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Title: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: altrincham on March 07, 2018, 11:04:45 AM
Firstly I have been an Alty fan over 20 years on and off and due to personal commitments not made it to many games the last 2 years, I did make it last week though and was impressed with the team and quality of play, the new bar is very good and drinking on the terraces a nice bonus. I know a lot of internal politics with a large section of the support and the Chairman etc has taken place, is this the result of the main singing group we used to have nearly disappearing?
Seems such a shame the young manager and team done experience our old great atmospheres and especially as they are doing so well. Is this the main reason or have people lost interest or just waiting for a new chairmen?
Thanks to any responses to put me in the loop.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on March 07, 2018, 03:34:21 PM
If we accept that the chairman has a job for life, the majority of the singers won't be back. It's that simple.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Teasierbeaver on March 07, 2018, 05:11:09 PM
Basically no matter how well weíre doing weíre always one decision away from disaster with the current chair. Thatís proven in his track record unfortunately. Whatís worse is that disaster has come in several shapes and forms so you never know whatís coming from PR disasters, fan alienation, fan victimisation, poor recruitment, nepotism and so on.

A lot will come back if we are in top five of the league above this time next year but not all.

I donít think he has a job for life. I do think thereís a lack of genuine challenge to his position though. We all grunt and moan yet none of us have a list of candidates to replace him up our sleeves. And I donít mean investors. Iím talking about someone who is willing to take the job on right now and stand up to put pressure on him and his position.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Leon on March 08, 2018, 11:22:22 AM
Iíve long thought that if we could properly quantify how many fans are staying away and so how much income the club is missing out on, that would put more pressure on GR to stand aside than almost anything. Equally if it turned out there really werenít that many of us, that in itself would be worth knowing. As it is we can only guess at the numbers boycotting or staying away in some form or other.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: JTH on March 08, 2018, 12:12:50 PM
Iíve long thought that if we could properly quantify how many fans are staying away and so how much income the club is missing out on, that would put more pressure on GR to stand aside than almost anything. Equally if it turned out there really werenít that many of us, that in itself would be worth knowing. As it is we can only guess at the numbers boycotting or staying away in some form or other.

Always up for a sum. Our current average is 800 with effectively no away fans give or take. Last season it was 1,230 which was higher than the Conf Nat relegation season of 1,150.  On the basis of not using last season (bit unreliable given the fall off in gates after Christmas due to results and some very large away followings) and an average of a 200 away following in the Conf Nat Division, I'd put our natural average at about 900 to 950, meaning we're down about 100-150? Let's split the difference and say 125.

Finances

Gate receipts = 125x10x23 = £28,750
Profit on other Match Day Income per head say £2 125x2x23 = £5,750

Rounding up and not counting any other possible losses (sponsorships etc) let's say that costs us £35,000. Given our income in 2016-7 was £562,379 this equates to a reduction of 6.2%. Given gate income will be lower this year due to both attendances and prices, this shortfall will be magnified anyway and is presumably going to be / is being met through other sources.

 





Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Andrew Flynn on March 08, 2018, 12:22:29 PM
The atmosphere has been decent at best, but it averages out at poor and at times it has been woeful.

We're relying on Joe Bloggs from down the road. We're relying on him to make good on his passing interest by visiting us on a free Saturday. This isn't sustainable, is it? The football is going well, and mixed with free tickets and MUFC/MCFC offers we've managed to paper over the cracks by being top of a league and exercising that interest where we can.

But surely there's a huge risk here? Joe Bloggs isn't getting behind Parkinson's boys on a Tuesday when United are on TV, nor is he travelling up to Blyth on a Saturday next season. People like Joe Bloggs won't be there when you need them. I know plenty of people who want to do so, but after years of sniping and belittling I can't blame them for packing it in.

Whether certain people choose to believe it or not, those of us who will be there whatever the weather are a critically endangered species at Altrincham Football Club.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: George Heslops Moustache on March 08, 2018, 12:54:06 PM
Iíve long thought that if we could properly quantify how many fans are staying away and so how much income the club is missing out on, that would put more pressure on GR to stand aside than almost anything. Equally if it turned out there really werenít that many of us, that in itself would be worth knowing. As it is we can only guess at the numbers boycotting or staying away in some form or other.

Always up for a sum. Our current average is 800 with effectively no away fans give or take. Last season it was 1,230 which was higher than the Conf Nat relegation season of 1,150.  On the basis of not using last season (bit unreliable given the fall off in gates after Christmas due to results and some very large away followings) and an average of a 200 away following in the Conf Nat Division, I'd put our natural average at about 900 to 950, meaning we're down about 100-150? Let's split the difference and say 125.

Finances

Gate receipts = 125x10x23 = £28,750
Profit on other Match Day Income per head say £2 125x2x23 = £5,750

Rounding up and not counting any other possible losses (sponsorships etc) let's say that costs us £35,000. Given our income in 2016-7 was £562,379 this equates to a reduction of 6.2%. Given gate income will be lower this year due to both attendances and prices, this shortfall will be magnified anyway and is presumably going to be / is being met through other sources.


All very interesting. Iíd also point towards Andrews point(s) after this regarding Joe Bloggs and his ďlack of habitual engagementĒ. Looking at Tuesday night attendances (which are always low) they seem notoriously lower than previous seasons. I would hazard a guess that the deduction there is more likely closer to the boycotted numbers, as Saturday crowds are normally swelled by casual supporters.

I have no mathematical evidence to back this up as I havenít looked through it all, theyíre just the impressions one gets.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Leon on March 08, 2018, 01:09:02 PM
Iíve long thought that if we could properly quantify how many fans are staying away and so how much income the club is missing out on, that would put more pressure on GR to stand aside than almost anything. Equally if it turned out there really werenít that many of us, that in itself would be worth knowing. As it is we can only guess at the numbers boycotting or staying away in some form or other.

Always up for a sum. Our current average is 800 with effectively no away fans give or take. Last season it was 1,230 which was higher than the Conf Nat relegation season of 1,150.  On the basis of not using last season (bit unreliable given the fall off in gates after Christmas due to results and some very large away followings) and an average of a 200 away following in the Conf Nat Division, I'd put our natural average at about 900 to 950, meaning we're down about 100-150? Let's split the difference and say 125.

Finances

Gate receipts = 125x10x23 = £28,750
Profit on other Match Day Income per head say £2 125x2x23 = £5,750

Rounding up and not counting any other possible losses (sponsorships etc) let's say that costs us £35,000. Given our income in 2016-7 was £562,379 this equates to a reduction of 6.2%. Given gate income will be lower this year due to both attendances and prices, this shortfall will be magnified anyway and is presumably going to be / is being met through other sources.

 





What we don't know if how many of those estimated 125 are staying away for Rowley-related reasons and how many have just fallen away as people do when the team gets relegated.

I would like to see the Rowley Out group or someone else try to draw up a register of protesting/boycotting supporters. Some people clearly wouldn't want to go on such a list and nobody should feel pressured to but it would be a way to demonstrate the strength and extent of the discontent.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: distancetraveller on March 08, 2018, 01:33:15 PM
Iíve long thought that if we could properly quantify how many fans are staying away and so how much income the club is missing out on, that would put more pressure on GR to stand aside than almost anything. Equally if it turned out there really werenít that many of us, that in itself would be worth knowing. As it is we can only guess at the numbers boycotting or staying away in some form or other.

Always up for a sum. Our current average is 800 with effectively no away fans give or take. Last season it was 1,230 which was higher than the Conf Nat relegation season of 1,150.  On the basis of not using last season (bit unreliable given the fall off in gates after Christmas due to results and some very large away followings) and an average of a 200 away following in the Conf Nat Division, I'd put our natural average at about 900 to 950, meaning we're down about 100-150? Let's split the difference and say 125.

Finances

Gate receipts = 125x10x23 = £28,750
Profit on other Match Day Income per head say £2 125x2x23 = £5,750

Rounding up and not counting any other possible losses (sponsorships etc) let's say that costs us £35,000. Given our income in 2016-7 was £562,379 this equates to a reduction of 6.2%. Given gate income will be lower this year due to both attendances and prices, this shortfall will be magnified anyway and is presumably going to be / is being met through other sources.

