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Title: Warrington
Post by: MarpleAlty on January 16, 2018, 10:32:25 AM
I was half-tempted to go over to their Trophy game tonight, but it looks like the weather's going to be atrocious (again)...

What's their pitch generally like?  Is it likely to be on, given the weather we've had overnight?
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on January 16, 2018, 12:48:35 PM
It held up well for the league game there as the weather had been/was dreadful
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Brian Flynn on January 16, 2018, 01:59:21 PM
I was half-tempted to go over to their Trophy game tonight, but it looks like the weather's going to be atrocious (again)...

What's their pitch generally like?  Is it likely to be on, given the weather we've had overnight?

When we played there in October, the forecast during the week was for a lot of rain in the days leading up to the match & I called their secretary on the Thursday night to find out the chances of the game taking place. He advised me that their pitch drained really well & that they hadn't had a match called off at Cantilever Park, due to waterlogging,for a long time.The pitch held up very well that day, which has to have been one of the wettest of last year, so there is probably every chance that the game will go ahead.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: PaulClementsLaments on January 16, 2018, 02:37:24 PM
Weather in Warrington right now is not unlike that of the October league game. Its just a lot colder!
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: bighairedmike on January 16, 2018, 04:16:53 PM
It’s currently minus 4 and snowing in Gdansk if that helps.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: EX GK on January 16, 2018, 07:00:43 PM
Think of the lads from Weston Super Mare travelling to Workington, and the weather forecast for later, what a journey!!
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: GB Alty on January 16, 2018, 07:04:14 PM
Lets scrap the trophy the travelling is to much

Infact lets scrap all nationalised sport it's a farce, bring back the Cheshire League and we can travel by horse and cart as well
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: GB Alty on January 16, 2018, 07:05:47 PM
Nobody wins at Workington (or Whitby) either
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on January 16, 2018, 07:07:27 PM
Lets scrap the trophy the travelling is to much

Infact lets scrap all nationalised sport it's a farce, bring back the Cheshire League and we can travel by horse and cart as well

Not enough horses and carts, although I suspect you have a stockpile of pony and trap........excellent idea.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on January 16, 2018, 07:18:27 PM
Can we bring back laced up leather casey footballs too and proper tackling and ....and......?

Let's happy clap our way back in time.....top notch thinking that man.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Nom de plume on January 16, 2018, 08:03:55 PM
Lets scrap the trophy the travelling is to much

Infact lets scrap all nationalised sport it's a farce, bring back the Cheshire League and we can travel by horse and cart as well
The Cheshire League was International. We went to Bangor 😬
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on January 16, 2018, 08:18:40 PM
Lets scrap the trophy the travelling is to much

Infact lets scrap all nationalised sport it's a farce, bring back the Cheshire League and we can travel by horse and cart as well
The Cheshire League was International. We went to Bangor 😬
And didn't we have a lovely time?
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Sale Holmfield on January 16, 2018, 08:51:57 PM
Think of the lads from Weston Super Mare travelling to Workington, and the weather forecast for later, what a journey!!

I believe Weston wanted the original match to be played to a finish with extra-time and penalties, but Workington, as is completely their right, didn't want to give up home advantage in a possible replay. Good to see somebody taking the Trophy seriously.
Weston then objected to Workington's plans to stay overnight before the game, which I think the home team funds, and then managed to forget, no doubt by accident, to put a stamp on the envelope in which they sent the complimentary tickets up to Workington.
I have heard all this from the Workington side, so there may be some bias, but relations between the clubs,unlike many of these long-distance ties, are not good.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: robininstockport on January 16, 2018, 09:13:44 PM
Warrington 2-0 up
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: TheGolfRoadView on January 16, 2018, 09:20:44 PM
And Workington 2 1 up as well. Good for Alty if both keep having league games postponed for the Trophy
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: robininstockport on January 16, 2018, 09:26:52 PM
In front of 334
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: oneedham on January 16, 2018, 09:31:59 PM
Warrington are the team I worry about.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Sale Holmfield on January 16, 2018, 09:37:16 PM
Warrington are the team I worry about.

With a 10 point gap,I am not really worried about anyone, but I do cast the odd glance over my shoulder in Workington's direction. They put 5 past us, and have gone storming up the table after a slow start.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: robininstockport on January 16, 2018, 09:42:47 PM
I worry about Shaw Lane, Warrington, Grantham, Workington,Ashton and us.

