from the clique that runs our club.
If we all follow your logic, then all Americans should be praising Donald Trump, forget the character of the man because the 'on the pitch' indicators say he's doing a great job for America. Unemployment is falling and is almost at a record low, US stocks have had a record run and the American economy is growing. It's not all about the current 'on the pitch' factors though is it? The character of the man is such that stability is more luck than judgement. No accountability, no ability to admit mistakes, fake news (NLP anyone), keeping 'yes' men around you lest your judgement be questioned and get rid of those who you feel undermine your authority.
I don't think there is anyone who is not behind the team and PP, but that does not equate to thinking everything at boardroom level is rosy, nor should it.
Another excellent post
lots of good points in this post
There was not even a staff supporters game last year . To kid ourselves everything is now ok is very niave
I agree with Bob/Snork Maiden and Uncle G.
As a point on Wayne’s post, there won’t be one this year either. Again, shows the board don’t want one and aren’t interested in helping relations with the fans.
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There are no plans to hold a Staff v Supporters game this year. Given the time I know a few people put in to maintaining our Supporters Team’s training sessions, games etc... I’d say that’s a big shame. It would be a nice payoff for them to be able to grace the pitch.
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There are no plans to hold a Staff v Supporters game this year. Given the time I know a few people put in to maintaining our Supporters Team’s training sessions, games etc... I’d say that’s a big shame. It would be a nice payoff for them to be able to grace the pitch.
The Staff v Supporters is usually a good curtain raiser of the Beer 🍺 Festival and a fund raiser for the club.
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There are no plans to hold a Staff v Supporters game this year. Given the time I know a few people put in to maintaining our Supporters Team’s training sessions, games etc... I’d say that’s a big shame. It would be a nice payoff for them to be able to grace the pitch.
The Staff v Supporters is usually a good curtain raiser of the Beer 🍺 Festival and a fund raiser for the club.
Indeed, however I believe the plan for the opening night of this year's festival is to showcase the Ladies team in an exhibition game (as it was last year.) Its a good platform to give them some exposure to a wider audience.
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There are no plans to hold a Staff v Supporters game this year. Given the time I know a few people put in to maintaining our Supporters Team’s training sessions, games etc... I’d say that’s a big shame. It would be a nice payoff for them to be able to grace the pitch.
The Staff v Supporters is usually a good curtain raiser of the Beer 🍺 Festival and a fund raiser for the club.
The fact the club's haven't approached the supporters team to tell us this. Just found out by third parties
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Are the SLOs aware? Isn't this the kind of information they could be feeding back to the supporters, if they are aware.
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There are no plans to hold a Staff v Supporters game this year. Given the time I know a few people put in to maintaining our Supporters Team’s training sessions, games etc... I’d say that’s a big shame. It would be a nice payoff for them to be able to grace the pitch.
The Staff v Supporters is usually a good curtain raiser of the Beer 🍺 Festival and a fund raiser for the club.
Indeed, however I believe the plan for the opening night of this year's festival is to showcase the Ladies team in an exhibition game (as it was last year.) Its a good platform to give them some exposure to a wider audience.
Sunday afternoon would be a better date for the Ladies game. Personally I would go with this plan for the Beer Festival.
Friday night- Staff v Supporters
Saturday afternoon- Reserves game, unless the 1st Team have a play-off game(hopefully not)
Sunday morning(11am) Youth Team
Sunday Afternoon (3pm) Ladies Team(1st or DS)
Monday all day Junior Football Tournament
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There are no plans to hold a Staff v Supporters game this year. Given the time I know a few people put in to maintaining our Supporters Team’s training sessions, games etc... I’d say that’s a big shame. It would be a nice payoff for them to be able to grace the pitch.
The Staff v Supporters is usually a good curtain raiser of the Beer 🍺 Festival and a fund raiser for the club.
Indeed, however I believe the plan for the opening night of this year's festival is to showcase the Ladies team in an exhibition game (as it was last year.) Its a good platform to give them some exposure to a wider audience.