 





What we don't know if how many of those estimated 125 are staying away for Rowley-related reasons and how many have just fallen away as people do when the team gets relegated.

I would like to see the Rowley Out group or someone else try to draw up a register of protesting/boycotting supporters. Some people clearly wouldn't want to go on such a list and nobody should feel pressured to but it would be a way to demonstrate the strength and extent of the discontent.

I have no alternate to replace Rowley. and I go to games on a regular basis including away games when possible..
Having stated that, I support the "Rowley out " people. I  pay my entrance plus a drink etc but I no longer support such things as the Patrons Scheme, golden goals etc.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Leon on March 08, 2018, 01:45:06 PM
Iíve long thought that if we could properly quantify how many fans are staying away and so how much income the club is missing out on, that would put more pressure on GR to stand aside than almost anything. Equally if it turned out there really werenít that many of us, that in itself would be worth knowing. As it is we can only guess at the numbers boycotting or staying away in some form or other.

Always up for a sum. Our current average is 800 with effectively no away fans give or take. Last season it was 1,230 which was higher than the Conf Nat relegation season of 1,150.  On the basis of not using last season (bit unreliable given the fall off in gates after Christmas due to results and some very large away followings) and an average of a 200 away following in the Conf Nat Division, I'd put our natural average at about 900 to 950, meaning we're down about 100-150? Let's split the difference and say 125.

Finances

Gate receipts = 125x10x23 = £28,750
Profit on other Match Day Income per head say £2 125x2x23 = £5,750

Rounding up and not counting any other possible losses (sponsorships etc) let's say that costs us £35,000. Given our income in 2016-7 was £562,379 this equates to a reduction of 6.2%. Given gate income will be lower this year due to both attendances and prices, this shortfall will be magnified anyway and is presumably going to be / is being met through other sources.

 





What we don't know if how many of those estimated 125 are staying away for Rowley-related reasons and how many have just fallen away as people do when the team gets relegated.

I would like to see the Rowley Out group or someone else try to draw up a register of protesting/boycotting supporters. Some people clearly wouldn't want to go on such a list and nobody should feel pressured to but it would be a way to demonstrate the strength and extent of the discontent.

I have no alternate to replace Rowley. and I go to games on a regular basis including away games when possible..
Having stated that, I support the "Rowley out " people. I  pay my entrance plus a drink etc but I no longer support such things as the Patrons Scheme, golden goals etc.


That's an important point - it's not just people not going to matches. I don't go to home games anymore but as an exile that only means the club's losing out on maybe £60 a year that way. But I have also withdrawn for the Patrons and Friends and that's another, what, £110 a year. It all adds up.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: JTH on March 08, 2018, 01:52:14 PM
Iíve long thought that if we could properly quantify how many fans are staying away and so how much income the club is missing out on, that would put more pressure on GR to stand aside than almost anything. Equally if it turned out there really werenít that many of us, that in itself would be worth knowing. As it is we can only guess at the numbers boycotting or staying away in some form or other.

Always up for a sum. Our current average is 800 with effectively no away fans give or take. Last season it was 1,230 which was higher than the Conf Nat relegation season of 1,150.  On the basis of not using last season (bit unreliable given the fall off in gates after Christmas due to results and some very large away followings) and an average of a 200 away following in the Conf Nat Division, I'd put our natural average at about 900 to 950, meaning we're down about 100-150? Let's split the difference and say 125.

Finances

Gate receipts = 125x10x23 = £28,750
Profit on other Match Day Income per head say £2 125x2x23 = £5,750

Rounding up and not counting any other possible losses (sponsorships etc) let's say that costs us £35,000. Given our income in 2016-7 was £562,379 this equates to a reduction of 6.2%. Given gate income will be lower this year due to both attendances and prices, this shortfall will be magnified anyway and is presumably going to be / is being met through other sources.


All very interesting. Iíd also point towards Andrews point(s) after this regarding Joe Bloggs and his ďlack of habitual engagementĒ. Looking at Tuesday night attendances (which are always low) they seem notoriously lower than previous seasons. I would hazard a guess that the deduction there is more likely closer to the boycotted numbers, as Saturday crowds are normally swelled by casual supporters.

I have no mathematical evidence to back this up as I havenít looked through it all, theyíre just the impressions one gets.

I think there's definitely something to that. As Barry P pointed out on another thread, a 10% reduction in home attendances is never a good thing, although I think 800 is pretty decent considering all of the factors currently in play. A way needs to be found to get those 100-150 back, we all know the piggy bank has been raided this year, if we do go up it can't be on the basis of a reduced budget.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on March 08, 2018, 01:58:47 PM
Thereís a fairly simple solution to getting the majority back immediately, itís killing them to stay away..


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: cheshire cat on March 08, 2018, 03:50:29 PM
It's not just about gate receipts though. In response to a fall in income the price of pies and drinks have been jacked up. Sky sports subscription is not cheap for a sports club. That has been binned for the season. There have been adjustments made to the staff rosta. It's all part and parcel of balancing the books.

It looks to me that the board are managing the budget at the moment albeit by eating into reserves to some extent.



Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Beez on March 08, 2018, 05:00:11 PM
It's not just about gate receipts though. In response to a fall in income the price of pies and drinks have been jacked up. Sky sports subscription is not cheap for a sports club. That has been binned for the season. There have been adjustments made to the staff rosta. It's all part and parcel of balancing the books.

It looks to me that the board are managing the budget at the moment albeit by eating into reserves to some extent.



Why would the board of the football club be managing the CSH's expenditure on Sky Sports and similar costs accordingly? Its ran by a seperate company, isn't it? So shouldn't impact on the ballancing of football club finances.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on March 08, 2018, 06:21:11 PM
Iíve long thought that if we could properly quantify how many fans are staying away and so how much income the club is missing out on, that would put more pressure on GR to stand aside than almost anything. Equally if it turned out there really werenít that many of us, that in itself would be worth knowing. As it is we can only guess at the numbers boycotting or staying away in some form or other.

Always up for a sum. Our current average is 800 with effectively no away fans give or take. Last season it was 1,230 which was higher than the Conf Nat relegation season of 1,150.  On the basis of not using last season (bit unreliable given the fall off in gates after Christmas due to results and some very large away followings) and an average of a 200 away following in the Conf Nat Division, I'd put our natural average at about 900 to 950, meaning we're down about 100-150? Let's split the difference and say 125.

Finances

Gate receipts = 125x10x23 = £28,750
Profit on other Match Day Income per head say £2 125x2x23 = £5,750

Rounding up and not counting any other possible losses (sponsorships etc) let's say that costs us £35,000. Given our income in 2016-7 was £562,379 this equates to a reduction of 6.2%. Given gate income will be lower this year due to both attendances and prices, this shortfall will be magnified anyway and is presumably going to be / is being met through other sources.

 





What we don't know if how many of those estimated 125 are staying away for Rowley-related reasons and how many have just fallen away as people do when the team gets relegated.

I would like to see the Rowley Out group or someone else try to draw up a register of protesting/boycotting supporters. Some people clearly wouldn't want to go on such a list and nobody should feel pressured to but it would be a way to demonstrate the strength and extent of the discontent.

I have no alternate to replace Rowley. and I go to games on a regular basis including away games when possible..
Having stated that, I support the "Rowley out " people. I  pay my entrance plus a drink etc but I no longer support such things as the Patrons Scheme, golden goals etc.



That's an important point - it's not just people not going to matches. I don't go to home games anymore but as an exile that only means the club's losing out on maybe £60 a year that way. But I have also withdrawn for the Patrons and Friends and that's another, what, £110 a year. It all adds up.




Exactly.

I know of one long-standing supporter whose absence from the J Davidson Stadium this season owing to the continued presence of Grahame Rowley as chairman has resulted in the club losing out on circa £1,000 of revenue.

Now, if Neil Faulkner (or, indeed any other director for that matter) would like to tell him to "f**k off" to his face, then I'm sure that it could be arranged but it doesn't necessarily strike me as representing very sound business practice.

As Get That Cooker On states earlier in this thread, alienating sections of your fanbase is a perilous route to adopt.