Nightmares abound
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Alty5678 on January 16, 2018, 09:49:59 PM
Warrington are the team I worry about.

With a 10 point gap,I am not really worried about anyone, but I do cast the odd glance over my shoulder in Workington's direction. They put 5 past us, and have gone storming up the table after a slow start.

Workington are 13 points behind having played the same number of games. We have only dropped 14 points in the last 20 games, with 19 games to go (11 at home) I think you can let that slight worry go.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: JTH on January 16, 2018, 10:05:03 PM
Still see Shaw Lane as the main rivals, if only because they'll be one point behind if they win their ever increasing games in hand and we've to play them twice. Warrington's progress might result in another blank Saturday for them adding to their fixture congestion as that was the game due to be played on FAT R3 day.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Alty Bri on January 16, 2018, 10:14:35 PM
I half worry about Warrington. They have blanked us twice and did us over in the cup - they've also kept pace with us while we've been winning. Shaw struggle away and Workington have again left it too late.
My greatest concern (more than any of our rivals), is the state of our pitch.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: HashtagAlty on January 16, 2018, 10:26:17 PM
I half worry about Warrington. They have blanked us twice and did us over in the cup - they've also kept pace with us while we've been winning. Shaw struggle away and Workington have again left it too late.
My greatest concern (more than any of our rivals), is the state of our pitch.

We struggled at their place, granted. But the game at home we barely got out of first gear. I would have fully expected to beat them comfortbaly had we drawn Ashton at home rather than Ebbsfleet. Only Hulme seemed to turn up that night.

The pitch is our biggest killer. With the points gap and games in hand, We could - if we can afford to cash flow wise - spread our games out till March and April with a few postponement.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on January 16, 2018, 10:37:30 PM
Warrington come to Alty the Saturday before what will be the biggest game in their history apart from the Exeter Game and go down to Wealdstone the day we play mickleover at home. After Saturday we will have only 7 Away games left, In January, in a 46 game season. We probably need ten wins if Warrington and shaw lane fail to beat us. We’ve just got to focus on ourselves
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on January 16, 2018, 10:41:47 PM
And I hope the league don’t do something stupid like ask us to postpone the Warrington game to give them a full week to prepare for the trophy fixture
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: robininstockport on January 16, 2018, 10:46:22 PM
The league don't ask though, they tell. And that's a frightening thought
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Alty Dave on January 16, 2018, 11:20:16 PM
We just need to focus on what were doing in the league and grinding out the results until we get to where we want to be. Its in our own hands now because we have earnt that right thus far. Parky as he said needs to keep the team focused, which they currently are.

Good luck to Warrington in the trophy, they themselves have done very well thus far this season.

Just need to take each game at a time, all games are key, but the games against Shaw Lane and Warrington  and other teams around us are real "six pointers"

Come on you Robins
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: distancetraveller on January 16, 2018, 11:28:04 PM
The state of our pitch will be the biggest threat to our hopes, I think on football ability we are very good.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: MarpleAlty on January 17, 2018, 08:17:47 AM
I must admit I'm quite impressed they manage to get all their games on - there wasn't even a doubt across their media yesterday. It's probably worth a few points a season to them too.

I assume this is more down to the local geography than anything in particular that we could be doing with our own pitch.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: roytonmike on January 17, 2018, 08:53:50 AM
The state of our pitch will be the biggest threat to our hopes, I think on football ability we are very good.
Agree absolutely.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on January 17, 2018, 09:11:44 AM
The state of our pitch will be the biggest threat to our hopes, I think on football ability we are very good.
Agree absolutely.
By the time we play Warrington the pitch will have had 26 days to recover from the Witton game. I know the weather is crap but I think we're worrying a bit too much.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on January 17, 2018, 09:19:36 AM
Still see Shaw Lane as the main rivals, if only because they'll be one point behind if they win their ever increasing games in hand and we've to play them twice. Warrington's progress might result in another blank Saturday for them adding to their fixture congestion as that was the game due to be played on FAT R3 day.
The League will probably send Shaw Lane to Stourbridge, who should  be at home to Workington. That game is actually scheduled a fortnight later.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: GB Alty on January 17, 2018, 09:44:08 AM
I half worry about Warrington. They have blanked us twice and did us over in the cup - they've also kept pace with us while we've been winning. Shaw struggle away and Workington have again left it too late.
My greatest concern (more than any of our rivals), is the state of our pitch.

