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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Alty Dave on December 31, 2017, 10:56:15 AM
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Hopefully the game will be on due to the current form we are in.
I would keep same starting 11 as Coalville, if all fit and not fatigued.
Home win please to start the New Year.
Bring on the Alty :)
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Alty 4/6
Draw 14/5
Witton 3/1
I think Farsley will take points off shaw lane tomorrow so hopefully we can get another win
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Should be on ?lets hope we can top a 1k crowd
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3-1 to the Alty
Attendance 1095
No reason why we should not achieve our first 1000+ Gate of the season.
Team performances are superb,top of the league and deserverly so,what's not
To like about whatching Alty at the moment.
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If it's on a mucky 2-0 win. Hulme double.
Attn 867.
Same starting 11
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As above but attendance 933
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Listening to the PP interview from yesterday sounds like there will be changes.
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what's the weather doing in WA15. will he game be definitely on..
its pissing down here in Shropshire
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what's the weather doing in WA15. will he game be definitely on..
its pissing down here in Shropshire
Dry at the moment a few heavy showers forcast during the game.
Covers have been on the pitch overnight,no pitch inspection due.
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Evostik Twitter feed says all games on. That was about 15 minutes ago.
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cheers for the update
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what's the weather doing in WA15. will he game be definitely on..
its pissing down here in Shropshire
Dry at the moment a few heavy showers forcast during the game.
Covers have been on the pitch overnight,no pitch inspection due.
I thought covers couldn't help with rain
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It’s strange we’ve used frost covers when it didn’t drop lower than 4 degrees last night. ???
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Really threw that one away...we were second best in the first half, but came back really well in the second half, and took the game to Witton.
For me the real disappointment, was at 3-2, there was a real chance to bring on fresh legs, the conditions were awful and it must have been draining the energy of a number of players, who have played a lot of football recently.
Bringing Miller on, or Peers much earlier would have helped and Hannigan at the back would have surely made a difference.
PP usually gets these decisions right, but I am not sure what he was thinking today.
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At 3 2, bringing Hannigan on was obvious. I don't know why PP didn't. Shaw and Workington both got drubbed too. Looks like the weather conditions evened things up everywhere. Well done to Witton by the way - the winning goal was brilliant.
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Bummer. Terrible conditions and they wanted it more throughout the game.
Prince Haywood everywhere again. I liked him in the first game and would have been a good signing for us. Energy of Richman but more pace.
I agree with some changes but maybe not to the back 4 unless necessary. Wasn't really that impressed with White but too early to judge,especially on that pitch.
Hulme was MOTM.
Still would like to see the full backs higher up the pitch. In the first half Hampson could have overlapped on a few occasions. Dens is our best full back at getting forward.
Just my opinion but we need to be looking for a new keeper. They scored two excellent goals but Thompson makes me nervous on crosses and I think Harrison showed a lack of confidence with him by not heading the ball back to him which then led to their winning goal.
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Tom Hannigan has to play every game. Jones was awful today making a lot of mistakes and made Harrison nervous. I spoke to Hannigan at half time and he was fully fit so bemuses me why he didn't start. I trust PP but it does seem an odd one.
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Bummer. Terrible conditions and they wanted it more throughout the game.
Prince Haywood everywhere again. I liked him in the first game and would have been a good signing for us. Energy of Richman but more pace.
I agree with some changes but maybe not to the back 4 unless necessary. Wasn't really that impressed with White but too early to judge,especially on that pitch.
Hulme was MOTM.
Still would like to see the full backs higher up the pitch. In the first half Hampson could have overlapped on a few occasions. Dens is our best full back at getting forward.
Just my opinion but we need to be looking for a new keeper. They scored two excellent goals but Thompson makes me nervous on crosses and I think Harrison showed a lack of confidence with him by not heading the ball back to him which then led to their winning goal.
Probably a bit harsh on Thompson I'd say. Can't remember him doing anything particularly wrong plus he pulled off 1 or 2 very good saves..at this level I think you'd struggle to find a keeper that is strong in every department. I don't think he's a weak link in the team anyway and certainly doesn't warrant changing at this point in the season.
