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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Jezza on May 04, 2018, 02:16:47 PM
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While it's great that Mr Looney has stepped up and invested sizeably in Alty, this is at the expense of having a majority shareholding available as a carrot to a new owner which was I thought the reason behind John King's excellent gesture of donating his non voting shares to the club,.
Do we not now have yet another shareholder holding about 10% who may in 2 years time be as disinterested and unlikely to reinvest as rosenfield white and co?
Why wasn't he offered Geoff Goodwin's holding that we were always told would be left behind in the boardroom?
Not sure how much Mr Rowley paid for his shares (pretty sure it was nothing) but surely someone who gives up his free time to wash up in the bar after matches would relinquish some holding?....especially as he only got off the hook temporarily in order to bring in a decent new majority shareholder??????
I'm not sure Kingy gave over his shares to exaserbate the problem of dilution kingy created when he broke up the shareholding originally....an ownership model that will never support full time football.
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In fact having now achieved/earned promotion isn't now the ideal and opportune time for the board to make investment an absolute priority?
In all the publicity about our promotion there has not been a hint that investment is available.....it's almost like it's a secret!
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Agreed. This model will never support full time football. This is why the sh*t will eventually hit the fan again...
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While it's great that Mr Looney has stepped up and invested sizeably in Alty, this is at the expense of having a majority shareholding available as a carrot to a new owner which was I thought the reason behind John King's excellent gesture of donating his non voting shares to the club,.
No it wasn’t I specifically asked this question at the EGM and Grahame Rowley stated that the intention of the share issue was to be able to reward people like Bill Waterson, who invested modest sums. Not for one investor to buy the lot. He added, however, that should someone come forward to purchase the club, then that would still be possible.
IIRC this was correctly reported by John Laidlar on the club website at the time, but has been misunderstood by many on this forum.
Presumably Mr Looney is the first who has been able to take up that opportunity and we/the club can benefit from his expertise as a consequence.
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Little point in creating a 51% majority shareholding and then breaking it up...
Our whole problem is we have rewarded previous investors when kingy broke up the shareholding......so any investor see's others have more of a say on where that investment goes...and the old investors cling onto the shares (whilst being totally disinterested in the club) making new investment impossible....if Mr Looney does what he did when at Lancaster and upsticks will he hand his shares back?....will he as a shareholder break the mould and invest again as many interested shareholders at other clubs do?
Geoff Goodwin said he'd leave his shares in the boardroom...reward Mr Looney with these.....Mr Rowley got his sizeable chunk of shares for nothing (unless someone can show me his investment in the books) so I will ask him, what he and the board asked STAR....why do you neeed more than one share Mr Rowley?
Keep the 51% new voting shares specifically created so someone could come forward to purchase the club.....at the moment we do not have a majority shareholding freely available and the call for investment will now presumably return to the tired old hopeful occasional media bite give us some money...we'll decide how to spend it as you'll be one of many token minority shareholders....and we'll be told no-one wants to invest in Alty
Rowley frittered away the watmore windfall in dribs and drabs at a starting point of the National league resulting in us dropping to the evostick........I'm hoping the new investment will not be similarly wasted but with the same sitting chairman that possibility is heightened...
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Little point in creating a 51% majority shareholding and then breaking it up...
Our whole problem is we have rewarded previous investors when kingy broke up the shareholding......so any investor see's others have more of a say on where that investment goes...and the old investors cling onto the shares (whilst being totally disinterested in the club) making new investment impossible....if Mr Looney does what he did when at Lancaster and upsticks will he hand his shares back?....will he as a shareholder break the mould and invest again as many interested shareholders at other clubs do?
Geoff Goodwin said he'd leave his shares in the boardroom...reward Mr Looney with these.....Mr Rowley got his sizeable chunk of shares for nothing (unless someone can show me his investment in the books) so I will ask him, what he and the board asked STAR....why do you neeed more than one share Mr Rowley?
Keep the 51% new voting shares specifically created so someone could come forward to purchase the club.....at the moment we do not have a majority shareholding freely available and the call for investment will now presumably return to the tired old hopeful occasional media bite give us some money...we'll decide how to spend it as you'll be one of many token minority shareholders....and we'll be told no-one wants to invest in Alty
Rowley frittered away the watmore windfall in dribs and drabs at a starting point of the National league resulting in us dropping to the evostick........I'm hoping the new investment will not be similarly wasted but with the same sitting chairman that possibility is heightened...
I believe there is a mechanism for making 51% of the shares available should a suitable buyer be found.
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That would mean someone giving up their shares to make it up to 51%.....Mr Looney took 10,000 shares?..who has 10,000 shares and would give them up?...what mechanism?
Anyway it's all gone very quiet on the investment front....we've been promoted, we're a great investment......it does feel like we've got one person took up a few shares and we're happy with that and hopefully the whole fragmented share and ownership will go away??
Amazing these shares that are a millstone round the poor poor shareholders neck....and yet when the supporters wanted more than one single share they were eyed with utmost suspicion by Mr Rowley and co....and the fans were prepared to invest continually (unlike Mr Rowley)
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That would mean someone giving up their shares to make it up to 51%.....Mr Looney took 10,000 shares?..who has 10,000 shares and would give them up?...what mechanism?