 



Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: AFC56 on March 08, 2018, 06:45:01 PM
The stay away supporters need to come back to Moss Lane and enjoy the football because itís excellent. For years Iíve felt weíve had teams that were difficult to bond with but this group and management are the best since the promotion winning team of 2005. Forget GR. We know heís made some bad appointments and some PR gaffs and he probably will in the future , but I would imagine we all started going to football matches to enjoy the football , not become embroiled in a bitter rows with the chairman. I support the team and management , and give very little thought to the board of directors.



Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: robininstockport on March 08, 2018, 06:53:49 PM
The stay away supporters need to come back to Moss Lane and enjoy the football because itís excellent. For years Iíve felt weíve had teams that were difficult to bond with but this group and management are the best since the promotion winning team of 2005. Forget GR. We know heís made some bad appointments and some PR gaffs and he probably will in the future , but I would imagine we all started going to football matches to enjoy the football , not become embroiled in a bitter rows with the chairman. I support the team and management , and give very little thought to the board of directors.



I agree.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Cider Alty on March 08, 2018, 07:05:01 PM
Pretending everything is ok is not really a solution is it?


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: oneedham on March 08, 2018, 07:13:51 PM
The stay away supporters need to come back to Moss Lane and enjoy the football because itís excellent. For years Iíve felt weíve had teams that were difficult to bond with but this group and management are the best since the promotion winning team of 2005. Forget GR. We know heís made some bad appointments and some PR gaffs and he probably will in the future , but I would imagine we all started going to football matches to enjoy the football , not become embroiled in a bitter rows with the chairman. I support the team and management , and give very little thought to the board of directors.



I agree also. This team deserves the support. I appreciate some ridicoulsy decisions have been made and have contributed towards us being where we are but stay away fans are missing a very good footballing team with a vibrant young manager leading them. Rowley isn't going anytime soon so to me you are just punishing yourselves. It isn't either this team or managers fault but they are picking up the pieces.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Friar Tuck on March 08, 2018, 07:31:26 PM
Pretending everything is ok is not really a solution is it?

Everything is ok, on the pitch!

Whilst it may not be off the pitch, to varying degrees in different people's opinions,  the point that was trying to be be made was that those staying away are missing a treat in terms of football enjoyment.

What each individual chooses to do in terms of attending or not is down to them but great football is being missed.

Would those boycotting, who would actually enjoy the football being played, perhaps think about attending a one off game, all locating in one small area? If there were a number of vocal fans, all located in, for example, one corner of the Chequers end it would give a great visual to the board to show the volume of fans voting with their feet (ironically by being at the game, on this occassion).

It would also be interesting for those not boycotting to see the numbers who are choosing yo stay away.

I wouldn't suggest it turns into a 'Rowley Out' protest as this negativity would spread onto the pitch and is not what the team or management need to see or hear.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: wayno on March 08, 2018, 08:14:41 PM
The stay away supporters need to come back to Moss Lane and enjoy the football because itís excellent. For years Iíve felt weíve had teams that were difficult to bond with but this group and management are the best since the promotion winning team of 2005. Forget GR. We know heís made some bad appointments and some PR gaffs and he probably will in the future , but I would imagine we all started going to football matches to enjoy the football , not become embroiled in a bitter rows with the chairman. I support the team and management , and give very little thought to the board of directors.



I agree also. This team deserves the support. I appreciate some ridicoulsy decisions have been made and have contributed towards us being where we are but stay away fans are missing a very good footballing team with a vibrant young manager leading them. Rowley isn't going anytime soon so to me you are just punishing yourselves. It isn't either this team or managers fault but they are picking up the pieces.
i agree with Ollie some very poor recruitment decisons were made previously . Phil is a brillaint appointment

I worry all this negativity could make him question staying

That would be a disaster for us


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Sarf London Alty on March 08, 2018, 08:25:45 PM
The stay away supporters need to come back to Moss Lane and enjoy the football because itís excellent. For years Iíve felt weíve had teams that were difficult to bond with but this group and management are the best since the promotion winning team of 2005. Forget GR. We know heís made some bad appointments and some PR gaffs and he probably will in the future , but I would imagine we all started going to football matches to enjoy the football , not become embroiled in a bitter rows with the chairman. I support the team and management , and give very little thought to the board of directors.



I agree also. This team deserves the support. I appreciate some ridicoulsy decisions have been made and have contributed towards us being where we are but stay away fans are missing a very good footballing team with a vibrant young manager leading them. Rowley isn't going anytime soon so to me you are just punishing yourselves. It isn't either this team or managers fault but they are picking up the pieces.
i agree with Ollie some very poor recruitment decisons were made previously . Phil is a brillaint appointment

I worry all this negativity could make him question staying

That would be a disaster for us

Totally agree Wayno. Iím going to enjoy going on Saturday & will stick to the football on here afterwards.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Holmes Chapel Alty on March 14, 2018, 07:46:46 PM
Not posted for ages, but i felt like i wanted to today.

I personally dont like what GR has done, said etc. But it is not keeping me away from the matches directly.

What is keeping me away, and it was touched on earlier is that after 2 seasons of simply pathetic football and management has made me lose interest. Why have we been so bad? Well the book stops with GR, so indirectly you could argue i am staying away because of him.

Yes i am missing out on some good football, but lets face it, we are not playing York, Wrexham, Cambridge, Oxford and so and so on, we are playing Mickleover Sports, Barwell and Timperley Wanderers. Fair weather supporter, yes i guess i can be called that, but after turning up week in and week out when getting beaten i couldnt take any more. After losing 3-0 to stafford at the start of the season, my only game this season, i just couldnt face it.

Saturdays and Tuesdays i ALWAYS look out for the results. I also watch the goals and yes the football looks good but i refer to my point above.

I am sure I will be back, assuming we get promoted. I appreciate i may get haters for my comments but i would rather be honest and explain my reasons for staying away at the moment.

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Long live the teasers.



Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Snork Maiden on March 14, 2018, 07:55:08 PM
Not posted for ages, but i felt like i wanted to today.

I personally dont like what GR has done, said etc. But it is not keeping me away from the matches directly.

What is keeping me away, and it was touched on earlier is that after 2 seasons of simply pathetic football and management has made me lose interest. Why have we been so bad? Well the book stops with GR, so indirectly you could argue i am staying away because of him.

Yes i am missing out on some good football, but lets face it, we are not playing York, Wrexham, Cambridge, Oxford and so and so on, we are playing Mickleover Sports, Barwell and Timperley Wanderers. Fair weather supporter, yes i guess i can be called that, but after turning up week in and week out when getting beaten i couldnt take any more. After losing 3-0 to stafford at the start of the season, my only game this season, i just couldnt face it.

Saturdays and Tuesdays i ALWAYS look out for the results. I also watch the goals and yes the football looks good but i refer to my point above.

I am sure I will be back, assuming we get promoted. I appreciate i may get haters for my comments but i would rather be honest and explain my reasons for staying away at the moment.

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Sums it up very well Jenga.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: oneedham on March 14, 2018, 08:18:41 PM
Not posted for ages, but i felt like i wanted to today.

I personally dont like what GR has done, said etc. But it is not keeping me away from the matches directly.

What is keeping me away, and it was touched on earlier is that after 2 seasons of simply pathetic football and management has made me lose interest. Why have we been so bad? Well the book stops with GR, so indirectly you could argue i am staying away because of him.

Yes i am missing out on some good football, but lets face it, we are not playing York, Wrexham, Cambridge, Oxford and so and so on, we are playing Mickleover Sports, Barwell and Timperley Wanderers. Fair weather supporter, yes i guess i can be called that, but after turning up week in and week out when getting beaten i couldnt take any more. After losing 3-0 to stafford at the start of the season, my only game this season, i just couldnt face it.

Saturdays and Tuesdays i ALWAYS look out for the results. I also watch the goals and yes the football looks good but i refer to my point above.

I am sure I will be back, assuming we get promoted. I appreciate i may get haters for my comments but i would rather be honest and explain my reasons for staying away at the moment.

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Long live the teasers.



Thanks for explaining but personally I don't get it. My interest massively dipped over the previous two seasons, but this team and manager deserve the support.

They are a team of fighters and are giving their all each game.

I know this may sound completely random but if you compare the club to a friendship. Would you give up on your mate, being the son, if his dad made some bad decisions?