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Abysmal conditions but all credit to both teams for an entertaining game. Disappointing to lose but we can't win them all. Witton were more dangerous than us on the break and I thought we looked a bit off the pace in the first half certainly. Not too disheartened, games in those conditions will always throw up odd results. Glad that game was today and not last Saturday - it would have taken a lot out of the lads so at least they've got till the weekend to recharge.
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No complaints about the result as the harder working team, and the one who's playing style was more suited to the conditions, won the game. But the conditions; .... if the pitch had been like that before the start would the game have gone ahead? The ball couldn't move in the corner I was standing. Surely the rule is if the ball won't roll the pitch is unplayable?
On another point, the gap between Altrincham and Shaw Lane is the same as it was this morning, as they lost at Farsley.
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Is the pitch going to cost us more points? It won’t be getting better any time soon!
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Just got my breath back after that.
As for the conditions yes very unpleasant but no excuses,Witton were on the same pitch and simply adapted better than us.
We did all the hard work in the first twenty minutes of the second half by getting our noses in front,and then for some reason it all fell apart,for me at that stage it was time to
shut up shop,or park the bus.
Feel for Harrison today he has been a rock at the back,but today he had a real Stinker.
So the unbeaten run comes to an end,but Saturday is the next opportunity to see how the boys react,and not a given as Shaw lane found out today.
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Prior to today we had conceded 4 in 16 league games, so I’d say we definitely need a new keeper as well...
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Too many defensive errors today - Witton had few chances and scored most of them. Should we have tinkered with the back four - who knows - but we conceded four goals ?
At 3-2 it always looked like Witton had another goal in them and we should have made the changes right then to shut up shop. They looked stronger
Others lost so time to bounce back - not the first time we have lost at home to Witton
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Could have been worse. Shaw Lane were 2-0 up in thirteen minutes at Farsley, and lost 4-2.
By the time you get to NYD you've had four games in ten days. Add the conditons to the equation and today was always potentially a banana skin game.
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What a missed opportunity to move further clear that was, but we certainly got away with that today when you look at results elsewhere. They adapted to the conditions better than we did and deserved the win in my opinion. We can have no complaints.
Pains me to say that Johnston was a bit of a passenger this afternoon, he's had a very quiet run of games and I'd personally consider giving him a break at this stage. Looked tired and, at times, out of ideas. Completely agree that Hannigan would have had a positive impact on the game today and we missed a trick not bringing him on.
If there was every a day to lose our unbeaten run it would be today, on the same day as Workington. Evaluate, learn and go again next Saturday in what promises to be another tough game at Farsley.
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When teams defend wide, like Warrington and Witton did, Johnson has a quiet game. Look at the amount of space Matlock gave him. He was standing out on the wing all by himself waiting for the ball.
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Like oneedham, I really rate Witton's number 2 Prince Heywood - what a fabulous little player he is. Also, their number 7, Owen Dale. I know absolutely nothing about him, other than he ran us all over the place.
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The ref should have called it either at at ht or 2-2..
You can't have a go at anyone. Fair play to witton they wanted it badly. Judging by the celebrations by their players and fans at full time looks like they think they're safe.
As for the pitch, it's fooked. Even with the 3 away games it won't get much better. I'd seriously look at hiring Hyde or Stockport Sports
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There were a number of obvious problems today.
We changed a winning team....it may work in the Premier League, but not at this level.
The pitch was awful...same for both teams, but we made no allowances, especially passing backwards and forwards across our penalty area.
We over elaborated at the other end far too often.
We failed to make substitutions early. Hannigan for Jones most obviously.
On the upside, the pitch now has nearly 4 weeks to recover.
I only felt Thompson could have done better with the third. Generally I'm happy with him.
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There were a number of obvious problems today.
We changed a winning team....it may work in the Premier League, but not at this level.
The pitch was awful...same for both teams, but we made no allowances, especially passing backwards and forwards across our penalty area.
We over elaborated at the other end far too often.
We failed to make substitutions early. Hannigan for Jones most obviously.