We struggled at their place, granted. But the game at home we barely got out of first gear. I would have fully expected to beat them comfortbaly had we drawn Ashton at home rather than Ebbsfleet. Only Hulme seemed to turn up that night.

The pitch is our biggest killer. With the points gap and games in hand, We could - if we can afford to cash flow wise - spread our games out till March and April with a few postponement.

You saying that we threw the replay because we didn't fancy a long trip to Ebbsfleet, or that PP couldn't motivate the team for a long trip to Ebbsfleet?

Whichever it doesn't bode well for the future, add to that we've lost our furthest two trips this season and drew the other (Workington, Shildon, Whitby)

Incidentally if we threw the game PP should be sacked
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on January 17, 2018, 09:59:26 AM
Credit to Beez for the stats below on points to win the title . Ten wins avoiding defeat to Warrington shaw lane and Grantham would be enough in my opinion

Since it changed to 46 games....

16/17 1st blyth (105) 2nd spennymoor (87)

15/16 1st darlington (104) 2nd blyth (99)

14/15 1st fc united (92) 2nd workington (90)

13/14 1st chorley (97) 2nd fc united (96).

Our remaining games in home and away columns rather than date order are

WARRINGTON
MICKLEOVER
ASHTON
SHAW LANE
SUTTON COL
STOURBRIDGE
WORKINGTON
STALYBRIDGE
MARINE
BARWELL
HEDNESFORD

stourbridge
buxton
ashton
shaw lane
halesowen
rushall
lancaster
grantham

GRANTHAM

STOURBRIDGE
WITTON
WARRINGTON
HEDNESFORD
NANTWICH
BARWELL
SHAW LANE
MICKLEOVER
ALTRINCHAM

stalybridge
barwell
shaw lane
lancaster
whitby
nantwich
warrington
stafford
workington
sutton c

WARRINGTON

LANCASTER
HEDNESFORD
SHAW LANE
STALYBRIDGE
MICKLEOVER
NANTWICH
BARWELL
GRANTHAM
WITTON
WORKINGTON
HALESOWEN

altrincham
matlock
sutton c
hednesford
grantham
stafford
stalybridge
whitby
nantwich
farsley
stourbidge

SHAW LANE

HALESOWEN
ASHTON
GRANTHAM
MARINE
STALYBRIDGE
COALVILLE
ALTRINCHAM
SUTTON
NANTWICH
BARWELL
LANCASTER
MATLOCK

marine
warrington
coalville
altrincham
stourbridge
nantwich
witton
workington
grantham
rushall
stafford

ASHTON

STAFFORD
STOURBRIDGE
COALVILLE
ALTRINCHAM
STALYBRIDGE
HALESOWEN
WITTON
MICKLEOVER
WHITBY
NANTWICH

shaw lane
rushall
altrincham
lancaster
barwell
matlock
stourbridge
buxton
stalybridge
halesowen
workington
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: HashtagAlty on January 17, 2018, 10:04:18 AM
I half worry about Warrington. They have blanked us twice and did us over in the cup - they've also kept pace with us while we've been winning. Shaw struggle away and Workington have again left it too late.
My greatest concern (more than any of our rivals), is the state of our pitch.

We struggled at their place, granted. But the game at home we barely got out of first gear. I would have fully expected to beat them comfortbaly had we drawn Ashton at home rather than Ebbsfleet. Only Hulme seemed to turn up that night.

The pitch is our biggest killer. With the points gap and games in hand, We could - if we can afford to cash flow wise - spread our games out till March and April with a few postponement.

You saying that we threw the replay because we didn't fancy a long trip to Ebbsfleet, or that PP couldn't motivate the team for a long trip to Ebbsfleet?

Whichever it doesn't bode well for the future, add to that we've lost our furthest two trips this season and drew the other (Workington, Shildon, Whitby)

Incidentally if we threw the game PP should be sacked

I'm saying I think certain players seemed more lethargic, less engaged and less on-point.

Whether that was after a heavy pitch 2 days earlier, or whether players didnt fancy playing ebbsfleet, only they can answer that.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: andrewflynn on January 17, 2018, 10:34:15 AM
The players and management will have wanted to progress in the Trophy. Look at the strength of the sides we've put out for the Cheshire Cup and tell me we don't give all competitions a go. We sat back far too much in the last 20 of that game and paid the price.

