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Title: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Brian Flynn on February 03, 2018, 10:52:20 PM
Reading this, it seems that the points deduction season has started & we can expect to hear fairly soon about Shaw Lane potentially losing points:-

http://www.evostikleague.co.uk/league-statement-points-deduction-46114


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Hamish de Bretton-Gordon on February 04, 2018, 08:19:48 AM
If Iím interpreting whatís happened correctly itís a mad set of circumstances. If you trawl through the disciplinary lists on the fa website you can see potentially whatís what. This may be wrong but it looks as if James Pollard played a game for Farsley whilst he was supposed to be suspended. Farsley lost that game, during the week he moved to Shaw lane AQUAFORCE, and played in their 5-0 win over fa trophy last 16 winners Warrington town. On that basis, the suspension was still live and shaw lane AQUAFORCE will Potentially have 3 points deducted. Also of interest on there, halesowen played a lad for 3 games in which they picked up four points, including a derby win over Stourbridge, who was still registered with Solihull moors. The FA fined them six thousand quid for this but Iím wondering if the league could possibly impose a four point deduction also. This may of course all be wrong


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Mallorca Alty on February 04, 2018, 09:11:41 AM
The inconsistency of the rules stems from when we deducted the full 18 points for playing James Robinson for something that wasn't our fault. Only for AFC Wimbledon to be deducted only 3 points for committing a similar offence.


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: robininstockport on February 04, 2018, 09:27:26 AM
Inconsistent indeed. Shaw Lane have history aswell


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Hamish de Bretton-Gordon on February 04, 2018, 09:30:03 AM
Inconsistent indeed. Shaw Lane have history aswell

Shaw lane won the title on the back of wittons points deduction late last season, it would have took an odd set of results on the final day but wittons three docked points secured the title just before the last round of games


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: GB Alty on February 04, 2018, 01:48:12 PM
Inconsistent indeed. Shaw Lane have history aswell

Shaw lane won the title on the back of wittons points deduction late last season, it would have took an odd set of results on the final day but wittons three docked points secured the title just before the last round of games
incorrect Witton had already lost the title mathematically when the points deduction was awarded (and announced)


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Hamish de Bretton-Gordon on February 04, 2018, 02:34:58 PM
Inconsistent indeed. Shaw Lane have history aswell

Shaw lane won the title on the back of wittons points deduction late last season, it would have took an odd set of results on the final day but wittons three docked points secured the title just before the last round of games
incorrect Witton had already lost the title mathematically when the points deduction was awarded (and announced)

http://nonleague.pitchero.com/uncategorized/points-deduction-hands-shaw-lane-title/


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Hamish de Bretton-Gordon on February 04, 2018, 02:37:11 PM
http://www.northwichguardian.co.uk/sport/15229136.Witton_confirm_points_deduction__handing_title_to_Shaw_Lane/


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Hamish de Bretton-Gordon on February 04, 2018, 04:43:52 PM
If Iím interpreting whatís happened correctly itís a mad set of circumstances. If you trawl through the disciplinary lists on the fa website you can see potentially whatís what. This may be wrong but it looks as if James Pollard played a game for Farsley whilst he was supposed to be suspended. Farsley lost that game, during the week he moved to Shaw lane AQUAFORCE, and played in their 5-0 win over fa trophy last 16 winners Warrington town. On that basis, the suspension was still live and shaw lane AQUAFORCE will Potentially have 3 points deducted. Also of interest on there, halesowen played a lad for 3 games in which they picked up four points, including a derby win over Stourbridge, who was still registered with Solihull moors. The FA fined them six thousand quid for this but Iím wondering if the league could possibly impose a four point deduction also. This may of course all be wrong

Halesowen have been deducted four points

https://t.co/Mm4xCjOlf1


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: GB Alty on February 05, 2018, 12:35:02 AM
http://www.northwichguardian.co.uk/sport/15229136.Witton_confirm_points_deduction__handing_title_to_Shaw_Lane/
Shaw Lane won the title by 6 points, Witton's points deduction cost them jack sh*t


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: robininstockport on February 07, 2018, 02:47:33 PM
Have just been told by a director of an Evo Stick team that Shaw Lane will incur a 10 point penalty.

No idea how true or how they have arrived at that .


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Andrew Flynn on February 07, 2018, 02:59:42 PM
Have just been told by a director of an Evo Stick team that Shaw Lane will incur a 10 point penalty.

No idea how true or how they have arrived at that .

Championies championies ole ole ole


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Hamish de Bretton-Gordon on February 07, 2018, 04:04:28 PM
It would be helpful, but Iím not sure how they can arrive at ten points, they only gained 3 points whilst he was suspended, unless there is something else a miss?


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: anglo alty on February 07, 2018, 07:11:47 PM
10pts does sound harsh but I do think teams lower down the pyramid are vulnerable to registration issues mainly because non of the club officials are full time and things can slip through un-noticed as was the case here I think. I don,t think Shaw Lane did it on purpose it is just a costly error on their part as it will put them 16pts behind us and all but end their title ambitions and if they make a fuss they will no doubt be up on a disrepute charge


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Brian Flynn on February 07, 2018, 07:24:35 PM
Have just been told by a director of an Evo Stick team that Shaw Lane will incur a 10 point penalty.

No idea how true or how they have arrived at that .

If that is true, I will show my backside in the Vatican.

There is only one outcome here, surely, a 3 point deduction for Shaw Lane.


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: JTH on February 07, 2018, 07:50:55 PM
Have just been told by a director of an Evo Stick team that Shaw Lane will incur a 10 point penalty.

No idea how true or how they have arrived at that .

If that is true, I will show my backside in the Vatican.

There is only one outcome here, surely, a 3 point deduction for Shaw Lane.