On the upside, the pitch now has nearly 4 weeks to recover.
I only felt Thompson could have done better with the third. Generally I'm happy with him.
good post Phil. very much my thoughts.
FOOTNOTE.... David Birch ejected from the ground for hostile abuse to some decent Witton fans stood by me. The bloke needs banning he was physically aggressive with the Stewards...
The bloke gives Alty FC a bad name. Yes I expect the guy has problems but this was unacceptable...
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I thought both the Birch brothers were banned ?
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I thought both the Birch brothers were banned ?
No one there to enforce it.
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I thought both the Birch brothers were banned ?
They must be over 70 now
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Thought Witton just about deserved their win today, first half they just seemed to want in more especially in midfield and adapted to the conditions better than we did. Second half we came back into it but apart from the two goals I don't remember us creating many more clear chances despite all the possession and getting to the byline a few times. Witton weren't creating much themselves but when they did break they just seemed to be that bit more dangerous. Bit of a wonder goal for the fourth but to me they did seem to be the stronger team at 3 3. Not sure what can be done about the pitch over the next few weeks other than hoping it doesn't rain too much, it's the worst I've seen it for quite a few years.
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I thought both the Birch brothers were banned ?
just Dennis is currently banned, as far as I'm aware
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Thought Witton just about deserved their win today, first half they just seemed to want in more especially in midfield and adapted to the conditions better than we did. Second half we came back into it but apart from the two goals I don't remember us creating many more clear chances despite all the possession and getting to the byline a few times. Witton weren't creating much themselves but when they did break they just seemed to be that bit more dangerous. Bit of a wonder goal for the fourth but to me they did seem to be the stronger team at 3 3. Not sure what can be done about the pitch over the next few weeks other than hoping it doesn't rain too much, it's the worst I've seen it for quite a few years.
thank heavens we have the sprinklers now .
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Thought Witton just about deserved their win today, first half they just seemed to want in more especially in midfield and adapted to the conditions better than we did. Second half we came back into it but apart from the two goals I don't remember us creating many more clear chances despite all the possession and getting to the byline a few times. Witton weren't creating much themselves but when they did break they just seemed to be that bit more dangerous. Bit of a wonder goal for the fourth but to me they did seem to be the stronger team at 3 3. Not sure what can be done about the pitch over the next few weeks other than hoping it doesn't rain too much, it's the worst I've seen it for quite a few years.
thank heavens we have the sprinklers now .
Top tease of the year so far
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I thought both the Birch brothers were banned ?
just Dennis is currently banned, as far as I'm aware
Correct
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Dreadful first half, worst ive seen us play under PP, but a great reaction and show of character to get ourselves in a winning position. The last 10 minutes showed a naivety in our team. We should have closed the game down instead of trying to play passing football on a pitch that was clearly not fit for this and subsequently losing the possession in key areas. Is it just me or is Jake Moult a passenger in this team? He's slow, drops too deep and his distribution apart from the occasional 40 yard cross field ping is awful. Why wasn't he or Simon Richman picking the ball up off the centre halfs in the first half to start the moves going?
Also where is Max Harrop?
Jordan Hulme was excellent again with very limited service.
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Thought Witton just about deserved their win today, first half they just seemed to want in more especially in midfield and adapted to the conditions better than we did. Second half we came back into it but apart from the two goals I don't remember us creating many more clear chances despite all the possession and getting to the byline a few times. Witton weren't creating much themselves but when they did break they just seemed to be that bit more dangerous. Bit of a wonder goal for the fourth but to me they did seem to be the stronger team at 3 3. Not sure what can be done about the pitch over the next few weeks other than hoping it doesn't rain too much, it's the worst I've seen it for quite a few years.
thank heavens we have the sprinklers now .