Sunday afternoon would be a better date for the Ladies game. Personally I would go with this plan for the Beer Festival.
Friday night- Staff v Supporters
Saturday afternoon- Reserves game, unless the 1st Team have a play-off game(hopefully not)
Sunday morning(11am) Youth Team
Sunday Afternoon (3pm) Ladies Team(1st or DS)
Monday all day Junior Football Tournament
Pending an official announcement, but the Festival is pencilled in on the weekend of our last game of the season. We play Hednesford on the Saturday (28/04.)
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I'm sure lots of people saw PP's tweet and like me decided not to make a big thing of it and just see what happened....I hope PP appreciates the respect his privacy was given on this matter and perhaps be a little more discrete in future.....alls well that ends well but Phil has won nothing yet...or ever.....and winning this league with alty will not be non league's biggest achievement.....I hope he really proves his worth, commits to alty until we are consolidated conference national...then he will certainly get a more worthwhile full time career move as opposed to a cartoon move to alfreton???...and he will go with best wishes and thanks ringing in his ears.....
It is not just our position in the non league pyramid that maintains a Rowley out attitude...although the fact we have to go to some of these places week in week out has never been taken accountability for.......it is things like the way people find out about staff vs supporters, stewards being sacked, fans being blamed and accused in national media and a general disgraceful air of almost contempt for certain Alty fans (normally those who put themselves forward to push the club forward) that maintains the toxic atmosphere.
Once we gain promotion the Rowley out campaign will I'm sure become more vocal.....Until then I do urge fans to come and enjoy the football and support the manager and the players....I have found this is possible to do whilst demanding change of leadership is made.
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There are no plans to hold a Staff v Supporters game this year. Given the time I know a few people put in to maintaining our Supporters Team’s training sessions, games etc... I’d say that’s a big shame. It would be a nice payoff for them to be able to grace the pitch.
The Staff v Supporters is usually a good curtain raiser of the Beer 🍺 Festival and a fund raiser for the club.
Indeed, however I believe the plan for the opening night of this year's festival is to showcase the Ladies team in an exhibition game (as it was last year.) Its a good platform to give them some exposure to a wider audience.
Sunday afternoon would be a better date for the Ladies game. Personally I would go with this plan for the Beer Festival.
Friday night- Staff v Supporters
Saturday afternoon- Reserves game, unless the 1st Team have a play-off game(hopefully not)
Sunday morning(11am) Youth Team
Sunday Afternoon (3pm) Ladies Team(1st or DS)
Monday all day Junior Football Tournament
Pending an official announcement, but the Festival is pencilled in on the weekend of our last game of the season. We play Hednesford on the Saturday (28/04.)
Revised plan.
Staff v Supporters Fri Night
Alty v Hednesford Sat afternoon
Race Night and End of Season presentation Sat Night
Youth team game Sunday 11 am
Ladies game 3pm
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I'm sure lots of people saw PP's tweet and like me decided not to make a big thing of it and just see what happened....I hope PP appreciates the respect his privacy was given on this matter and perhaps be a little more discrete in future.....alls well that ends well but Phil has won nothing yet...or ever.....and winning this league with alty will not be non league's biggest achievement.....I hope he really proves his worth, commits to alty until we are consolidated conference national...then he will certainly get a more worthwhile full time career move as opposed to a cartoon move to alfreton???...and he will go with best wishes and thanks ringing in his ears.....
It is not just our position in the non league pyramid that maintains a Rowley out attitude...although the fact we have to go to some of these places week in week out has never been taken accountability for.......it is things like the way people find out about staff vs supporters, stewards being sacked, fans being blamed and accused in national media and a general disgraceful air of almost contempt for certain Alty fans (normally those who put themselves forward to push the club forward) that maintains the toxic atmosphere.