Is that the official Ponitf ratified tariff?


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: roytonmike on February 07, 2018, 08:39:11 PM
Have just been told by a director of an Evo Stick team that Shaw Lane will incur a 10 point penalty.
No idea how true or how they have arrived at that .
The only way any penalty imposed could be more than 3 points would surely be if there were some kind of penalty suspended from a previous offence (or offences) in previous season/s. I for one am not aware of anything of that kind, so am assuming that the most that could be imposed would be 3 points for the game v Warrington & possibly a fine as well.


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on February 07, 2018, 10:09:03 PM
Have just been told by a director of an Evo Stick team that Shaw Lane will incur a 10 point penalty.

No idea how true or how they have arrived at that .

If that is true, I will show my backside in the Vatican.

There is only one outcome here, surely, a 3 point deduction for Shaw Lane.

I have no problem as long as you pay the air fare for your cheeky stunt yourself.

If you're threatened with three Hail Mary's, go for Bloody Mary's instead.


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: GB Alty on February 07, 2018, 10:28:21 PM
I'm not arsed about Shaw Lane points deduction, we will piss this tinpot league anyway won't we?

To say we're reliant on other teams failures would be so disrespectful of the young exicited (at no small cost) team that PP has assembled

No wonder PP has issues with the supporters if we don't believe in him or his team?

In PP I trust and expect


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Hale Alty on February 10, 2018, 09:18:09 AM
If Shaw Lane had lost the game would we still anticipate a 3pts deduction? Because they won the game 3pts is less of a penalty than if they had lost. So because they won surely it has to be a 6pts deduction.


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: GB Alty on February 10, 2018, 11:35:43 AM
If Shaw Lane had lost the game would we still anticipate a 3pts deduction? Because they won the game 3pts is less of a penalty than if they had lost. So because they won surely it has to be a 6pts deduction.
That doesn't make sense, you can't deduct points that haven't got

They lose the points they illegally gained, straightforward isn't it?


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Mick on February 10, 2018, 11:39:22 AM
Yes - simple rule as Colin Peake would assert


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Hale Alty on February 10, 2018, 12:06:18 PM
So you are saying they wouldn't face any penalty at all for fielding a banned player if they hadn't won. Ok I get that.


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Hamish de Bretton-Gordon on February 10, 2018, 12:16:10 PM
Theyíd get a hefty as Farsley will for playing the same lad the week before at a guess.


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: AntonDeck on February 10, 2018, 12:23:14 PM
So you are saying they wouldn't face any penalty at all for fielding a banned player if they hadn't won. Ok I get that.

The only thing could be to award the game 3 0 to the other team. So the team who has infringed lose the points if they won or drew and the other team get 3 points irrespective of original result.


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Mick on February 10, 2018, 12:40:37 PM
This all pretty easy

Points gained whilst breaching rules are deducted

Team can be fined as well / only fined if no points gained / or just warned



Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: wayno on February 10, 2018, 02:05:30 PM
Have just been told by a director of an Evo Stick team that Shaw Lane will incur a 10 point penalty.

No idea how true or how they have arrived at that .

If that is true, I will show my backside in the Vatican.

There is only one outcome here, surely, a 3 point deduction for Shaw Lane.
too posh for Burtons


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Mallorca Alty on February 10, 2018, 11:31:02 PM
The NPL aren't exactly quick on making decisions. I remember the farce in 2005 when Spennymoor went bust and Hyde were declared winners on appeal after Farsley finished top of the league.


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: George Heslops Moustache on February 11, 2018, 12:21:33 AM
This all pretty easy

Points gained whilst breaching rules are deducted

Team can be fined as well / only fined if no points gained / or just warned



Thatís exactly how we were punished and (in a sense of fairness) how every team should be treated.

Different leagues set different precidences though, so the whole hypothesising here is just a massive crap shoot.


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: HashtagAlty on February 12, 2018, 07:15:57 PM
Seem to be taking their sweet time, especially when Cleethorpes and Halesowen have received their punishments.


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Brian Flynn on February 12, 2018, 07:27:16 PM
Seem to be taking their sweet time, especially when Cleethorpes and Halesowen have received their punishments.

I suspect that the league is waiting for the appeal period to expire before making an announcement.

If the appeal period is 14 days then we will probably hear something from the middle of the week onwards.


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Hamish de Bretton-Gordon on February 12, 2018, 08:49:08 PM
Seem to be taking their sweet time, especially when Cleethorpes and Halesowen have received their punishments.

I suspect that the league is waiting for the appeal period to expire before making an announcement.

If the appeal period is 14 days then we will probably hear something from the middle of the week onwards.

Spot on Brian, the league only announced the cleethorpes deduction when they did because they didnít appeal. Halesowen chose to go public, shaw lane AQUAFORCE  were never going to make any comment before tomorrowís game, which is well within their rights. They have until Wednesday to appeal, Iíd imagine the outcome of tomorrowís game could possibly have a bearing on that. Finance not a problem for shaw lane AQUAFORCE but Iíd assume halesowen felt it would be a waste of money that could be better used elsewhere


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: Andrew Flynn on February 13, 2018, 04:04:55 PM
CONFIRMED THREE POINT DEDUCTION.

http://www.evostikleague.co.uk/league-statement-points-deduction-46541


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: robininstockport on February 13, 2018, 09:20:05 PM
Warrington 1 down at home to stalybridge


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: robininstockport on February 13, 2018, 09:38:11 PM
Warrington 0-1 staylbridge. Ft
Warrington failed to score a pen


Title: Re: Shaw Lane Potential Points Deduction
Post by: anglo alty on February 14, 2018, 12:59:39 PM
good results despite not playing Shaw deucted 3 and Warrington  losing still think all these postponments will have a part to play