I'm gutted we're out of the Trophy and I'm not entirely sure I buy into the mindset of it being a 'good thing.' I think its funny how awful of a journey Ebbsfleet became to some once we were knocked out and didn't have to do it. Its easy to say that from this side of the fence. Warrington have proven it was a winnable draw and they've been rewarded with another winnable game at Wealdstone, in a last sixteen that looks quite beatable overall in my opinion.

I understand that the league is our fundamental priority, but who are we as fans of Altrincham FC to not be bothered about progression in any competition? We've won f**k all in forever and I was surprised by the lack of disappointment after the exit. Another year goes by.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: bighairedmike on January 17, 2018, 11:01:44 AM
The players and management will have wanted to progress in the Trophy. Look at the strength of the sides we've put out for the Cheshire Cup and tell me we don't give all competitions a go. We sat back far too much in the last 20 of that game and paid the price.

I'm gutted we're out of the Trophy and I'm not entirely sure I buy into the mindset of it being a 'good thing.' I think its funny how awful of a journey Ebbsfleet became to some once we were knocked out and didn't have to do it. Its easy to say that from this side of the fence. Warrington have proven it was a winnable draw and they've been rewarded with another winnable game at Wealdstone, in a last sixteen that looks quite beatable overall in my opinion.

I understand that the league is our fundamental priority, but who are we as fans of Altrincham FC to not be bothered about progression in any competition? We've won f**k all in forever and I was surprised by the lack of disappointment after the exit. Another year goes by.

Absolutely spot on.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on January 17, 2018, 11:11:42 AM
There is only one priority this season - to make sure we win this league outright. Cup competitions are therefore a distraction.

Next season we have to aim for at least the playoffs in National North. A Trophy run then would also be potentially disruptive (a run to Round 3 of the FA Cup is quite a different matter).

I seriously am not too bothered about going to Wembley until such time as we complete the two essential promotions.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on January 17, 2018, 11:16:50 AM
The above contains all the remaining fixtures of the top five
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: ManagementGuru on January 17, 2018, 02:13:56 PM
I agree with all those who say we keep our focus on ourselves only, and what we need to do to win the league outright.  The Grantham manager told me at Coalville that his head drops a little more every time he looks at the results and sees Alty have won again (and I am sure that is true of the other chasers too).

But something that may stand us in further good stead is the tightness of the playoff situation.  Three points cover 3rd to 8th as Ashton, Hednesford and Farsley have gone on good runs.  Farlsey showed us what can happen  - our win there is bookmarked by them beating Shaw lane and drawing at Grantham.  The chasing pack will drop points against each other - which can only help
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: andrewflynn on January 17, 2018, 02:16:14 PM
There is only one priority this season - to make sure we win this league outright. Cup competitions are therefore a distraction.

Next season we have to aim for at least the playoffs in National North. A Trophy run then would also be potentially disruptive (a run to Round 3 of the FA Cup is quite a different matter).

I seriously am not too bothered about going to Wembley until such time as we complete the two essential promotions.

Speak for yourself!
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on January 17, 2018, 02:25:06 PM
There is only one priority this season - to make sure we win this league outright. Cup competitions are therefore a distraction.

Next season we have to aim for at least the playoffs in National North. A Trophy run then would also be potentially disruptive (a run to Round 3 of the FA Cup is quite a different matter).

I seriously am not too bothered about going to Wembley until such time as we complete the two essential promotions.

Speak for yourself!

He clearly did, hence the "I" in the above statement.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: roytonmike on January 17, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
The state of our pitch will be the biggest threat to our hopes, I think on football ability we are very good.
Agree absolutely.
By the time we play Warrington the pitch will have had 26 days to recover from the Witton game. I know the weather is crap but I think we're worrying a bit too much.
I understand that Man U are scheduled to have a game at Moss Lane this evening (U18 level?) - I hope if that's true that the game is called off, given the present weather. If the pitch is being used by other clubs - even so august an institution as Prawn Sandwich Glazer FC - I don't necessarily think we are worrying too much.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Sale Holmfield on January 17, 2018, 03:48:03 PM
The state of our pitch will be the biggest threat to our hopes, I think on football ability we are very good.
Agree absolutely.
By the time we play Warrington the pitch will have had 26 days to recover from the Witton game. I know the weather is crap but I think we're worrying a bit too much.
I understand that Man U are scheduled to have a game at Moss Lane this evening (U18 level?) - I hope if that's true that the game is called off, given the present weather. If the pitch is being used by other clubs - even so august an institution as Prawn Sandwich Glazer FC - I don't necessarily think we are worrying too much.