Once we gain promotion the Rowley out campaign will I'm sure become more vocal.....Until then I do urge fans to come and enjoy the football and support the manager and the players....I have found this is possible to do whilst demanding change of leadership is made.
If PP is considering his position, do you feel this 'toxic atmosphere' would enter his thinking? He has come in, got Alty 10 points clear in the league, yet there is still massive animosity between the fans and the club. His boss is being slated continually (perhaps warranted in some people's eyes) as well as the rest of the board which, in any job, would make you feel uneasy in your position.
I'm sure he's not forgotten that his head was being called for, albeit by a significant minority, after five minutes in the job. There has recently been suggestions on here that he threw a cup game and the club had a game called off on purpose. If he does read this forum, which he shouldn't but it's probably difficult to ignore, how do you think this 'toxic atmosphere' makes him feel in his job?
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Re. Supporter's game.
It transpires that there are plans to get something on across the course of the weekend. I believed there not to be, based on the minutes I was sent from a planning meeting. There were further discussions about getting a game sorted. I'm sure there will be more info nearer the time.
Apologies.
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If PP is considering his position, do you feel this 'toxic atmosphere' would enter his thinking? He has come in, got Alty 10 points clear in the league, yet there is still massive animosity between the fans and the club. His boss is being slated continually (perhaps warranted in some people's eyes) as well as the rest of the board which, in any job, would make you feel uneasy in your position.
I'm sure he's not forgotten that his head was being called for, albeit by a significant minority, after five minutes in the job. There has recently been suggestions on here that he threw a cup game and the club had a game called off on purpose. If he does read this forum, which he shouldn't but it's probably difficult to ignore, how do you think this 'toxic atmosphere' makes him feel in his job?
Excellent points also.
Its a general fact that those that have a grievance tend to be louder than those that are happy with their lot so to outsiders the Alty support base must seem a real ungrateful bunch and this will ultimately filter its way back to PP and the team. Of course everything isn't rosy but a lot of us are hugely enjoying this season, more than we've done for many many years. Those that are unhappy have every right to voice their opinions but also need to be more proactive in suggesting viable and practical solutions rather than just slagging off the board and shouting "Rowley out!". If you're not happy, do something about it - arrange campaigns, organise meetings with the club etc. - do something positive and everyone is more likely to listen and respect that. Don't drag the entire supporter base into an argument that presents us all in a unhappy light. We'll never all agree on everything but too often positive posts by fans like Steve From Sale get shot down for daring to be upbeat.
Col.
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Re. Supporter's game.
It transpires that there are plans to get something on across the course of the weekend. I believed there not to be, based on the minutes I was sent from a planning meeting. There were further discussions about getting a game sorted. I'm sure there will be more info nearer the time.
Apologies.
that's good news :)
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If PP is considering his position, do you feel this 'toxic atmosphere' would enter his thinking? He has come in, got Alty 10 points clear in the league, yet there is still massive animosity between the fans and the club. His boss is being slated continually (perhaps warranted in some people's eyes) as well as the rest of the board which, in any job, would make you feel uneasy in your position.
I'm sure he's not forgotten that his head was being called for, albeit by a significant minority, after five minutes in the job. There has recently been suggestions on here that he threw a cup game and the club had a game called off on purpose. If he does read this forum, which he shouldn't but it's probably difficult to ignore, how do you think this 'toxic atmosphere' makes him feel in his job?
Excellent points also.
Its a general fact that those that have a grievance tend to be louder than those that are happy with their lot so to outsiders the Alty support base must seem a real ungrateful bunch and this will ultimately filter its way back to PP and the team. Of course everything isn't rosy but a lot of us are hugely enjoying this season, more than we've done for many many years. Those that are unhappy have every right to voice their opinions but also need to be more proactive in suggesting viable and practical solutions rather than just slagging off the board and shouting "Rowley out!". If you're not happy, do something about it - arrange campaigns, organise meetings with the club etc. - do something positive and everyone is more likely to listen and respect that. Don't drag the entire supporter base into an argument that presents us all in a unhappy light. We'll never all agree on everything but too often positive posts by fans like Steve From Sale get shot down for daring to be upbeat.