Anyway it's all gone very quiet on the investment front....we've been promoted, we're a great investment......it does feel like we've got one person took up a few shares and we're happy with that and hopefully the whole fragmented share and ownership will go away??
Amazing these shares that are a millstone round the poor poor shareholders neck....and yet when the supporters wanted more than one single share they were eyed with utmost suspicion by Mr Rowley and co....and the fans were prepared to invest continually (unlike Mr Rowley)
Is it a great investment? The definition of an investment is to trt make a profit. You don't invest in something to lose money, which you most likely would do putting money into a lower league football club.
It needs somebody who is happy to throw money away and not many wealthy people are fans of this, otherwise they wouldn't be wealthy in the first place.
The best case scenario, from a monetary point of view, is for a big Alty fan to come forward with a case load of cash and throw it at the club, not interested in a return apart from involvement in the club and decision making. This hasn't happened yet, so is unlikely to do so now.
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That would mean someone giving up their shares to make it up to 51%.....Mr Looney took 10,000 shares?..who has 10,000 shares and would give them up?...what mechanism?
Anyway it's all gone very quiet on the investment front....we've been promoted, we're a great investment......it does feel like we've got one person took up a few shares and we're happy with that and hopefully the whole fragmented share and ownership will go away??
Amazing these shares that are a millstone round the poor poor shareholders neck....and yet when the supporters wanted more than one single share they were eyed with utmost suspicion by Mr Rowley and co....and the fans were prepared to invest continually (unlike Mr Rowley)
Is it a great investment? The definition of an investment is to trt make a profit. You don't invest in something to lose money, which you most likely would do putting money into a lower league football club.
It needs somebody who is happy to throw money away and not many wealthy people are fans of this, otherwise they wouldn't be wealthy in the first place.
The best case scenario, from a monetary point of view, is for a big Alty fan to come forward with a case load of cash and throw it at the club, not interested in a return apart from involvement in the club and decision making. This hasn't happened yet, so is unlikely to do so now.
Precisely. This is the reality and why "investors" have never come forward, because it isnt investment at all and why the board have taken the path they have these past years, in the absence of an alternative.
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That would mean someone giving up their shares to make it up to 51%.....Mr Looney took 10,000 shares?..who has 10,000 shares and would give them up?...what mechanism?
Anyway it's all gone very quiet on the investment front....we've been promoted, we're a great investment......it does feel like we've got one person took up a few shares and we're happy with that and hopefully the whole fragmented share and ownership will go away??
Amazing these shares that are a millstone round the poor poor shareholders neck....and yet when the supporters wanted more than one single share they were eyed with utmost suspicion by Mr Rowley and co....and the fans were prepared to invest continually (unlike Mr Rowley)
Is it a great investment? The definition of an investment is to trt make a profit. You don't invest in something to lose money, which you most likely would do putting money into a lower league football club.
It needs somebody who is happy to throw money away and not many wealthy people are fans of this, otherwise they wouldn't be wealthy in the first place.
The best case scenario, from a monetary point of view, is for a big Alty fan to come forward with a case load of cash and throw it at the club, not interested in a return apart from involvement in the club and decision making. This hasn't happened yet, so is unlikely to do so now.
Precisely. This is the reality and why "investors" have never come forward, because it isnt investment at all and why the board have taken the path they have these past years, in the absence of an alternative.
You're assuming that investments are only financial and monetary though, rather than maybe emotional.
Following a football team is an investment. There is time and money spent in cultivating the relationship and investing in your support. You're hoping investment pays off short term (a weekly win or in the conference even a hard fought point away somewhere tough), but also long term, across the season - be it confirming safety, promotion, playoffs etc.
I once read a quote or heard a story about Directors being at Tottenham or some other high calibre fixture (wembley) about being at the in the directors box there.
You also rule out the "my horse is bigger" strategy that some rich "investors fall in. Many rich people like to have other things their other rich neighbour don't. A share in a successful football club they can show off about, is a little better than a new sports car.
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That would mean someone giving up their shares to make it up to 51%.....Mr Looney took 10,000 shares?..who has 10,000 shares and would give them up?...what mechanism?
Anyway it's all gone very quiet on the investment front....we've been promoted, we're a great investment......it does feel like we've got one person took up a few shares and we're happy with that and hopefully the whole fragmented share and ownership will go away??
Amazing these shares that are a millstone round the poor poor shareholders neck....and yet when the supporters wanted more than one single share they were eyed with utmost suspicion by Mr Rowley and co....and the fans were prepared to invest continually (unlike Mr Rowley)
Is it a great investment? The definition of an investment is to trt make a profit. You don't invest in something to lose money, which you most likely would do putting money into a lower league football club.
It needs somebody who is happy to throw money away and not many wealthy people are fans of this, otherwise they wouldn't be wealthy in the first place.
The best case scenario, from a monetary point of view, is for a big Alty fan to come forward with a case load of cash and throw it at the club, not interested in a return apart from involvement in the club and decision making. This hasn't happened yet, so is unlikely to do so now.
Precisely. This is the reality and why "investors" have never come forward, because it isnt investment at all and why the board have taken the path they have these past years, in the absence of an alternative.
You're assuming that investments are only financial and monetary though, rather than maybe emotional.