Top tease of the year so far
I'll take it even though it's day 1 of 2018
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Thought Witton just about deserved their win today, first half they just seemed to want in more especially in midfield and adapted to the conditions better than we did. Second half we came back into it but apart from the two goals I don't remember us creating many more clear chances despite all the possession and getting to the byline a few times. Witton weren't creating much themselves but when they did break they just seemed to be that bit more dangerous. Bit of a wonder goal for the fourth but to me they did seem to be the stronger team at 3 3. Not sure what can be done about the pitch over the next few weeks other than hoping it doesn't rain too much, it's the worst I've seen it for quite a few years.
thank heavens we have the sprinklers now .
Top tease of the year so far
I'll take it even though it's day 1 of 2018
It’s only day 1 of 365 Wayno...
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Thought Witton just about deserved their win today, first half they just seemed to want in more especially in midfield and adapted to the conditions better than we did. Second half we came back into it but apart from the two goals I don't remember us creating many more clear chances despite all the possession and getting to the byline a few times. Witton weren't creating much themselves but when they did break they just seemed to be that bit more dangerous. Bit of a wonder goal for the fourth but to me they did seem to be the stronger team at 3 3. Not sure what can be done about the pitch over the next few weeks other than hoping it doesn't rain too much, it's the worst I've seen it for quite a few years.
thank heavens we have the sprinklers now .
Top tease of the year so far
I'll take it even though it's day 1 of 2018
It’s only day 1 of 365 Wayno...
plenty of time to tease
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Most of you are magnanimous in defeat yesterday. I thought it was a great advert for non-league football on a very wet New Years Day & credit to the referee for getting through the 90-odd minutes. I don't fancy the groundstaff's job now though.
I thought we wanted it more - too many of your star players didn't fancy it (were Poole & Hancock playing?) whereas in the glorious sunshine back in August you played us off the park. Goes to show that you've got to compete whatever the weather.
Nice to be able to go to an original ground, have a thousand speccies in, great atmosphere, no aggro (oh yes, you have you own topic on that) & a great game + from my perspective a good result.
You might be playing in a "tinpot league" but you'll only get out of it if you show up. Workington, Shaw Lane & Grantham will look at your result yesterday & fancy their chances.
GE
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Most of you are magnanimous in defeat yesterday. I thought it was a great advert for non-league football on a very wet New Years Day & credit to the referee for getting through the 90-odd minutes. I don't fancy the groundstaff's job now though.
I thought we wanted it more - too many of your star players didn't fancy it (were Poole & Hancock playing?) whereas in the glorious sunshine back in August you played us off the park. Goes to show that you've got to compete whatever the weather.
Nice to be able to go to an original ground, have a thousand speccies in, great atmosphere, no aggro (oh yes, you have you own topic on that) & a great game + from my perspective a good result.
You might be playing in a "tinpot league" but you'll only get out of it if you show up. Workington, Shaw Lane & Grantham will look at your result yesterday & fancy their chances.
GE
I fancy ourselves more against Shaw Lane now then ever before. Workington lost at home to a side without a win in 13.
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Most of you are magnanimous in defeat yesterday. I thought it was a great advert for non-league football on a very wet New Years Day & credit to the referee for getting through the 90-odd minutes. I don't fancy the groundstaff's job now though.
I thought we wanted it more - too many of your star players didn't fancy it (were Poole & Hancock playing?) whereas in the glorious sunshine back in August you played us off the park. Goes to show that you've got to compete whatever the weather.
Nice to be able to go to an original ground, have a thousand speccies in, great atmosphere, no aggro (oh yes, you have you own topic on that) & a great game + from my perspective a good result.
You might be playing in a "tinpot league" but you'll only get out of it if you show up. Workington, Shaw Lane & Grantham will look at your result yesterday & fancy their chances.
GE
Your team clearly adapted to the conditions better than ours and scored three excellent goals, albeit the winner from an uncharacteristic defensive mistake on our part. For us to concede as many goals in 90 mins as we've done in the preceding 16 games points to an exceptional afternoon - I don't think it's sour grapes to say it owed at least as much to the atrocious conditions as it did to your team. For our part I think we have to accept that the brand of passing football our team play which currently sees us with the best attack, the best defence and the most points, means we perhaps don't have the best personnel for the paddy field that was the Moss Lane pitch yesterday. Your team did, so again congratulations. As for the chasing pack, I'll back our team against anyone on a football pitch and there'll be many more of those between now and April as opposed to what we saw yesterday.