Col.
https://twitter.com/RealClareB/status/843128768319422466
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I appreciate the update Andrew.
I have read the original meeting minutes. some fantastic ideas in there, and I find it strange that there are no mention of the supporters game. I was originally invite to the meeting but then never received the location or time, hence why we couldn't have asked earlier.
I look forward to Supporters team getting a call or email from Grahame to discuss this in more details, in which I hope we can discuss in detail why the supporters team weren't included at this meeting.
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If PP is considering his position, do you feel this 'toxic atmosphere' would enter his thinking? He has come in, got Alty 10 points clear in the league, yet there is still massive animosity between the fans and the club. His boss is being slated continually (perhaps warranted in some people's eyes) as well as the rest of the board which, in any job, would make you feel uneasy in your position.
I'm sure he's not forgotten that his head was being called for, albeit by a significant minority, after five minutes in the job. There has recently been suggestions on here that he threw a cup game and the club had a game called off on purpose. If he does read this forum, which he shouldn't but it's probably difficult to ignore, how do you think this 'toxic atmosphere' makes him feel in his job?
Excellent points also.
Its a general fact that those that have a grievance tend to be louder than those that are happy with their lot so to outsiders the Alty support base must seem a real ungrateful bunch and this will ultimately filter its way back to PP and the team. Of course everything isn't rosy but a lot of us are hugely enjoying this season, more than we've done for many many years. Those that are unhappy have every right to voice their opinions but also need to be more proactive in suggesting viable and practical solutions rather than just slagging off the board and shouting "Rowley out!". If you're not happy, do something about it - arrange campaigns, organise meetings with the club etc. - do something positive and everyone is more likely to listen and respect that. Don't drag the entire supporter base into an argument that presents us all in a unhappy light. We'll never all agree on everything but too often positive posts by fans like Steve From Sale get shot down for daring to be upbeat.
Col.
https://www.docdroid.net/wacdiU0/altrincham-fc-fan-walkout-qa-1.pdf#page=5
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I hope Grahame can also take time to provide an update as per my email.
Not that he reads these posts. ::)
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If PP is considering his position, do you feel this 'toxic atmosphere' would enter his thinking? He has come in, got Alty 10 points clear in the league, yet there is still massive animosity between the fans and the club. His boss is being slated continually (perhaps warranted in some people's eyes) as well as the rest of the board which, in any job, would make you feel uneasy in your position.
I'm sure he's not forgotten that his head was being called for, albeit by a significant minority, after five minutes in the job. There has recently been suggestions on here that he threw a cup game and the club had a game called off on purpose. If he does read this forum, which he shouldn't but it's probably difficult to ignore, how do you think this 'toxic atmosphere' makes him feel in his job?
Excellent points also.
Its a general fact that those that have a grievance tend to be louder than those that are happy with their lot so to outsiders the Alty support base must seem a real ungrateful bunch and this will ultimately filter its way back to PP and the team. Of course everything isn't rosy but a lot of us are hugely enjoying this season, more than we've done for many many years. Those that are unhappy have every right to voice their opinions but also need to be more proactive in suggesting viable and practical solutions rather than just slagging off the board and shouting "Rowley out!". If you're not happy, do something about it - arrange campaigns, organise meetings with the club etc. - do something positive and everyone is more likely to listen and respect that. Don't drag the entire supporter base into an argument that presents us all in a unhappy light. We'll never all agree on everything but too often positive posts by fans like Steve From Sale get shot down for daring to be upbeat.
Col.
Are there any Altrincham fans currently 'Happy with their lot' playing away at Coalville and Mickleover when two years ago we were at Tranmere and Wrexham???
In the previous 1.5 seasons prior to this one what have we had to be grateful about?
Parkinson is doing a great job and long may it continue and the team is terrific at this level but next season is the real genuine test if we do secure promotion.