Following a football team is an investment. There is time and money spent in cultivating the relationship and investing in your support. You're hoping investment pays off short term (a weekly win or in the conference even a hard fought point away somewhere tough), but also long term, across the season - be it confirming safety, promotion, playoffs etc.
I once read a quote or heard a story about Directors being at Tottenham or some other high calibre fixture (wembley) about being at the in the directors box there.
You also rule out the "my horse is bigger" strategy that some rich "investors fall in. Many rich people like to have other things their other rich neighbour don't. A share in a successful football club they can show off about, is a little better than a new sports car.
Good point. Also, there's a difference between an accountant's view of a good investment, looking at a company p&l account, and an entrepreneur's, who sees the potential that a football club can bring. But then, that's why they're an accountant by profession, not an entrepreneur.
The entrepreneur sees the opportunities for brand building, the development of a range of new contacts, new partnerships, business relationships, new income streams etc, all of which see profit outside of the narrow view of the club accounts.
It looks like the short lived marketing of 51% of the Club did bring out some interested parties, who took one look at what was in place and didn't come back. There was perhaps too much for them to take on, when looking at the stadium location, the long leasehold, the nature of the infrastructure, the limited potential for onsite development, the lack of commercial facilities, the lack of vision. I think it would take really serious cash, and when there are other similar, but better, opportunities to go for, why bother?
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That would mean someone giving up their shares to make it up to 51%.....Mr Looney took 10,000 shares?..who has 10,000 shares and would give them up?...what mechanism?
Anyway it's all gone very quiet on the investment front....we've been promoted, we're a great investment......it does feel like we've got one person took up a few shares and we're happy with that and hopefully the whole fragmented share and ownership will go away??
Amazing these shares that are a millstone round the poor poor shareholders neck....and yet when the supporters wanted more than one single share they were eyed with utmost suspicion by Mr Rowley and co....and the fans were prepared to invest continually (unlike Mr Rowley)
Is it a great investment? The definition of an investment is to trt make a profit. You don't invest in something to lose money, which you most likely would do putting money into a lower league football club.
It needs somebody who is happy to throw money away and not many wealthy people are fans of this, otherwise they wouldn't be wealthy in the first place.
The best case scenario, from a monetary point of view, is for a big Alty fan to come forward with a case load of cash and throw it at the club, not interested in a return apart from involvement in the club and decision making. This hasn't happened yet, so is unlikely to do so now.
Precisely. This is the reality and why "investors" have never come forward, because it isnt investment at all and why the board have taken the path they have these past years, in the absence of an alternative.
Quite right, no one invests any money or any backing in any football clubs anywhere.
Remember children - investment and ambition bad, being insular and congratulating each other for hosting a child's. Birthday party - good.
The place will fall down otherwise.
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Accrington
Aldershot
Barrow
Boreham Wood
Bromley
Burton
Cheltenham
Crawley
Dover
Eastleigh
Ebbsfleet
Fleetwood
Forest Green
AFC Fylde
Gateshead
Macclesfield
Maidenhead
Maidstone
Morecambe
Salford
Solihull
Stevenage
AFC Wimbledon (formed 2002)
All below us 20 years ago, they’ve not got where they are by accident
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We had people fighting in court over ownership of alty...
When ownership was possible....
Look at all those clubs listed above and realise what i mean by we are a good investment...not least because the money goes straight into the club not to a shareholder...we are a cracking club ready for immediate progress...
Ill bet someone invests in gateshead dagenham and the other one in trouble....and i bet they wont make a percentage yield on their money....
Meanwhile sla owner continues to invest...
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We had people fighting in court over ownership of alty...
When ownership was possible....
Look at all those clubs listed above and realise what i mean by we are a good investment...not least because the money goes straight into the club not to a shareholder...we are a cracking club ready for immediate progress...
Ill bet someone invests in gateshead dagenham and the other one in trouble....and i bet they wont make a percentage yield on their money....
Meanwhile sla owner continues to invest...
It would help if you had your facts right,... nobody has been fighting in court over ownership to my knowledge.
Alty are NOT an attractive investment in purely financial terms, clearly 20 years of not attracting any is sufficient proof of that !
Most of the clubs listed have had some form of major income from an owner(s) who could afford to spend spare money without any real prospect of getting it back.
In many cases millions, the few that have done it organically werent located 5 miles from the biggest club in the world and 7 miles from the wealthiest one.
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Berman, Lloyd and Maunders went to war in court. And why can’t we have a backer or two if sh*t like borehamwood can? Which is incidental sandwiched between two premier league clubs, one that attracts 60,000 and one that is cheap to watch
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We had people fighting in court over ownership of alty...
When ownership was possible....
Look at all those clubs listed above and realise what i mean by we are a good investment...not least because the money goes straight into the club not to a shareholder...we are a cracking club ready for immediate progress...
Ill bet someone invests in gateshead dagenham and the other one in trouble....and i bet they wont make a percentage yield on their money....
Meanwhile sla owner continues to invest...
It would help if you had your facts right,... nobody has been fighting in court over ownership to my knowledge.
Ian,
I'm surprised that you have already forgotten the considerable boardroom turmoil at the club during the latter stages of the 1988/89 season.
As I recall, there were two opposing factions bidding for control of the club and the dispute involved some high-level legal shenanigans.
Indeed, there seemed to be a period when we had a different chairman each week, dependent upon who had launched the latest legal missile.