It is very sad to see only 500 supporters in the ground when we are playing some of the best football in years.

I respect your personal decision and I agree that some awful decisions have been made but I just can't give up on a team that actually deserves the support. The love and care just can't go away.

Graham Rowley should go but only when we have the correct investors/board, who have a genuine interest of progressing our football team. At present there is no interest from anyone.

At the end of the game I am only clapping the players and current manager.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: wayno on March 14, 2018, 08:31:03 PM
Couple of points

I thought the fans were excellent 2nd half behind the goal

Really got behind the lads and it was a good atmosphere till the 3rd went in

Its heartbreaking to only have 500 in

Second point . Jenga you were suspended from the teasing squad last night by a 3 man majority

This is due to being a hocky fan now

I will send you your 20% of the flag in the post x


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Andrew Flynn on March 14, 2018, 08:50:50 PM
Couple of points

I thought the fans were excellent 2nd half behind the goal

Really got behind the lads and it was a good atmosphere till the 3rd went in

Its heartbreaking to only have 500 in

Second point . Jenga you were suspended from the teasing squad last night by a 3 man majority

This is due to being a hocky fan now

I will send you your 20% of the flag in the post x

Does that mean thereís a spare seat on the Board of Teasers? Invite?


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: wayno on March 14, 2018, 08:52:27 PM
Couple of points

I thought the fans were excellent 2nd half behind the goal

Really got behind the lads and it was a good atmosphere till the 3rd went in

Its heartbreaking to only have 500 in

Second point . Jenga you were suspended from the teasing squad last night by a 3 man majority

This is due to being a hocky fan now

I will send you your 20% of the flag in the post x

Does that mean thereís a spare seat on the Board of Teasers? Invite?
we will in due course advertise the shares to the wider general public

A number of initiations will be involved

Our 5 year plan will be updated accordingly


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Snork Maiden on March 14, 2018, 08:52:40 PM
Couple of points

I thought the fans were excellent 2nd half behind the goal

Really got behind the lads and it was a good atmosphere till the 3rd went in

Its heartbreaking to only have 500 in

Second point . Jenga you were suspended from the teasing squad last night by a 3 man majority

This is due to being a hocky fan now

I will send you your 20% of the flag in the post x

This is very worrying!


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Holmes Chapel Alty on March 14, 2018, 09:10:48 PM
Teasing at its best. Can i have my 20% as the lettering please  ;D


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: cheshire cat on March 14, 2018, 09:22:24 PM
I'm confused. If Jenga is entitled to 20% of the flag that implies there are five owners. How do you get to a three man majority with or without Jenga's participation. Was there an abstention?


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: wayno on March 14, 2018, 09:30:42 PM
I'm confused. If Jenga is entitled to 20% of the flag that implies there are five owners. How do you get to a three man majority with or without Jenga's participation. Was there an abstention?
its a very good observation

One that demands a full and frank response

Their was originally 5 members of the teasers inc

Each of them hold 20% of the shares in our assets ( a flag)

Last night the only 3 remaining active members of the teasing squad inc ( 2 AWOL) held a vote and unanimously removed said shareholder from the squad

All new potential members can submit there CVs into the office on match days

Apart from #Alty who cant tie his own shoelaces



Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: thegazelle on March 15, 2018, 12:47:08 AM
Henry Kissinger here , assuming there are 14 letters on the flag 20% is 2.8 letters .rounded up to three letters it would be possible to give away THE.  thus keeping the integrity of the flag  if said departing member insided in a portion of material and i know  its none of my business but would it be prudent to leave the flag intact and just take the letters off and this could be increased to 4 letters. the departing member could have ARSE .


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Holmes Chapel Alty on March 15, 2018, 12:49:21 PM
I'm confused. If Jenga is entitled to 20% of the flag that implies there are five owners. How do you get to a three man majority with or without Jenga's participation. Was there an abstention?

Their was originally 5 members of the teasers inc

Last night the only 3 remaining active members of the teasing squad inc ( 2 AWOL) held a vote and unanimously removed said shareholder from the squad

I would like to question this statement. Are you saying that the vote was between 3 remaining active members of which 2 were AWOL? This would mean that the vote was held by ONE member of Teasers Inc. Whilst i appreciate that this is a majority of present members, it would seem to be more of a Teaser Coup by one isolated member. In relation to my 20% share i will walk away quietly with no objections if i can take my 20% from the middle of the flag material including all relevant letters on said material.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: wayno on March 15, 2018, 01:14:36 PM
I'm confused. If Jenga is entitled to 20% of the flag that implies there are five owners. How do you get to a three man majority with or without Jenga's participation. Was there an abstention?

Their was originally 5 members of the teasers inc

Last night the only 3 remaining active members of the teasing squad inc ( 2 AWOL) held a vote and unanimously removed said shareholder from the squad

I would like to question this statement. Are you saying that the vote was between 3 remaining active members of which 2 were AWOL? This would mean that the vote was held by ONE member of Teasers Inc. Whilst i appreciate that this is a majority of present members, it would seem to be more of a Teaser Coup by one isolated member. In relation to my 20% share i will walk away quietly with no objections if i can take my 20% from the middle of the flag material including all relevant letters on said material.
typical airing our laundry in public again

3 of the squad were present 2 were Awol . One ( you) was ousted the other is hanging by a thread

Lets get back to focussing on the Alty ice rink lads shall we x


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: wayno on March 15, 2018, 01:15:40 PM
Henry Kissinger here , assuming there are 14 letters on the flag 20% is 2.8 letters .rounded up to three letters it would be possible to give away THE.  thus keeping the integrity of the flag  if said departing member insided in a portion of material and i know  its none of my business but would it be prudent to leave the flag intact and just take the letters off and this could be increased to 4 letters. the departing member could have ARSE .
Arse sounds perfect


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: cheshire cat on March 15, 2018, 01:33:12 PM
But there is no E in Altrincham F.C.?


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on March 15, 2018, 02:54:16 PM
But there is no E in Altrincham F.C.?
No S either.....


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: wayno on March 15, 2018, 03:10:38 PM
Flag reads

The Alty Teasers


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: thegazelle on March 15, 2018, 04:19:48 PM
But there is no E in Altrincham F.C.?
No S either.....


apologies for doubting me on a postcard to henry kissinger , deganwy


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: jiminlondon on March 15, 2018, 04:51:10 PM
But there is no E in Altrincham F.C.?

but it might explain some of the last couple of years?


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: cheshire cat on March 15, 2018, 06:05:39 PM
Do they do drug tests at this level?


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Matt Taylor on March 15, 2018, 09:29:37 PM


Thanks for explaining but personally I don't get it. My interest massively dipped over the previous two seasons, but this team and manager deserve the support.

They are a team of fighters and are giving their all each game.

I know this may sound completely random but if you compare the club to a friendship. Would you give up on your mate, being the son, if his dad made some bad decisions?

It is very sad to see only 500 supporters in the ground when we are playing some of the best football in years.

I respect your personal decision and I agree that some awful decisions have been made but I just can't give up on a team that actually deserves the support. The love and care just can't go away.

Graham Rowley should go but only when we have the correct investors/board, who have a genuine interest of progressing our football team. At present there is no interest from anyone.

At the end of the game I am only clapping the players and current manager.

How would we know? The available shares never get a mention, let alone pushed.

Youíd be amazed what happens when you actually tell the outside world where there is a vacancy, rather than relying on your own limited existing relationships (the appointment of Phil Parkinson being a good example). Not advertising to the outside world lands you with Neil Tolson or Matt Doughty as manager instead, or Grahame Rowley as chairman, (and Neil Young to some extent as the managers job wasnít advertised then either).
We appear determined to apply that same logic in the boardroom unfortunately.

Iím not suggesting people would suddenly be queuing up outside Moss Lane to buy the shares, and take over, if we advertised the shares. However, having created a great opportunity for someone new to come in with fresh ideas, to then remain silent and not give ourselves every possible chance of moving forward as a football club is negligent. Both by the board, and by those happy to stand back and let them carry on - by that I mean the larger shareholders at the club, rather than the supporters who do still turn up each week to get behind the team (in spite of the off-field issues).
And still no one has ever really answered the question of why we think we can sell the club in secret? Or why we arenít shouting from the rooftops at every opportunity? Or what exactly are the Sports Business doing? And, more importantly, why havenít the Sports Business been binned yet, rather than given new contracts on the commercial side?