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It is what it is and we are where we are.....I'm enjoying the season and going to these places for a one off season only....it's quite good actually as we can say we are a class above this level....yes we dropped but we came straight back again.
Would absolutely hate to get stuck here for years and you only have to look at Stalybridge to see how that can be possible...Workington are an ex league club ffs!!! how must their fans who can remember football league days feel??
But yes I quite enjoyed coalville and Sutton Coldfield (just to experience the gloomiest ground in Britain and their band)
I would echo steve's cry for fans to come and cheer the team and the players back to the conference North and beyond....and I would echo the comments made that other positive steps need to be made but not until promotion is achieved...no distractions, promotion is the be all and end all...
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I appreciate the update Andrew.
I have read the original meeting minutes. some fantastic ideas in there, and I find it strange that there are no mention of the supporters game. I was originally invite to the meeting but then never received the location or time, hence why we couldn't have asked earlier.
I look forward to Supporters team getting a call or email from Grahame to discuss this in more details, in which I hope we can discuss in detail why the supporters team weren't included at this meeting.
Is it really within a Chairman's role to be personally arranging a supporters v staff match? On one hand you want the person in this role to focus on serious issues and moving the club forward, on the other you appear frustrated he hasn't personally been in touch regarding this game. Surely there is a chain of command that doesn't warrant this to be the Chairman's personal job to arrange.
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I appreciate the update Andrew.
I have read the original meeting minutes. some fantastic ideas in there, and I find it strange that there are no mention of the supporters game. I was originally invite to the meeting but then never received the location or time, hence why we couldn't have asked earlier.
I look forward to Supporters team getting a call or email from Grahame to discuss this in more details, in which I hope we can discuss in detail why the supporters team weren't included at this meeting.
Is it really within a Chairman's role to be personally arranging a supporters v staff match? On one hand you want the person in this role to focus on serious issues and moving the club forward, on the other you appear frustrated he hasn't personally been in touch regarding this game. Surely there is a chain of command that doesn't warrant this to be the Chairman's personal job to arrange.
As the chairman decided to host a meeting at his house, for the arrangement of the beer festival, he takes ownership of the event.
If he hasn't delegated to someone there to ask the supporters for the game, he holds responsibility
The original plan; was for Judy to arrange it (this was mentioned at NLD meeting) So I'm not sure why he's hosted the night.
I'm not arsed about me getting spoken to, but he could have spoken to Tom Jacobs, Leighton Wright, Dec Cavangh or Ecky, who've all had a hand in the supporter teams at one time or another.
My issue is if there was a planned game all along, why has nobody from that meeting reached out, or the organiser.
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I'm sure he's not forgotten that his head was being called for, albeit by a significant minority, after five minutes in the job. There has recently been suggestions on here that he threw a cup game and the club had a game called off on purpose. If he does read this forum, which he shouldn't but it's probably difficult to ignore, how do you think this 'toxic atmosphere' makes him feel in his job?
Were a significant minority calling for his head, that’s not my recollection? One person claimed the game was called off on purpose, and one or two suggested we didn’t try to hard in the trophy. If anyone feels this is discontent I think they need to get out more.
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I'm sure lots of people saw PP's tweet and like me decided not to make a big thing of it and just see what happened....I hope PP appreciates the respect his privacy was given on this matter and perhaps be a little more discrete in future.....alls well that ends well but Phil has won nothing yet...or ever.....and winning this league with alty will not be non league's biggest achievement.....I hope he really proves his worth, commits to alty until we are consolidated conference national...then he will certainly get a more worthwhile full time career move as opposed to a cartoon move to alfreton???...and he will go with best wishes and thanks ringing in his ears.....
It is not just our position in the non league pyramid that maintains a Rowley out attitude...although the fact we have to go to some of these places week in week out has never been taken accountability for.......it is things like the way people find out about staff vs supporters, stewards being sacked, fans being blamed and accused in national media and a general disgraceful air of almost contempt for certain Alty fans (normally those who put themselves forward to push the club forward) that maintains the toxic atmosphere.