I have heard it has been called off. I think it was U15s, actually.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: andrewflynn on January 17, 2018, 04:12:25 PM
The state of our pitch will be the biggest threat to our hopes, I think on football ability we are very good.
Agree absolutely.
By the time we play Warrington the pitch will have had 26 days to recover from the Witton game. I know the weather is crap but I think we're worrying a bit too much.
I understand that Man U are scheduled to have a game at Moss Lane this evening (U18 level?) - I hope if that's true that the game is called off, given the present weather. If the pitch is being used by other clubs - even so august an institution as Prawn Sandwich Glazer FC - I don't necessarily think we are worrying too much.

I have heard it has been called off. I think it was U15s, actually.

I was going to say, surely that'll be off...
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Fairfield Alty on January 17, 2018, 04:13:39 PM
One suggestion our game with Warrington Town could be pulled to give them a full week to prepare for Wealdstone, unlikely. Probably if
we were playing them on the Tuesday evening. Warrington Town also have catch up games in Cheshire Senior Cup, Winsford United next
Monday and against Lancaster City in the Integro Cup date doesn't appear to have been decided yet.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Toff Apple on January 17, 2018, 05:35:27 PM
Like that shaw lane, warrington and workington still got to play each other, cant all win
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Sarf London Alty on January 17, 2018, 07:20:58 PM
Understand it’s that time of the year when the permutations begin to get worked on. For me though you look at the odds, you could get 4/5 on us to win the league a week ago, that’s come way in to 5/9 and SLA now out to 5/1. No one else is considered plausible in the betting. A lot of money (for this level anyway) was clearly lumped on us last weekend. I’m not concerned, I think we’ll end up winning it by 6-8 points.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: MarpleAlty on January 18, 2018, 08:24:48 AM
I agree with all those who say we keep our focus on ourselves only, and what we need to do to win the league outright.  The Grantham manager told me at Coalville that his head drops a little more every time he looks at the results and sees Alty have won again (and I am sure that is true of the other chasers too).

But something that may stand us in further good stead is the tightness of the playoff situation.  Three points cover 3rd to 8th as Ashton, Hednesford and Farsley have gone on good runs.  Farlsey showed us what can happen  - our win there is bookmarked by them beating Shaw lane and drawing at Grantham.  The chasing pack will drop points against each other - which can only help

I think that Farsley comparison was huge - and our opposition will have noted that as you say.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: MarpleAlty on January 18, 2018, 08:56:49 AM
Do Warrington have any kind of fan's forum?  The only one I can find seemed to stop in 2016  ???
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: HashtagAlty on January 18, 2018, 09:32:13 AM
Do Warrington have any kind of fan's forum?  The only one I can find seemed to stop in 2016  ???

Few clubs have them at this level.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on January 18, 2018, 01:30:09 PM
Do Warrington have any kind of fan's forum?  The only one I can find seemed to stop in 2016  ???

Few clubs have them at this level.
Some of them barely have fans.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: JTH on January 18, 2018, 02:17:08 PM
Still see Shaw Lane as the main rivals, if only because they'll be one point behind if they win their ever increasing games in hand and we've to play them twice. Warrington's progress might result in another blank Saturday for them adding to their fixture congestion as that was the game due to be played on FAT R3 day.
The League will probably send Shaw Lane to Stourbridge, who should  be at home to Workington. That game is actually scheduled a fortnight later.

Spot on

http://www.stourbridgefc.com/teams/61056/news/changes-to-our-february-fixtures-announced-2151923.html
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Jezza on January 18, 2018, 02:35:46 PM
For those who are horrified some alty fans like me are not bothered about the trophy this (and only this) season......

....so you'd rather be in warrington's position?........in with a chance of both trophy and promotion via play offs.....or ours 10 points clear at top of league.

Next season we will have a few bigger sides in this league, we will do well to make the play offs....we have to make sure this season.....BE ALL AND END ALL.