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Alty have the best squad in the league. Admirer of Parkinson for the way he always sets his team up to play football.
Hoping it's not his downfall - Nantwich were great to watch last season, top at Christmas but fell away badly. Between Jan and march physicality and route one replaces skill. The teams that can adapt best usually come strong. The pitches get worse and the fixture backlog created by postponements doesn't give any recovery time. Dodgy pitches to start with and part time ground staff.
Still think Alty have too much for the other teams in terms of depth but it is a concern.
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The highlights are on Youtube. The pitch looks a lot better than it actually was in reality.
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You should have the best squad in the league - you allegedly also have the best budget???
GE
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You should have the best squad in the league - you allegedly also have the best budget???
GE
Agreed.
Despite being relegated two seasons running from the Conference National (having finished mid table the season before) we still generate the largest home crowds in the division and despite not being a 'bankrolled' club, I still expect that we will have a very competitive playing budget as a result.
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You should have the best squad in the league - you allegedly also have the best budget???
GE
Agreed.
Despite being relegated two seasons running from the Conference National (having finished mid table the season before) we still generate the largest home crowds in the division and despite not being a 'bankrolled' club, I still expect that we will have a very competitive playing budget as a result.
There’s no “I expect” really Mick. The club have already informed us they have overspent to get us out of this league st the first attempt, (And rightly so in my eyes.) This makes it even more imperative that we do win promotion as champions. To not do so would be the clubs biggest ever failure and, given the last 2 and a half years, thats a pretty spectacular thing to even contemplate.
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You should have the best squad in the league - you allegedly also have the best budget???
GE
"Allegedly"?
We are (debt-free) Altrincham FC playing in the Evo-Stik League. If we didn't have the best squad in the league, and the best budget, it would be an absolute outrage.
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I can't see our budget being bigger than Shaw Lane or Warrington to name but 2
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"Allegedly"?
We are (debt-free) Altrincham FC playing in the Evo-Stik League. If we didn't have the best squad in the league, and the best budget, it would be an absolute outrage.
This comment could be OTT. If you are comparing us on the basis of club size/gates and normal income maybe,....but bankrolled clubs dont qualify !
Also,... Stourbridge have slightly higher home gates than us too and recently got a lot of FA cup money.
Shaw Lane are bankrolled for sure, not aware of any others though at present.
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I doubt very much we’ve risked emptying the piggy bank to be outspent by the likes of Warrington and Shaw Lane. Even if they do have a local businessman putting a few quid in, neither of them have anywhere near the same financial clout as other recent Evo-Stik winners.
And squad-wise, we are miles ahead of both of them.
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Some interesting sensible opinions / valid points following GE's best budget post..............without knowing the money being spent at Shaw Lane etc, I guess we can only speculate on budgets. Squad quality is also subjective, but the facts are we have the most points, have scored the most goals and conceded the fewest goals. We should fear no team.
Matt's point is something we should be thankful for this season. There is no Fylde or Fleetwood type club paying L2 wages. Hence this just has to be the season to win this league
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Warrington Town supporters at the last match at Cantilever Park were telling me that they believed they, funded by a local company, had the biggest budget in the league, but that Carden was wasting it by employing mates and relations.
However, one of them thought that Paul Carden was employing his son and not his brother, Adam, which reminds to take any such statements with.a pinch of salt, and just evidence of bravado or people trying to show their secret knowledge. I have no secret, or probably any other, knowledge, but I would be surprised if we don't have the biggest budget.
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Tough league to escape from. This is the season to do it.
Last 3 years stourbridge and Workington have hit top form as the pitches deteriorate, a definite pattern. This year they are too far behind in my opinion as they were last year - stourbridge have lost some quality players and the Workington squad is far too small this year despite having quality, struggling to put 3 subs out on occasions.
Been watching the brilliant documentary on Salford city. How did hulme end up joining Alty? Thought he had signed a full time contract. Is the real deal at this level. Poole though doesn't seem to be the player he was.