In the blue corner were Gerry Berman and Leonard Rosenfield and the red corner was occupied by Geoff Lloyd, Gary Corbett and John Maunders.
The latter alliance eventually proved to be triumphant.
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.....Mr Rowley got his sizeable chunk of shares for nothing (unless someone can show me his investment in the books) so I will ask him, what he and the board asked STAR....why do you neeed more than one share Mr Rowley?
I'm curious - given all the shares were in issue at the time (circa 2002) - which books would this transaction appear in. The normal share transaction would be person A sells their shareholding to person B, for whatever price both parties agree on, nothing to do with Altrincham FC books at all ?
I'd also challenge the "sizeable chunk" - as at the last return GR having 5% of Altrincham FC ?
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We had people fighting in court over ownership of alty...
When ownership was possible....
Look at all those clubs listed above and realise what i mean by we are a good investment...not least because the money goes straight into the club not to a shareholder...we are a cracking club ready for immediate progress...
Ill bet someone invests in gateshead dagenham and the other one in trouble....and i bet they wont make a percentage yield on their money....
Meanwhile sla owner continues to invest...
It would help if you had your facts right,... nobody has been fighting in court over ownership to my knowledge.
Alty are NOT an attractive investment in purely financial terms, clearly 20 years of not attracting any is sufficient proof of that !
Most of the clubs listed have had some form of major income from an owner(s) who could afford to spend spare money without any real prospect of getting it back.
In many cases millions, the few that have done it organically werent located 5 miles from the biggest club in the world and 7 miles from the wealthiest one.
You could have the best restaurant in the world, but if the doors are always closed then you won't attract a single customer.
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Who'd Buy a Club Like Alty?
1. Football Benefactor - see Macc Town.
2. Asset Stripper - normally lends £££s to the club secured against the ground. Call the loan in, land sold off to repay loan to new ground / ground share / go bust. We don't own the ground but have an 80 year lease with a restrictive covenant but now have a charity as a tenant. Complicated so not attractive.
3. Vanity Project - see AFC Fylde or AQUAFORCE
4. Business Hybrid - see Fleetwood or FGR- redevelop ground as business HQ and/or use football club as marketing vehicle for business and vice versa.
5. 'Altrincham Reboot' - link the club with renaissance of the town and it's businesses (back to White & Swales?) see Sutton, Bromley.
Any more?
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We had people fighting in court over ownership of alty...
When ownership was possible....
Look at all those clubs listed above and realise what i mean by we are a good investment...not least because the money goes straight into the club not to a shareholder...we are a cracking club ready for immediate progress...
Ill bet someone invests in gateshead dagenham and the other one in trouble....and i bet they wont make a percentage yield on their money....
Meanwhile sla owner continues to invest...
It would help if you had your facts right,... nobody has been fighting in court over ownership to my knowledge.
Ian,
I'm surprised that you have already forgotten the considerable boardroom turmoil at the club during the latter stages of the 1988/89 season.
As I recall, there were two opposing factions bidding for control of the club and the dispute involved some high-level legal shenanigans.
Indeed, there seemed to be a period when we had a different chairman each week, dependent upon who had launched the latest legal missile.
In the blue corner were Gerry Berman and Leonard Rosenfield and the red corner was occupied by Geoff Lloyd, Gary Corbett and John Maunders.
The latter alliance eventually proved to be triumphant.
Thats ancient history, 30 years ago, but thanks for reminding me, I must admit I thought the post was referring to the more recent feeble attempts to extract money from us by GB in recent times.
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It would help if you had your facts right,... nobody has been fighting in court over ownership to my knowledge.
Alty are NOT an attractive investment in purely financial terms, clearly 20 years of not attracting any is sufficient proof of that !
Most of the clubs listed have had some form of major income from an owner(s) who could afford to spend spare money without any real prospect of getting it back.
In many cases millions, the few that have done it organically werent located 5 miles from the biggest club in the world and 7 miles from the wealthiest one.
You could have the best restaurant in the world, but if the doors are always closed then you won't attract a single customer.
You imply the club has not been trying to find investment over the last 20 years, completely the opposite is true as I know from personal experience.
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Who'd Buy a Club Like Alty?
1. Football Benefactor - see Macc Town.
2. Asset Stripper - normally lends £££s to the club secured against the ground. Call the loan in, land sold off to repay loan to new ground / ground share / go bust. We don't own the ground but have an 80 year lease with a restrictive covenant but now have a charity as a tenant. Complicated so not attractive.
3. Vanity Project - see AFC Fylde or AQUAFORCE
4. Business Hybrid - see Fleetwood or FGR- redevelop ground as business HQ and/or use football club as marketing vehicle for business and vice versa.
5. 'Altrincham Reboot' - link the club with renaissance of the town and it's businesses (back to White & Swales?) see Sutton, Bromley.
Any more?
The fans.
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It would help if you had your facts right,... nobody has been fighting in court over ownership to my knowledge.
Alty are NOT an attractive investment in purely financial terms, clearly 20 years of not attracting any is sufficient proof of that !
Most of the clubs listed have had some form of major income from an owner(s) who could afford to spend spare money without any real prospect of getting it back.
In many cases millions, the few that have done it organically werent located 5 miles from the biggest club in the world and 7 miles from the wealthiest one.