Let warrington win the trophy......let us win the league and then next season go for 3rd round of the fa cup and semis in the trophy and promotion...nothing less will do...

Anyone who doesn't think a fixture back log or injuries would result from a trophy run is taking this league far too much for granted....and lets face it, warrington will probably go out in quarters or semi, AND who looks back fondly at some our semi defeats?? NOT WORTH IT!!!
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: andrewflynn on January 18, 2018, 02:38:24 PM
For those who are horrified some alty fans like me are not bothered about the trophy this (and only this) season......

....so you'd rather be in warrington's position?........in with a chance of both trophy and promotion via play offs.....or ours 10 points clear at top of league.

Next season we will have a few bigger sides in this league, we will do well to make the play offs....we have to make sure this season.....BE ALL AND END ALL.

Let warrington win the trophy......let us win the league and then next season go for 3rd round of the fa cup and semis in the trophy and promotion...nothing less will do...

Anyone who doesn't think a fixture back log or injuries would result from a trophy run is taking this league far too much for granted....and lets face it, warrington will probably go out in quarters or semi, AND who looks back fondly at some our semi defeats?? NOT WORTH IT!!!

Warrington have a squad of around 15. We have a squad of 20+. We could have managed the Trophy much better than they have.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: CB on January 18, 2018, 04:34:37 PM

Let warrington win the trophy......let us win the league and then next season go for 3rd round of the fa cup and semis in the trophy and promotion...nothing less will do...


Except next year some people will still say they want to concentrate on the league/promotion/avoiding relegation, rather than giving it a go in the cups.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on January 18, 2018, 04:52:50 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if we all thought exactly the same way it would be a very boring world indeed.

For what it's worth I actually agree with Jezza on this as far as this year is concerned. The league is an absolute must, whilst the cups are a 'nice to have', a luxury if you will.

Winning the league next year (assuming we do go up), is an entirely different proposition as are our other aspirations. All clubs prioritise based on their circumstances at the time, whatever level you play at.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: andrewflynn on January 18, 2018, 04:56:22 PM

Let warrington win the trophy......let us win the league and then next season go for 3rd round of the fa cup and semis in the trophy and promotion...nothing less will do...


Except next year some people will still say they want to concentrate on the league/promotion/avoiding relegation, rather than giving it a go in the cups.

...and if we were in the National League then people will say that its a distraction from survival. I don't get the mindset. What's the point of supporting us if you're happy to go out of a competition?

As I said above, as fans of Altrincham FC who on earth are we to start saying a competition isn't worth our time? Our priority should always be to assemble a squad that is capable of fighting on all fronts, especially at this level where we have won games without breaking a sweat.

The fact is that there will always be some league circumstance at the forefront of the season, but that shouldn't be a reason to sack off the FA Trophy (unless we really are up sh*t creek for whatever reason.) So I put to you, are we in a bad way this season? Do you think we wouldn't have been able to manage the extra games? Even with our practically fully fit squad of 20+ players that wins almost every week. It was a huge disappointment not to progress in the Trophy this year and I'll reiterate, I find the lack of disappointment bewildering.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: AltySupporter on January 18, 2018, 07:19:56 PM
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The fact is that there will always be some league circumstance at the forefront of the season, but that shouldn't be a reason to sack off the FA Trophy (unless we really are up sh*t creek for whatever reason.) So I put to you, are we in a bad way this season? Do you think we wouldn't have been able to manage the extra games? Even with our practically fully fit squad of 20+ players that wins almost every week. It was a huge disappointment not to progress in the Trophy this year and I'll reiterate, I find the lack of disappointment bewildering.

I think we were all gutted to go out of the trophy at the time, its just that its a month ago now and that has tempered the disappointed. Having been to all 3 Wembley finals Alty have been in I know what a great occasion it is and one that is long overdue for the club.

Col.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on January 18, 2018, 10:05:24 PM

Let warrington win the trophy......let us win the league and then next season go for 3rd round of the fa cup and semis in the trophy and promotion...nothing less will do...


Except next year some people will still say they want to concentrate on the league/promotion/avoiding relegation, rather than giving it a go in the cups.

...and if we were in the National League then people will say that its a distraction from survival. I don't get the mindset. What's the point of supporting us if you're happy to go out of a competition?

As I said above, as fans of Altrincham FC who on earth are we to start saying a competition isn't worth our time? Our priority should always be to assemble a squad that is capable of fighting on all fronts, especially at this level where we have won games without breaking a sweat.