Once we gain promotion the Rowley out campaign will I'm sure become more vocal.....Until then I do urge fans to come and enjoy the football and support the manager and the players....I have found this is possible to do whilst demanding change of leadership is made.
If PP is considering his position, do you feel this 'toxic atmosphere' would enter his thinking? He has come in, got Alty 10 points clear in the league, yet there is still massive animosity between the fans and the club. His boss is being slated continually (perhaps warranted in some people's eyes) as well as the rest of the board which, in any job, would make you feel uneasy in your position.
I'm sure he's not forgotten that his head was being called for, albeit by a significant minority, after five minutes in the job. There has recently been suggestions on here that he threw a cup game and the club had a game called off on purpose. If he does read this forum, which he shouldn't but it's probably difficult to ignore, how do you think this 'toxic atmosphere' makes him feel in his job?
Ludicrous suggestion. About 12 people post on this forum, as if the manager would take a few post on a fans forum to heart. Get back in the roebuck my friend.
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If 3 people out of the 12 that post, post bollox,that's 25%!
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Anyway phil is doing great up the reds
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I'm sure lots of people saw PP's tweet and like me decided not to make a big thing of it and just see what happened....I hope PP appreciates the respect his privacy was given on this matter and perhaps be a little more discrete in future.....alls well that ends well but Phil has won nothing yet...or ever.....and winning this league with alty will not be non league's biggest achievement.....I hope he really proves his worth, commits to alty until we are consolidated conference national...then he will certainly get a more worthwhile full time career move as opposed to a cartoon move to alfreton???...and he will go with best wishes and thanks ringing in his ears.....
It is not just our position in the non league pyramid that maintains a Rowley out attitude...although the fact we have to go to some of these places week in week out has never been taken accountability for.......it is things like the way people find out about staff vs supporters, stewards being sacked, fans being blamed and accused in national media and a general disgraceful air of almost contempt for certain Alty fans (normally those who put themselves forward to push the club forward) that maintains the toxic atmosphere.
Once we gain promotion the Rowley out campaign will I'm sure become more vocal.....Until then I do urge fans to come and enjoy the football and support the manager and the players....I have found this is possible to do whilst demanding change of leadership is made.
If PP is considering his position, do you feel this 'toxic atmosphere' would enter his thinking? He has come in, got Alty 10 points clear in the league, yet there is still massive animosity between the fans and the club. His boss is being slated continually (perhaps warranted in some people's eyes) as well as the rest of the board which, in any job, would make you feel uneasy in your position.
I'm sure he's not forgotten that his head was being called for, albeit by a significant minority, after five minutes in the job. There has recently been suggestions on here that he threw a cup game and the club had a game called off on purpose. If he does read this forum, which he shouldn't but it's probably difficult to ignore, how do you think this 'toxic atmosphere' makes him feel in his job?
Ludicrous suggestion. About 12 people post on this forum, as if the manager would take a few post on a fans forum to heart. Get back in the roebuck my friend.
He does read the forum. He said so himself.
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About 12 people post on this forum, as if the manager would take a few post on a fans forum to heart. Get back in the roebuck my friend.
I can't be arsed counting, but there's probably more than 12 posters on this thread alone.
PP is doing a great job, and I'm enjoying the ride while it lasts. At my age you hold on tight to the positives.
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Its easy to be glib about what Phil has already achieved since coming here
They say its easier to turn around an underperforming team rather than improve on a succesfull one but it takes the right leader of course
But that aside he has come in and brought belief and endeavour back to a side sadly lacking any
It was lovely to hear the fans singing come on alty and Parkinsons red and white army and seeing him and the players clapping the fans
Well done to Phil and his team long may it continue
Also well done to the board for finally bringing in a really strong leader to the club
One love
amen