You could have the best restaurant in the world, but if the doors are always closed then you won't attract a single customer.
You imply the club has not been trying to find investment over the last 20 years, completely the opposite is true as I know from personal experience.
Someone had to attend the Q&A and literally ask why no one had responded to him (re. enquiry to purchase shares.)
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It would help if you had your facts right,... nobody has been fighting in court over ownership to my knowledge.
Alty are NOT an attractive investment in purely financial terms, clearly 20 years of not attracting any is sufficient proof of that !
Most of the clubs listed have had some form of major income from an owner(s) who could afford to spend spare money without any real prospect of getting it back.
In many cases millions, the few that have done it organically werent located 5 miles from the biggest club in the world and 7 miles from the wealthiest one.
You could have the best restaurant in the world, but if the doors are always closed then you won't attract a single customer.
You imply the club has not been trying to find investment over the last 20 years, completely the opposite is true as I know from personal experience.
Someone had to attend the Q&A and literally ask why no one had responded to him (re. enquiry to purchase shares.)
"I'd just like to ask a question about the share issue... I certainly made a few noises to certain people around the club and said 'look, I'd like to give some money to the club.' It's actually been quite hard to get some traction."
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If you or someone you know wants to give some money to the club, thats great,.. all he/she needs to do is ring or email the club. Standing around making noises isnt the best means of communicating ;) ::)
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He did email the club, and those charged with selling it, he got no response and had to come to the public meeting to ask why...
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It would help if you had your facts right,... nobody has been fighting in court over ownership to my knowledge.
Alty are NOT an attractive investment in purely financial terms, clearly 20 years of not attracting any is sufficient proof of that !
Most of the clubs listed have had some form of major income from an owner(s) who could afford to spend spare money without any real prospect of getting it back.
In many cases millions, the few that have done it organically werent located 5 miles from the biggest club in the world and 7 miles from the wealthiest one.
You could have the best restaurant in the world, but if the doors are always closed then you won't attract a single customer.
You imply the club has not been trying to find investment over the last 20 years, completely the opposite is true as I know from personal experience.
So, in this ‘personal experience’ of yours Foden, what did we have to offer these people over the past 20 years when we made all this effort to attract investment into the club? Half a page in the program? A horse in the race-night? Sponsorship of Gary Scott’s socks? It seems very peculiar to me that we would have made so much effort to attract investment/investors over that period, but have suddenly became so shy now we actually have something tangible to offer people...
It’s not limited to Pete’s earlier list either, almost every club above us in the football pecking order has managed to attract these people to buy into their clubs (hence why they have moved above us while we stood still), so the idea that they don’t exist doesn’t ring true.
I understand that dinosaurs like yourself have more than enough Alty memories of your own (from when we used to be good) in the football w@nk bank to keep you smiling until the grave - incidentally, from a period where when we were actually proactive about attracting investment into the club, and not more concerned with protecting one man’s retirement hobby. But that is no excuse for you, or anyone else for that matter, sucking the ambition out of the club for the next generation of fans who follow.
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If you or someone you know wants to give some money to the club, thats great,.. all he/she needs to do is ring or email the club. Standing around making noises isnt the best means of communicating ;) ::)
He had received no response to his enquiry.
I did state that pretty clearly. Perhaps you overlooked it in your hastiness to patronise? ;) ::)
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The gentleman in question has since bought a nice amount of shares with view to a further purchase as he continues to get a feel for the club.
He’s local, he’s clearly skilled in his line of work and he’s enthusiastic. I’m not clued up on how shares work to tell you the truth, but we’ve got an opportunity now to get more and more people like this into the club. Surely a shareholder meeting would then serve a much more constructive purpose if it was attended by people with a bit of clout? How many of our shareholders even express an interest at the moment?
Don’t let anyone tell you they aren’t out there. This doesn’t need to be some needle in a haystack mission to find one Russian billionaire who’s moving to Bowdon.
Take it from someone who’s dealt with these enquiries via the club’s social media. We haven’t even campaigned to find these people but we’ve still had a few messages from interesting types. Imagine what we could unearth if we actually wanted to attract interest.
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If you or someone you know wants to give some money to the club, thats great,.. all he/she needs to do is ring or email the club. Standing around making noises isnt the best means of communicating ;) ::)
Oh I don't know, standing around tweeting has brought one share holder in already....
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I'm getting mixed messages as to whether the requirement is for one person to buy 51% or a group of people to invest significantly. How much is 51% valued at roughly?
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You imply the club has not been trying to find investment over the last 20 years, completely the opposite is true as I know from personal experience.
So, in this ‘personal experience’ of yours Foden, what did we have to offer these people over the past 20 years when we made all this effort to attract investment into the club? Half a page in the program? A horse in the race-night? Sponsorship of Gary Scott’s socks? It seems very peculiar to me that we would have made so much effort to attract investment/investors over that period, but have suddenly became so shy now we actually have something tangible to offer people...
It’s not limited to Pete’s earlier list either, almost every club above us in the football pecking order has managed to attract these people to buy into their clubs (hence why they have moved above us while we stood still), so the idea that they don’t exist doesn’t ring true.