The fact is that there will always be some league circumstance at the forefront of the season, but that shouldn't be a reason to sack off the FA Trophy (unless we really are up sh*t creek for whatever reason.) So I put to you, are we in a bad way this season? Do you think we wouldn't have been able to manage the extra games? Even with our practically fully fit squad of 20+ players that wins almost every week. It was a huge disappointment not to progress in the Trophy this year and I'll reiterate, I find the lack of disappointment bewildering.

I don't believe anyone is "happy" to go out of the Trophy and to suggest they were is somewhat disingenuous. Also to suggest that it's not worth supporting the team for having a somewhat different viewpoint than yourself is at the very least condescending. I don't like us losing any game, but I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over us exiting the CSC or the Intercockwomble League Cup or whatever it's called. Sure, I would like us to have progressed further in the Trophy (and I'm another who is lucky enough to have been to Wembley 3 times with Alty), but overall I will be more than happy to get out of this league, regroup and see where we go from there (the boardroom situation is another matter entirely of course).

Teams at the top of the Premiership have huge squads and huge resources, but they still put out weakened sides in the cup competitions (except Europe obviously). It has nothing to do with being "up sh*t creek".

Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion as others are entitled to theirs.

One love, one Alty, occasionally differing viewpoints.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: MarpleAlty on January 19, 2018, 08:22:53 AM
Can I offer a different viewpoint?

I think it shows how far we have mended as fans, in addition to the team, after the heartache of the last couple of years - that we can start being pragmatic about things again.

Not one person would have been happy to exit the Trophy - it still means so much to all of us. Warrington are a decent outfit, capable of beating us on their day. And yes, we're great (at this level) but not infallible.

Thankfully when some of our fans were getting on PP's back after the indifferent start to the season, he was mature enough to realise what we'd all been through (as was noted at the time).
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: bighairedmike on January 19, 2018, 10:10:16 AM
Can I offer a different viewpoint?

I think it shows how far we have mended as fans, in addition to the team, after the heartache of the last couple of years - that we can start being pragmatic about things again.

Not one person would have been happy to exit the Trophy - it still means so much to all of us. Warrington are a decent outfit, capable of beating us on their day. And yes, we're great (at this level) but not infallible.

Thankfully when some of our fans were getting on PP's back after the indifferent start to the season, he was mature enough to realise what we'd all been through (as was noted at the time).

I disagree. He showed a distinct lack of understanding of our plight. Obviously he has only heard the boards views, and his recent comments show he still doesn’t understand the fans gripe with those that run the club.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Teasierbeaver on January 19, 2018, 11:42:15 AM
Can I offer a different viewpoint?

I think it shows how far we have mended as fans, in addition to the team, after the heartache of the last couple of years - that we can start being pragmatic about things again.

Not one person would have been happy to exit the Trophy - it still means so much to all of us. Warrington are a decent outfit, capable of beating us on their day. And yes, we're great (at this level) but not infallible.

Thankfully when some of our fans were getting on PP's back after the indifferent start to the season, he was mature enough to realise what we'd all been through (as was noted at the time).

I disagree. He showed a distinct lack of understanding of our plight. Obviously he has only heard the boards views, and his recent comments show he still doesn’t understand the fans gripe with those that run the club.

Look, I doubt PP was happy we went out. And i'm pretty sure he understands why fans are fed up. All in all who gives a toss as long as he gets us up? We went out of the trophy to a fellow promotion contender on a replay. Its hardly the end of the world is it.

PP could call us all a bunch of halfwits for all I care as long as he ha us ten points clear in April and the players enjoying playing in front of the halfwit fans.

The board are disgrace and no doubt they influence his thinking they pay his wages and we all have to tow the line with our employers from time to time. Dont let it muddy the waters of the good job he is currently doing with the rest of the management team.

His real test comes in March and April when he has to get this promotion over the line.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: bighairedmike on January 19, 2018, 01:33:12 PM
Can I offer a different viewpoint?

I think it shows how far we have mended as fans, in addition to the team, after the heartache of the last couple of years - that we can start being pragmatic about things again.

Not one person would have been happy to exit the Trophy - it still means so much to all of us. Warrington are a decent outfit, capable of beating us on their day. And yes, we're great (at this level) but not infallible.