I'm sure everyone who no longer goes to home games is different, but to me itís not just an immediate change in chairman that would bring me back to home games. Iíd be prepared to turn up and pay my entrance fee if I could see any sort of public/sustained effort being made to sell the shares, and get new people into the club to replace the deadwood on the board. I.e. if we could see light at the end of the tunnel for the club.

But, unfortunately, itís abundantly clear that moving the football club forward and reuniting the fan base arenít the main priorities here.





Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: cheshire cat on March 15, 2018, 11:33:28 PM
It really does depend on what your aspirations are Matt. Ultimately you are looking at winning the Premiership. I'll be long gone before then. I'm not interested in watching a bunch of players trying to con a referee. I'm much happier watching honest endeavour in non-league football  trying to win a match.

I do go and watch professional football from time to time and find myself laughing at the players antics. I think I am embarrased for them.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Cider Alty on March 16, 2018, 06:47:56 AM
It really does depend on what your aspirations are Matt. Ultimately you are looking at winning the Premiership. I'll be long gone before then. I'm not interested in watching a bunch of players trying to con a referee. I'm much happier watching honest endeavour in non-league football  trying to win a match.

I do go and watch professional football from time to time and find myself laughing at the players antics. I think I am embarrased for them.
Nobodies talking about the premiership, but we are suffering the effects from a lack of charismatic visionary leadership. Playing the dog and duck in front of 500 on a tuesday night is really embarrassing.

We need to MAKE ALTRINCHAM GREAT AGAIN.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: HashtagAlty on March 16, 2018, 07:31:22 AM
Anybody who doesn't believe we are a club with the potential to be in the Football League is scared or mislead by the current leaders


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Alty Bri on March 16, 2018, 07:38:36 AM
As Fleetwood have shown, any club has the potential to be in the football league with a huge influx of investment. I believe that our natural place is somewhere in the Northern league. Right now, my personal aspiration is an investment similar to the one Southport have received, one which gives them a realistic crack at the Northern league next season.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Andrew Flynn on March 16, 2018, 07:56:54 AM
Itís ludicrous how quickly people have forgotten that we had our National League fate in our own hands in 15/16. Appointing someone to give us a chance of survival rather than sticking with Neil Tolson was the first in a long line of disastrous choices. If we acted properly after Sinnotgate we could very easily have avoided the drop in my view.

With that said, why is there this acceptance that we are a National League North club and anything more is punching above our weight? If you donít expect Altrincham to be in the National League, and strive for this club to be in the Football League, then you probably deserve to be watching Northern Premier League Football this season.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Bob on March 16, 2018, 08:37:58 AM
It really does depend on what your aspirations are Matt. Ultimately you are looking at winning the Premiership. I'll be long gone before then. I'm not interested in watching a bunch of players trying to con a referee. I'm much happier watching honest endeavour in non-league football  trying to win a match.

I do go and watch professional football from time to time and find myself laughing at the players antics. I think I am embarrased for them.

I don't want us to win the Premiership. What I do want is for this club to aim for the highest level possible with the resources available. Surely thats what competitive sport is about; dont forget we are an organisation with numerous paid employees and we turn over half a million quid a year. This isnt some plucky corinthian outfit.

I want to see drive, a willingness to embrace change and accept new blood, modern thinking, the fans put first. And its possible to have all that whilst doing the community stuff and balancing the books.




Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: MarpleAlty on March 16, 2018, 08:48:02 AM
Fleetwood might be an extreme success story, but even the likes of Crawley show that you can push up a level and sustain it after most of the investment dries up. Their average gate is bang on 2,000.

One thing worth noting about Southport is that they poached that CEO from Curzon Ashton, Natalie Atkinson (who seems to have had a big part in their punching above their own weight).

We need more 'impartial' figures at the club, more business people, on a day-to-day basis.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Matt Taylor on March 16, 2018, 09:00:49 AM
It really does depend on what your aspirations are Matt. Ultimately you are looking at winning the Premiership. I'll be long gone before then. I'm not interested in watching a bunch of players trying to con a referee. I'm much happier watching honest endeavour in non-league football  trying to win a match.

I do go and watch professional football from time to time and find myself laughing at the players antics. I think I am embarrased for them.

I think you are clouding the issue slightly by taking it to extremes. I donít want us to be Manchester City. I do want us to be Sutton United, Borehamwood, Dover, Flyde, Ebbsfleet, Bromley, Gateshead, Maidenhead, Eastleigh...etc etc.

But the reality is that we are not going to achieve that by continuing to run the club like a fiefdom, while trying to compete on raffle tickets and fundraisers. Nor by appointing board members based on who folds away the most tables in the community hall.

Just because you (and plenty of others) have Ďseen it allí in your younger days and mentally retired from wanting success, it doesnít mean we should drain all ambition out of the football club for the next generation.



Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Atticus on March 16, 2018, 09:22:28 AM
I suspect the reason that the availability of the shares is not being widely advertised is because carrying on any financial promotion (which would include the offer of shares ) is a highly regulated activity. The legislation for example precludes a limited company offering shares to the public, and any financial promotion must be authorised by a regulated entity or only directed at certain types of investor who fall into specific categories.

Itís very expensive to make sure you get it right and potentially a criminal offence if you get it wrong.



Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: oneedham on March 16, 2018, 10:13:01 AM


Thanks for explaining but personally I don't get it. My interest massively dipped over the previous two seasons, but this team and manager deserve the support.

They are a team of fighters and are giving their all each game.

I know this may sound completely random but if you compare the club to a friendship. Would you give up on your mate, being the son, if his dad made some bad decisions?

It is very sad to see only 500 supporters in the ground when we are playing some of the best football in years.

I respect your personal decision and I agree that some awful decisions have been made but I just can't give up on a team that actually deserves the support. The love and care just can't go away.

Graham Rowley should go but only when we have the correct investors/board, who have a genuine interest of progressing our football team. At present there is no interest from anyone.

At the end of the game I am only clapping the players and current manager.

How would we know? The available shares never get a mention, let alone pushed.

Youíd be amazed what happens when you actually tell the outside world where there is a vacancy, rather than relying on your own limited existing relationships (the appointment of Phil Parkinson being a good example). Not advertising to the outside world lands you with Neil Tolson or Matt Doughty as manager instead, or Grahame Rowley as chairman, (and Neil Young to some extent as the managers job wasnít advertised then either).
We appear determined to apply that same logic in the boardroom unfortunately.

Iím not suggesting people would suddenly be queuing up outside Moss Lane to buy the shares, and take over, if we advertised the shares. However, having created a great opportunity for someone new to come in with fresh ideas, to then remain silent and not give ourselves every possible chance of moving forward as a football club is negligent. Both by the board, and by those happy to stand back and let them carry on - by that I mean the larger shareholders at the club, rather than the supporters who do still turn up each week to get behind the team (in spite of the off-field issues).
And still no one has ever really answered the question of why we think we can sell the club in secret? Or why we arenít shouting from the rooftops at every opportunity? Or what exactly are the Sports Business doing? And, more importantly, why havenít the Sports Business been binned yet, rather than given new contracts on the commercial side?

I'm sure everyone who no longer goes to home games is different, but to me itís not just an immediate change in chairman that would bring me back to home games. Iíd be prepared to turn up and pay my entrance fee if I could see any sort of public/sustained effort being made to sell the shares, and get new people into the club to replace the deadwood on the board. I.e. if we could see light at the end of the tunnel for the club.

But, unfortunately, itís abundantly clear that moving the football club forward and reuniting the fan base arenít the main priorities here.





I agree with you. More needs to be done to advertise those shares, that front has been been very quiet.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: The Thriving Jezza on March 16, 2018, 10:15:17 AM
 I do want us to be Sutton United, Borehamwood, Dover, Flyde, Ebbsfleet, Bromley, Gateshead, Maidenhead, Eastleigh

I'd guess we will be playing in leagues above at least half those teams in 5 years time even without investment in alty....


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: PaulClementsLaments on March 16, 2018, 10:22:43 AM
Alty fans I know personally who no longer go to games generally became disenchanted with two seasons of dire results and performances and are staying away because of that, rather than the board etc.