I understand that dinosaurs like yourself have more than enough Alty memories of your own (from when we used to be good) in the football w@nk bank to keep you smiling until the grave - incidentally, from a period where when we were actually proactive about attracting investment into the club, and not more concerned with protecting one man’s retirement hobby. But that is no excuse for you, or anyone else for that matter, sucking the ambition out of the club for the next generation of fans who follow.
Wow, where did that tirade come from ?
Having been a director of this club and having personally invested tens of thousands into it, most fans would understand how distasteful it is to be disrespected by a fag packet know it all like you Taylor.
Those of us having created and still run numerous businesses and employ hundreds of people do understand investment and how to get it.
The fundamental reason people havent found Alty attractive for investment is it doesnt make financial sense and nobody with deep enough pockets has had enough love for the club to empty them into it.
Another reason I would have personally if I invested is having to deal with complete tossers like you.
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You imply the club has not been trying to find investment over the last 20 years, completely the opposite is true as I know from personal experience.
So, in this ‘personal experience’ of yours Foden, what did we have to offer these people over the past 20 years when we made all this effort to attract investment into the club? Half a page in the program? A horse in the race-night? Sponsorship of Gary Scott’s socks? It seems very peculiar to me that we would have made so much effort to attract investment/investors over that period, but have suddenly became so shy now we actually have something tangible to offer people...
It’s not limited to Pete’s earlier list either, almost every club above us in the football pecking order has managed to attract these people to buy into their clubs (hence why they have moved above us while we stood still), so the idea that they don’t exist doesn’t ring true.
I understand that dinosaurs like yourself have more than enough Alty memories of your own (from when we used to be good) in the football w@nk bank to keep you smiling until the grave - incidentally, from a period where when we were actually proactive about attracting investment into the club, and not more concerned with protecting one man’s retirement hobby. But that is no excuse for you, or anyone else for that matter, sucking the ambition out of the club for the next generation of fans who follow.
Wow, where did that tirade come from ?
Having been a director of this club and having personally invested tens of thousands into it, most fans would understand how distasteful it is to be disrespected by a fag packet know it all like you Taylor.
Those of us having created and still run numerous businesses and employ hundreds of people do understand investment and how to get it.
The fundamental reason people havent found Alty attractive for investment is it doesnt make financial sense and nobody with deep enough pockets has had enough love for the club to empty them into it.
Another reason I would have personally if I invested is having to deal with complete tossers like you.
Quick question, where does fag packet know it all rank on the scale of clique to Cancerous Vermin?
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Well, this is escalating quick
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Well, this is escalating quick
Quick, get the petrol
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Well, this is escalating quick
So did our demise under Young and Doughty etc..
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just because we've gone a week without winning all the anger rises to the top again.....
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We had people fighting in court over ownership of alty...
When ownership was possible....
Look at all those clubs listed above and realise what i mean by we are a good investment...not least because the money goes straight into the club not to a shareholder...we are a cracking club ready for immediate progress...
Ill bet someone invests in gateshead dagenham and the other one in trouble....and i bet they wont make a percentage yield on their money....
Meanwhile sla owner continues to invest...
It would help if you had your facts right,... nobody has been fighting in court over ownership to my knowledge.
Alty are NOT an attractive investment in purely financial terms, clearly 20 years of not attracting any is sufficient proof of that !
Most of the clubs listed have had some form of major income from an owner(s) who could afford to spend spare money without any real prospect of getting it back.
In many cases millions, the few that have done it organically werent located 5 miles from the biggest club in the world and 7 miles from the wealthiest one.
I still find this one odd. Have you any idea from a spectator perspective how many clubs would love to be located where we are? Macc, Barrow for a start. Close enough links wise to a major population centre (with top level football prices higher than ever) but not right next to them. 4,500 people curious enough to come and look once. Salford and fcum haven't suffered, different beasts though they are, granted.
If you're talking about wealthy investors there is now zero opportunity for them to invest in City or United now. Poor Peter Swales would never get to be City chairman now, nor would franny lee actually.
It's a closed mindset.
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just because we've gone a week without winning all the anger rises to the top again.....
I do think now is the time to strike, we've got a Summer with a league trophy in our hands. It's time to sell ourselves rather than sit back and over celebrate not beating Rushall Olympic
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Wow, where did that tirade come from ?
Having been a director of this club and having personally invested tens of thousands into it, most fans would understand how distasteful it is to be disrespected by a fag packet know it all like you Taylor.
Those of us having created and still run numerous businesses and employ hundreds of people do understand investment and how to get it.
The fundamental reason people havent found Alty attractive for investment is it doesnt make financial sense and nobody with deep enough pockets has had enough love for the club to empty them into it.
Another reason I would have personally if I invested is having to deal with complete tossers like you.
Was that just an easier option than answering any of the questions, or the real issues, that people raised?
And, rest assured Foden, no-one has forgotten that 3 weeks you spent on the board 25 years ago. So there is really no need for you to continue slipping it in every 6 months to remind people.
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We had people fighting in court over ownership of alty...
When ownership was possible....
Look at all those clubs listed above and realise what i mean by we are a good investment...not least because the money goes straight into the club not to a shareholder...we are a cracking club ready for immediate progress...
Ill bet someone invests in gateshead dagenham and the other one in trouble....and i bet they wont make a percentage yield on their money....
Meanwhile sla owner continues to invest...
It would help if you had your facts right,... nobody has been fighting in court over ownership to my knowledge.