Thankfully when some of our fans were getting on PP's back after the indifferent start to the season, he was mature enough to realise what we'd all been through (as was noted at the time).

I disagree. He showed a distinct lack of understanding of our plight. Obviously he has only heard the boards views, and his recent comments show he still doesn’t understand the fans gripe with those that run the club.

Look, I doubt PP was happy we went out. And i'm pretty sure he understands why fans are fed up. All in all who gives a toss as long as he gets us up? We went out of the trophy to a fellow promotion contender on a replay. Its hardly the end of the world is it.

PP could call us all a bunch of halfwits for all I care as long as he ha us ten points clear in April and the players enjoying playing in front of the halfwit fans.

The board are disgrace and no doubt they influence his thinking they pay his wages and we all have to tow the line with our employers from time to time. Dont let it muddy the waters of the good job he is currently doing with the rest of the management team.

His real test comes in March and April when he has to get this promotion over the line.

I think you misunderstand my point. I have nothing against PP, I just don’t think he understands the situation.

Agreed that his job is his job and we’ll all be happy if he gets us promoted, expected or not.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Fairfield Alty on January 22, 2018, 06:23:46 PM
Warrington Town backlog not helped by CSC at Winsford
called off tonight.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Jezza on January 22, 2018, 08:03:50 PM
Had we beaten warrington and followed their path we may only be 3 points clear at the moment...had we beaten shildon we may be sitting here 2nd or 3rd in the league biting our nails 3 points behind with a couple of games in hand......
few quid more in the bank I'll grant you ......
I love the trophy and cup....my best memories...leatherhead....mal bailey's winner at Runcorn....the scarboro marathon semi....everton....spurs...blackpool etc etc....
Prepared to bypass those memories for one title win this season and yes I accept we have a squad, but that would probably mean more resting players for league games before the big trip to Accrington in the 1st round?
I'm glass half empty this season :-)
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: robininstockport on January 22, 2018, 08:45:42 PM
Winsford and Warrington now this Wednesday
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: GB Alty on January 23, 2018, 01:34:51 PM
Had we beaten warrington and followed their path we may only be 3 points clear at the moment...had we beaten shildon we may be sitting here 2nd or 3rd in the league biting our nails 3 points behind with a couple of games in hand......
few quid more in the bank I'll grant you ......
I love the trophy and cup....my best memories...leatherhead....mal bailey's winner at Runcorn....the scarboro marathon semi....everton....spurs...blackpool etc etc....
Prepared to bypass those memories for one title win this season and yes I accept we have a squad, but that would probably mean more resting players for league games before the big trip to Accrington in the 1st round?
I'm glass half empty this season :-)
how you working this out? Only the Stafford game clashed with the trophy (so only 3 points), and that game was pulled forward from March (when we now have a free Saturday) because we went out of the trophy

Your point about the Shildon is ludicrous as well, how many league points on the next 3 FA cup days did we earn? Have you checked? (it was 5 points, so not a great return) Do you think those games would have been replayed by now?

Look if you don't think we got the squad to compete just say it, but that would be pretty embarrassing at this level. The ultimate insult to this clubs once proud history
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: Nom de plume on January 23, 2018, 02:09:09 PM
how you working this out?........
Perhaps the clue is in the use of the word “may”.
Twice
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on January 23, 2018, 03:01:09 PM
May. Stamford Park on a sunlounger with a bottle of Prosecco celebrating our having earned the right to mix it with Stockport County and others of that Ilk. Bring it on so I can dream till August. 
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: andrewflynn on January 23, 2018, 03:10:23 PM
May. Stamford Park on a sunlounger with a bottle of Prosecco celebrating our having earned the right to mix it with Stockport County and others of that Ilk. Bring it on so I can dream till August. 

We'll have merely achieved the right to play County again.
Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on January 23, 2018, 04:30:38 PM

May. Stamford Park on a sunlounger with a bottle of Prosecco celebrating our having earned the right to mix it with Stockport County and others of that Ilk. Bring it on so I can dream till August. 



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Title: Re: Warrington
Post by: distancetraveller on January 23, 2018, 05:59:50 PM
May. Stamford Park on a sunlounger with a bottle of Prosecco celebrating our having earned the right to mix it with Stockport County and others of that Ilk. Bring it on so I can dream till August. 

take some bread, you can feed the ducks  :D