Watching football is very much a habit driven activity - I know, I've been there myself. As a supporter of 40 years plus, for the first 30 years attendance was a no brainer whether it was a top of league game or a Cheshire Senior Cup match on a cold wet windy Tuesday night - I'd be there regardless. Then the habit was broken - family came along and suddenly my priorities changed. Once that CSC game is missed its suddenly not a big step to not bother with an unattractive Saturday game. And so the attendance spiral continues. My attendance was at best sporadic between 2006 and 2016 -I still followed the team, listened to Radio Robins when it started etc  but hardly went to a match. My point is that, regardless of why they are staying away, it will be difficult to get those supporters back in the habit of going to Moss Lane - other things will have taking their time and interest. Its not a criticism, its just how it is. This season I have been to as many games as I can, the current side has been very entertaining and I've got the bug again. I just hope others can return soon and have their enthusiasm for the club reawakened.

Paul


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: JTH on March 16, 2018, 11:23:47 AM
It really does depend on what your aspirations are Matt. Ultimately you are looking at winning the Premiership. I'll be long gone before then. I'm not interested in watching a bunch of players trying to con a referee. I'm much happier watching honest endeavour in non-league football  trying to win a match.

I do go and watch professional football from time to time and find myself laughing at the players antics. I think I am embarrased for them.

I think you are clouding the issue slightly by taking it to extremes. I donít want us to be Manchester City. I do want us to be Sutton United, Borehamwood, Dover, Flyde, Ebbsfleet, Bromley, Gateshead, Maidenhead, Eastleigh...etc etc.

But the reality is that we are not going to achieve that by continuing to run the club like a fiefdom, while trying to compete on raffle tickets and fundraisers. Nor by appointing board members based on who folds away the most tables in the community hall.

Just because you (and plenty of others) have Ďseen it allí in your younger days and mentally retired from wanting success, it doesnít mean we should drain all ambition out of the football club for the next generation.



For context, my local club York City, remained full time having suffered two successive relegations. Currently in the CN play off positions their annual operating budget is c£1m, roughly twice that of ours and like Harrogate rely on their chairman to act as benefactor to make up a significant shortfall. In York's case this is c£250k pa, Harrogate's is much, much larger. I think we can ignore Salford. For us to progress into the Conference National we need to be looking at doubling our income. How this can / could be achieved needs to be explored exhaustively and with an open mind. This is the Board's principle job as far as I'm concerned. Having been at Bromley, Maidenhead and Sutton United all of whom are good models of community clubs, no-one can tell me we shouldn't be targeting a return to the league they currently play in. 


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: oneedham on March 16, 2018, 12:14:43 PM
Alty fans I know personally who no longer go to games generally became disenchanted with two seasons of dire results and performances and are staying away because of that, rather than the board etc.

Watching football is very much a habit driven activity - I know, I've been there myself. As a supporter of 40 years plus, for the first 30 years attendance was a no brainer whether it was a top of league game or a Cheshire Senior Cup match on a cold wet windy Tuesday night - I'd be there regardless. Then the habit was broken - family came along and suddenly my priorities changed. Once that CSC game is missed its suddenly not a big step to not bother with an unattractive Saturday game. And so the attendance spiral continues. My attendance was at best sporadic between 2006 and 2016 -I still followed the team, listened to Radio Robins when it started etc  but hardly went to a match. My point is that, regardless of why they are staying away, it will be difficult to get those supporters back in the habit of going to Moss Lane - other things will have taking their time and interest. Its not a criticism, its just how it is. This season I have been to as many games as I can, the current side has been very entertaining and I've got the bug again. I just hope others can return soon and have their enthusiasm for the club reawakened.

Paul

A good post.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: roytonmike on March 16, 2018, 12:16:46 PM
It really does depend on what your aspirations are Matt. Ultimately you are looking at winning the Premiership. I'll be long gone before then. I'm not interested in watching a bunch of players trying to con a referee. I'm much happier watching honest endeavour in non-league football  trying to win a match.
I do go and watch professional football from time to time and find myself laughing at the players antics. I think I am embarrased for them.
This is the main point as far as I for one am concerned. I don't think anyone is looking at the Premiership (!), by the way, but for a number of people - certainly a number of those with whom I associate, who tend to be non-shouters by instinct - one of the major attractions of Alty FC is precisely that it isn't and doesn't aspire to be full-time or Football League. Take my own case - if I wanted to watch full-time Football League I could walk to a League One ground from where I live in less than 20 minutes and there are three more within easy reach. If I wanted ersatz Football League I'm a 15/20 minute bus ride away from FCUM; if I wanted Premiership the Wastelands are a bus ride and a short walk away. I don't wish to watch either. Quite apart from the local link through family and almost 50 years attendance at Moss Lane, what I want to watch are real people (rather than over-hyped, over-paid & under-talented 'superstars') giving 100% in an effort to win a match; where I want to watch from is pitch-side rather than at a distance; and I want the freedom to stand where I wish & with whom I wish. All of these Alty FC has given me and will, I hope, continue to do so. If we had got into the League in 1980 or 1991 I suspect "suck it & see" for a season would have been my rather reluctant approach, but that situation is unlikely to recur.
Alty's natural home at the moment is probably the Conference North, although it is perfectly reasonable & realistic to aim for a place in the National division. The down-side of that for me is the degree of restriction it places on spectators and the 'tribal' element that gets more pronounced the higher up the ladder you go. Don't get me wrong - I'm quite prepared to be 'tribal' when we play Macc or Vics - that's called local rivalry & might even extend to Stockport, but in the main I & many of those with whom I associate go to games to watch both sides, enjoy each other's company & be entertained rather than indulge in histrionics.
Let's hope the present management can get us back into the division in which I believe we belong, & take it from there as & when it happens.  


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Snork Maiden on March 16, 2018, 12:54:00 PM
I do want us to be Sutton United, Borehamwood, Dover, Flyde, Ebbsfleet, Bromley, Gateshead, Maidenhead, Eastleigh

I'd guess we will be playing in leagues above at least half those teams in 5 years time even without investment in alty....

I'd bet money we aren't a level above atleast six of those teams in 5 years.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on March 16, 2018, 01:22:51 PM
It really does depend on what your aspirations are Matt. Ultimately you are looking at winning the Premiership. I'll be long gone before then. I'm not interested in watching a bunch of players trying to con a referee. I'm much happier watching honest endeavour in non-league football  trying to win a match.
I do go and watch professional football from time to time and find myself laughing at the players antics. I think I am embarrased for them.
This is the main point as far as I for one am concerned. I don't think anyone is looking at the Premiership (!), by the way, but for a number of people - certainly a number of those with whom I associate, who tend to be non-shouters by instinct - one of the major attractions of Alty FC is precisely that it isn't and doesn't aspire to be full-time or Football League. Take my own case - if I wanted to watch full-time Football League I could walk to a League One ground from where I live in less than 20 minutes and there are three more within easy reach. If I wanted ersatz Football League I'm a 15/20 minute bus ride away from FCUM; if I wanted Premiership the Wastelands are a bus ride and a short walk away. I don't wish to watch either. Quite apart from the local link through family and almost 50 years attendance at Moss Lane, what I want to watch are real people (rather than over-hyped, over-paid & under-talented 'superstars') giving 100% in an effort to win a match; where I want to watch from is pitch-side rather than at a distance; and I want the freedom to stand where I wish & with whom I wish. All of these Alty FC has given me and will, I hope, continue to do so. If we had got into the League in 1980 or 1991 I suspect "suck it & see" for a season would have been my rather reluctant approach, but that situation is unlikely to recur.
Alty's natural home at the moment is probably the Conference North, although it is perfectly reasonable & realistic to aim for a place in the National division. The down-side of that for me is the degree of restriction it places on spectators and the 'tribal' element that gets more pronounced the higher up the ladder you go. Don't get me wrong - I'm quite prepared to be 'tribal' when we play Macc or Vics - that's called local rivalry & might even extend to Stockport, but in the main I & many of those with whom I associate go to games to watch both sides, enjoy each other's company & be entertained rather than indulge in histrionics.
Let's hope the present management can get us back into the division in which I believe we belong, & take it from there as & when it happens.  