Alty are NOT an attractive investment in purely financial terms, clearly 20 years of not attracting any is sufficient proof of that !
Most of the clubs listed have had some form of major income from an owner(s) who could afford to spend spare money without any real prospect of getting it back.
In many cases millions, the few that have done it organically werent located 5 miles from the biggest club in the world and 7 miles from the wealthiest one.
I still find this one odd. Have you any idea from a spectator perspective how many clubs would love to be located where we are? Macc, Barrow for a start. Close enough links wise to a major population centre (with top level football prices higher than ever) but not right next to them. 4,500 people curious enough to come and look once. Salford and fcum haven't suffered, different beasts though they are, granted.
If you're talking about wealthy investors there is now zero opportunity for them to invest in City or United now. Poor Peter Swales would never get to be City chairman now, nor would franny lee actually.
It's a closed mindset.
Dead right: Altrincham is right in amongst a hot bed of football. There's an opportunity for a third force in Manchester football and Salford is going for it. But if you had to pick a location for it, it would be right on the Airport/Rail/HS2/motorway transport hub.
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Wow, where did that tirade come from ?
Having been a director of this club and having personally invested tens of thousands into it, most fans would understand how distasteful it is to be disrespected by a fag packet know it all like you Taylor.
Those of us having created and still run numerous businesses and employ hundreds of people do understand investment and how to get it.
The fundamental reason people havent found Alty attractive for investment is it doesnt make financial sense and nobody with deep enough pockets has had enough love for the club to empty them into it.
Another reason I would have personally if I invested is having to deal with complete tossers like you.
Was that just an easier option than answering any of the questions, or the real issues, that people raised?
And, rest assured Foden, no-one has forgotten that 3 weeks you spent on the board 25 years ago. So there is really no need for you to continue slipping it in every 6 months to remind people.
In view of your ignorance shown above,... and just for the record, as I imagine most people on here dont know;
I was a director for 2 yrs 3 months, from Aug 95 to Nov 97 during which time I designed, obtained grantaid and managed the complete ground upgrade to league grade A status, including building much needed sponsors lounge and offices, rebuilt the accomodation and reseated the main stand, built the new pop side cantilever stand and added barrier around the ground and various other improvementsetc. All completed on time and on budget and helped the club obtain considerable commercial and investment income into the club.
In 2013-2014 I was asked by the board to design and manage the new Community sports hall scheme, again completed on time and on budget and made substantial donations to the club. Probably the biggest single improvement to the ground in the last 20 years
Apart from sniping from the byeline,... what have you done for the club then Taylor ?
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Wow, where did that tirade come from ?
Having been a director of this club and having personally invested tens of thousands into it, most fans would understand how distasteful it is to be disrespected by a fag packet know it all like you Taylor.
Those of us having created and still run numerous businesses and employ hundreds of people do understand investment and how to get it.
The fundamental reason people havent found Alty attractive for investment is it doesnt make financial sense and nobody with deep enough pockets has had enough love for the club to empty them into it.
Another reason I would have personally if I invested is having to deal with complete tossers like you.
Was that just an easier option than answering any of the questions, or the real issues, that people raised?
And, rest assured Foden, no-one has forgotten that 3 weeks you spent on the board 25 years ago. So there is really no need for you to continue slipping it in every 6 months to remind people.
In view of your ignorance shown above,... and just for the record, as I imagine most people on here dont know;
I was a director for 2 yrs 3 months, from Aug 95 to Nov 97 during which time I designed, obtained grantaid and managed the complete ground upgrade to league grade A status, including building much needed sponsors lounge and offices, rebuilt the accomodation and reseated the main stand, built the new pop side cantilever stand and added barrier around the ground and various other improvementsetc. All completed on time and on budget and helped the club obtain considerable commercial and investment income into the club.
In 2013-2014 I was asked by the board to design and manage the new Community sports hall scheme, again completed on time and on budget and made substantial donations to the club. Probably the biggest single improvement to the ground in the last 20 years
Apart from sniping from the byeline,... what have you done for the club then Taylor ?
Cool story. I’m sure no-one had forgotten that you were involved with the flawless design of the sports hall either, but a timely reminder all the same, so thank you for bringing it up. Again.
But how come every time we let you redevelop the ground, it ultimately ends with us playing at our (new) lowest ever level in the footballing pyramid?
An unfortunate coincidence I’m sure Foden...
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So basically you have done nothing apart from make insulting remarks to a fellow fan who has spent years trying to help the club :-* ... really clever that.
Sorry but you are negative, sour and almost as poisonous as those fags you peddle, bye bye.
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I do apologise Mr Foden I thought Geoff Llloyd and Gerry Berman had a fairly major tete a tete about the majority holding that ended up in court....I'm sure a former director knows far more than me though and it must have been something I made up.
I must check my facts in future.
I do enjoy the view from the main stand of the community hall roof btw....
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I do apologise Mr Foden I thought Geoff Llloyd and Gerry Berman had a fairly major tete a tete about the majority holding that ended up in court....I'm sure a former director knows far more than me though and it must have been something I made up.
I must check my facts in future. I do enjoy the view from the main stand of the community hall roof btw....
Apologies, I actually didnt know about that, it was before my time.
The obstruction of a view of the corner flag area from some seats was an unavoidable minor drawback that the AFC board were made aware of and approved before proceeding.