I think for me and many others this is missing the point. I was also there through the 'glory years' when we won the league 2 years in succession and only missed out on league football because turkeys don't vote for Xmas. I was absolutely gutted.

The point is 'your team is your team' so the analogy of walking down the road to watch another team at a higher level just doesn't wash with me. I watch League of Ireland football over here and although I just like watching live football I can never get as enthused by another team in the same way I can by Alty.

The comment by the grinning cat about Premiership football is ridiculous beyond belief,  but at the same time what is the point in supporting a team if there is no ambition to progress further? Are you saying that stagnation is the ideal? Find a level, whether that be Conference North or National level and just happily stay there for evermore? If that happens whilst still striving then fair enough, but where is the incentive for players or managers if there is no plan or hope for progression?


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: cheshire cat on March 16, 2018, 01:24:13 PM
This has turned into a very healthy thread. For me, we will be doing well if we are in the conference and OK if we are in the conference north.

I know we could have been in the football league if the voting had gone right in the seventies but these days 80% of the premier league and 20% of the championship is made up of foreign imports. By my reckoning the majority of the home grown players have all been pushed down a division so if we can get back to the conference we would be watching what previously would have been division 4 anyway.

A bit of a stretch I know but you can see where I'm coming from.

A serious and hopefully non-inflammatory question for those who want change? Who are you expecting to do due diligence on any new majority shareholder? Are we going to hand over the reigns to the first individual who turns up with a barrow load of cash? Presumably not so who will make the decision?


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: cheshire cat on March 16, 2018, 01:32:11 PM
It really does depend on what your aspirations are Matt. Ultimately you are looking at winning the Premiership. I'll be long gone before then. I'm not interested in watching a bunch of players trying to con a referee. I'm much happier watching honest endeavour in non-league football  trying to win a match.
I do go and watch professional football from time to time and find myself laughing at the players antics. I think I am embarrased for them.
This is the main point as far as I for one am concerned. I don't think anyone is looking at the Premiership (!), by the way, but for a number of people - certainly a number of those with whom I associate, who tend to be non-shouters by instinct - one of the major attractions of Alty FC is precisely that it isn't and doesn't aspire to be full-time or Football League. Take my own case - if I wanted to watch full-time Football League I could walk to a League One ground from where I live in less than 20 minutes and there are three more within easy reach. If I wanted ersatz Football League I'm a 15/20 minute bus ride away from FCUM; if I wanted Premiership the Wastelands are a bus ride and a short walk away. I don't wish to watch either. Quite apart from the local link through family and almost 50 years attendance at Moss Lane, what I want to watch are real people (rather than over-hyped, over-paid & under-talented 'superstars') giving 100% in an effort to win a match; where I want to watch from is pitch-side rather than at a distance; and I want the freedom to stand where I wish & with whom I wish. All of these Alty FC has given me and will, I hope, continue to do so. If we had got into the League in 1980 or 1991 I suspect "suck it & see" for a season would have been my rather reluctant approach, but that situation is unlikely to recur.
Alty's natural home at the moment is probably the Conference North, although it is perfectly reasonable & realistic to aim for a place in the National division. The down-side of that for me is the degree of restriction it places on spectators and the 'tribal' element that gets more pronounced the higher up the ladder you go. Don't get me wrong - I'm quite prepared to be 'tribal' when we play Macc or Vics - that's called local rivalry & might even extend to Stockport, but in the main I & many of those with whom I associate go to games to watch both sides, enjoy each other's company & be entertained rather than indulge in histrionics.
Let's hope the present management can get us back into the division in which I believe we belong, & take it from there as & when it happens.  

I think for me and many others this is missing the point. I was also there through the 'glory years' when we won the league 2 years in succession and only missed out on league football because turkeys don't vote for Xmas. I was absolutely gutted.

The point is 'your team is your team' so the analogy of walking down the road to watch another team at a higher level just doesn't wash with me. I watch League of Ireland football over here and although I just like watching live football I can never get as enthused by another team in the same way I can by Alty.

The comment by the grinning cat about Premiership football is ridiculous beyond belief,  but at the same time what is the point in supporting a team if there is no ambition to progress further? Are you saying that stagnation is the ideal? Find a level, whether that be Conference North or National level and just happily stay there for evermore? If that happens whilst still striving then fair enough, but where is the incentive for players or managers if there is no plan or hope for progression?

I'm trying to point out that no matter what level we are playing at there will always be someone who thinks we should be further up the hierarchy. Yes, it can happen. Wigan springs to mind but it's rare and I really can't see it happening when we are so close to Eastlands and Old Trafford. In the meantime I'm happy to be entertained


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on March 16, 2018, 01:47:28 PM

I'm trying to point out that no matter what level we are playing at there will always be someone who thinks we should be further up the hierarchy. Yes, it can happen. Wigan springs to mind but it's rare and I really can't see it happening when we are so close to Eastlands and Old Trafford. In the meantime I'm happy to be entertained

Most are happy to be entertained. Most also realise that Championship/Premiership is definitely unobtainable for a club of our size and our catchment area (given the teams already in the same catchment area), but that shouldn't stifle some level of ambition to compete at the highest level possible.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: roytonmike on March 16, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
I'm trying to point out that no matter what level we are playing at there will always be someone who thinks we should be further up the hierarchy. Yes, it can happen. Wigan springs to mind but it's rare and I really can't see it happening when we are so close to Eastlands and Old Trafford. In the meantime I'm happy to be entertained
Most are happy to be entertained. Most also realise that Championship/Premiership is definitely unobtainable for a club of our size and our catchment area (given the teams already in the same catchment area), but that shouldn't stifle some level of ambition to compete at the highest level possible.
Agreed - where I think you & I differ is as to what level is the highest possible, or perhaps in my case desirable would be a better word. I don't see the Football League as practically possible for us for a good number of years to come, on either economic or footballing grounds, and to be honest I don't personally regard it as being desirable either, for the reasons I outlined earlier. I can stomach (just) the restrictive atmosphere of the Conference, North or National, as I do think that for a semi-professional club to compete at ConfNat level represents a positive and worthwhile goal, but for myself I wouldn't cross the street, let alone undertake a 15-mile journey by public transport, to watch Football League. Put bluntly, who would want to follow another Bury, Oldham, Rochdale or these days even Bolton? Not me.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on March 16, 2018, 02:22:23 PM
I fully accept that we will never play in the Premiership - after all we play with a round ball. I don't fancy us for the Premier League either.

I understand Mike's view, but I'd like a shot at League 2, even though I don't think we could keep it up for long. Then again, look at Accrington.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Matt Taylor on March 16, 2018, 02:28:41 PM
This has turned into a very healthy thread. For me, we will be doing well if we are in the conference and OK if we are in the conference north.

I know we could have been in the football league if the voting had gone right in the seventies but these days 80% of the premier league and 20% of the championship is made up of foreign imports. By my reckoning the majority of the home grown players have all been pushed down a division so if we can get back to the conference we would be watching what previously would have been division 4 anyway.

A bit of a stretch I know but you can see where I'm coming from.

A serious and hopefully non-inflammatory question for those who want change? Who are you expecting to do due diligence on any new majority shareholder? Are we going to hand over the reigns to the first individual who turns up with a barrow load of cash? Presumably not so who will make the decision?

I donít recall anyone being up in arms when the only firm offer we have received, so far, for the football club was halted at the due diligence stage by the current board? I think that answers your question Cat. Despite understandable reservations over their collective judgement, I think most people would accept (and did accept) there were no other options.

Either way, I think you are stepping way ahead of yourself there by worrying about that just now. We first need to concentrate on generating wider interest and getting the right people talking about it, before we worry about the next stage. And we are well off that at the present moment in time.
Then, after that, the main stumbling block is the ďvisionĒ that any new incomer must apparently share with the board. To find someone who wants to run a football club in the same archaic way that our current board do, is going to be near enough impossible.


As for where we should be (or aim to be) as a football club, then you only have to take a glance at the top half of the current GMVC table and look at the other teams there. However, looking at the respective clubs involved, I think the reality is that we will now find it much harder to pass through the Conf North than we would to survive as a Conf National club these days.
I fear that decision to promote Neil Tolson to manager (for what?) in March 2016, rather than aim for survival, is going to continue haunting this football club for many years yet.





Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Matt Taylor on March 16, 2018, 02:30:19 PM
I'm trying to point out that no matter what level we are playing at there will always be someone who thinks we should be further up the hierarchy. Yes, it can happen. Wigan springs to mind but it's rare and I really can't see it happening when we are so close to Eastlands and Old Trafford. In the meantime I'm happy to be entertained
Most are happy to be entertained. Most also realise that Championship/Premiership is definitely unobtainable for a club of our size and our catchment area (given the teams already in the same catchment area), but that shouldn't stifle some level of ambition to compete at the highest level possible.
Agreed - where I think you & I differ is as to what level is the highest possible, or perhaps in my case desirable would be a better word. I don't see the Football League as practically possible for us for a good number of years to come, on either economic or footballing grounds, and to be honest I don't personally regard it as being desirable either, for the reasons I outlined earlier. I can stomach (just) the restrictive atmosphere of the Conference, North or National, as I do think that for a semi-professional club to compete at ConfNat level represents a positive and worthwhile goal, but for myself I wouldn't cross the street, let alone undertake a 15-mile journey by public transport, to watch Football League. Put bluntly, who would want to follow another Bury, Oldham, Rochdale or these days even Bolton? Not me.

If that isnít an incentive for achieving success at this football club, then I donít know what is Michael...



Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: MadFrankie on March 16, 2018, 04:50:00 PM
I fear that decision to promote Neil Tolson to manager (for what?) in March 2016, rather than aim for survival, is going to continue haunting this football club for many years yet.
Nail on head. Don't know about you, but in the 5 minutes between Sinnott leaving and Tolson being appointed I genuinely thought it inevitable that we'd recruit a capable manager who would keep us up with ease.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: HashtagAlty on March 16, 2018, 05:20:47 PM
We don't currently monetise the following options:

Twitter
Facebook
WhatsApp
Spotify
Instagram
The majority of the website
Entrance gate
The walls outside the ground

We don't maximise our revenue on the following:
The bar TVs
The tables in the sports hall
The catering
The matchday hospitality experience
Additional hospitality revenue
High street partnerships
Merchandise
Exile packages





Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Observer on March 16, 2018, 06:06:35 PM
I fear that decision to promote Neil Tolson to manager (for what?) in March 2016, rather than aim for survival, is going to continue haunting this football club for many years yet.
Nail on head. Don't know about you, but in the 5 minutes between Sinnott leaving and Tolson being appointed I genuinely thought it inevitable that we'd recruit a capable manager who would keep us up with ease.

That comfortable appointment was set in stone for the rest of that  season the same day it was announced that Lee Sinnott had departed. Much like Doughty was promised the managers job here for this season, only staved off and averted by late intervention at a board meeting. And they wonder why people stay away.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on March 16, 2018, 07:06:45 PM
Why don't we just throw this league as it's all pally pally at this level and we can stand or sit where we want around the ground? What's the point in getting promoted where we might have to face an away contingent of more than one man and his dog and possibly impose segregation? Why don't we all just sack it off and go and watch Knutsford?

What's the point in ambition? What's the point in trying? Just lie back, relax, roll a fat one and enjoy the ambience of the empty stands. Get some old sofas for the Golf Road end and we can all become couch locked, comfy in our stagnation.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: altrincham on March 26, 2018, 05:17:20 PM
Be interesting if we manage to stay top and get promoted would the stay aways attend? Or maybe for some big playoff games?


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Pwill on April 01, 2018, 12:47:07 PM
I will not be back with my lad until Alty get back to Conf National.  The standard of football below that is not worth the admission price.  Simple as that.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Mick on April 01, 2018, 02:34:25 PM
I will not be back with my lad until Alty get back to Conf National.  The standard of football below that is not worth the admission price.  Simple as that.

Maybe...........but you could be away for quite some time.........the Conf North has moved on these days and some serious money will be needed to win it


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Andrew Flynn on April 01, 2018, 02:52:26 PM
I will not be back with my lad until Alty get back to Conf National.  The standard of football below that is not worth the admission price.  Simple as that.

Itíll be 15 beans at National League level.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on April 01, 2018, 06:03:42 PM
I will not be back with my lad until Alty get back to Conf National.  The standard of football below that is not worth the admission price.  Simple as that.

Your lad can push you into the ground in your bath chair. National North is our natural level these days. I don't see us in Conference National until at least 2024, and staying there won't be easy.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Snork Maiden on April 01, 2018, 06:36:24 PM
I will not be back with my lad until Alty get back to Conf National.  The standard of football below that is not worth the admission price.  Simple as that.

Your lad can push you into the ground in your bath chair. National North is our natural level these days. I don't see us in Conference National until at least 2024, and staying there won't be easy.

Agreed. Staying in the Conf National would've been a lot easier than getting back there if Grahame Rowley hadn't appointed his mate!


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: wayno on April 01, 2018, 11:07:48 PM
I have only ever stayed away when the lads on the pitch didnt care

I missed a good part of last season due to that

The effort is there to see this season

I enjoy watching people who care and try


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on April 02, 2018, 09:22:23 AM
I have only ever stayed away when the lads on the pitch didnt care

I missed a good part of last season due to that

The effort is there to see this season

I enjoy watching people who care and try

I don't enjoy watching my dentist......


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: cheshire cat on April 02, 2018, 07:52:31 PM
Yes, I got violated by my dentist this week.

One thing that is different at the moment is tthat we have got a squad who are triers and it has got some depth to it. During the second season in the national we were running with a threadbare squad. Once we lost Dens and Masher we were really up against it and then the confidence went. At the moment we are struggling to give people game time.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: altrincham on April 03, 2018, 07:42:15 PM
If the club go up on the last home game why not reward all the support thats been there this season and any other with a flat rate £5 entry or folk with a season ticket can bring 3 fiends in free??  Get a big big crowd in and show the team and manager what Alty can be!!!


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: Cider Alty on April 08, 2018, 10:58:25 AM
If the club go up on the last home game why not reward all the support thats been there this season and any other with a flat rate £5 entry or folk with a season ticket can bring 3 fiends in free??  Get a big big crowd in and show the team and manager what Alty can be!!!

We are about to win the glue league - I can't imagine any clubs will have to scratch around by cutting their admission price by 50% (when it is already just a tenner) so that they can get a crowd to watch their team lift the trophy.

Something is seriously wrong if we don't get big crowds for the last couple of games.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on April 08, 2018, 11:37:50 AM
If the club go up on the last home game why not reward all the support thats been there this season and any other with a flat rate £5 entry or folk with a season ticket can bring 3 fiends in free??  Get a big big crowd in and show the team and manager what Alty can be!!!

We are about to win the glue league - I can't imagine any clubs will have to scratch around by cutting their admission price by 50% (when it is already just a tenner) so that they can get a crowd to watch their team lift the trophy.

Something is seriously wrong if we don't get big crowds for the last couple of games.

Especially with the Beer Festival running at the Hednesford game.


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: jhcorbett on April 09, 2018, 06:02:44 PM
If the club go up on the last home game why not reward all the support thats been there this season and any other with a flat rate £5 entry or folk with a season ticket can bring 3 fiends in free??  Get a big big crowd in and show the team and manager what Alty can be!!!

Where can we find these 'fiends' and are there enough to go round if its 3 each?


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: wayno on April 10, 2018, 04:42:05 PM
If the club go up on the last home game why not reward all the support thats been there this season and any other with a flat rate £5 entry or folk with a season ticket can bring 3 fiends in free??  Get a big big crowd in and show the team and manager what Alty can be!!!

Where can we find these 'fiends' and are there enough to go round if its 3 each?
i know a fair few i will send you thier contact details 🤣


Title: Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on April 10, 2018, 06:05:04 PM
If the club go up on the last home game why not reward all the support thats been there this season and any other with a flat rate £5 entry or folk with a season ticket can bring 3 fiends in free??  Get a big big crowd in and show the team and manager what Alty can be!!!

Where can we find these 'fiends' and are there enough to go round if its 3 each?
i know a fair few i will send you thier contact details 🤣

He doesn't want a fair weather fiend....