In life compromises often need making, so you dont think the CSH has been a success then ?
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As a seperate entity I do think the CSH has been a great success....
I hope moving forward it begins to be a real asset to the first team rather than a distraction...maybe this season we saw the beginnings of the community side start to reap dividends on match days....although alty fans have been pushed aside more than once for far more important community projects....
The ideology that the community side of the football club is more important than the 1st team is still unbalanced in my view.
But it is one more reason for a local wealthy businessperson to see an opportunity to be an investor a benefactor (amended to make it clear I am not thick enough to think putting money in alty or any other football club will see a year on year % yield)
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As a seperate entity I do think the CSH has been a great success....
I hope moving forward it begins to be a real asset to the first team rather than a distraction...maybe this season we saw the beginnings of the community side start to reap dividends on match days....although alty fans have been pushed aside more than once for far more important community projects....
The ideology that the community side of the football club is more important than the 1st team is still unbalanced in my view.
But it is one more reason for a local wealthy businessperson to see an opportunity to be an investor a benefactor (amended to make it clear I am not thick enough to think putting money in alty or any other football club will see a year on year % yield)
Completely agree with you. The extra income from the CSH has been helping us ever since it opened, that was the plan ;) ;D
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As a seperate entity I do think the CSH has been a great success....
I hope moving forward it begins to be a real asset to the first team rather than a distraction...maybe this season we saw the beginnings of the community side start to reap dividends on match days....although alty fans have been pushed aside more than once for far more important community projects....
The ideology that the community side of the football club is more important than the 1st team is still unbalanced in my view.
But it is one more reason for a local wealthy businessperson to see an opportunity to be an investor a benefactor (amended to make it clear I am not thick enough to think putting money in alty or any other football club will see a year on year % yield)
Completely agree with you. The extra income from the CSH has been helping us ever since it opened, that was the plan ;) ;D
The extra income from the CSH didn’t help us stay in the conference. Or the conference north. It helped us on our way to the lowest league position our club has ever been in because the board completely forgot that we are a football club, not a Darby and Joan Club.
Which leads us succinctly back to the point that the Chairman, whilst clapping himself on the back for the success of having the CSH, saw that as the end goal. Instead of allowing growth we have stagnated and there are massive rifts that could easily be solved if one man didn’t let his ego run away with him.
You said yourself that he wasn’t the right man for the job but “we have no alternative options” yet you are here advocating the fact he is actively blocking investment and a new chairman. Odd.
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As a seperate entity I do think the CSH has been a great success....
I hope moving forward it begins to be a real asset to the first team rather than a distraction...maybe this season we saw the beginnings of the community side start to reap dividends on match days....although alty fans have been pushed aside more than once for far more important community projects....The ideology that the community side of the football club is more important than the 1st team is still unbalanced in my view.
But it is one more reason for a local wealthy businessperson to see an opportunity to be an investor a benefactor (amended to make it clear I am not thick enough to think putting money in alty or any other football club will see a year on year % yield)
Completely agree with you. The extra income from the CSH has been helping us ever since it opened, that was the plan ;) ;D
The extra income from the CSH didn’t help us stay in the conference. Or the conference north. It helped us on our way to the lowest league position our club has ever been in because the board completely forgot that we are a football club, not a Darby and Joan Club.
Which leads us succinctly back to the point that the Chairman, whilst clapping himself on the back for the success of having the CSH, saw that as the end goal. Instead of allowing growth we have stagnated and there are massive rifts that could easily be solved if one man didn’t let his ego run away with him. You said yourself that he wasn’t the right man for the job but “we have no alternative options” yet you are here advocating the fact he is actively blocking investment and a new chairman. Odd.
I sort of see what you are saying but it wasnt the CSH itself that caused those relegations, that was poor management/player recruitment/performance which may well have happended even if we hadnt build the CSH.
I know for a fact the board didnt see the CSH as an end goal, they made great efforts to keep funding for the playing side and CSH separate, that said it could sub-consciously have diluted energies away from the playing side, well never know will we?
I think you are misunderstanding what I have been saying about future leadership/investment,... what I am simply pointing out again, is until we have an alternative, if a better one can be found, then we can only accept and back the status quo.
The board have clearly tried to listen to fans and at least one new director has been found.
As Ballers has said, which I agree with, is it remains a puzzle why, under successive regimes over at least the last 23 yrs, that no really wealthy individual has come forward to invest.
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As a seperate entity I do think the CSH has been a great success....
I hope moving forward it begins to be a real asset to the first team rather than a distraction...maybe this season we saw the beginnings of the community side start to reap dividends on match days....although alty fans have been pushed aside more than once for far more important community projects....The ideology that the community side of the football club is more important than the 1st team is still unbalanced in my view.
But it is one more reason for a local wealthy businessperson to see an opportunity to be an investor a benefactor (amended to make it clear I am not thick enough to think putting money in alty or any other football club will see a year on year % yield)
Completely agree with you. The extra income from the CSH has been helping us ever since it opened, that was the plan ;) ;D
Glad you agree that it has been a distraction and part of an ideology responsible for alty sinking 2 levels
I guess the small income from bar takings of sub 1000 crowds with people boycotting contributed a tiny way towards the playing budget..i guess also it may have helped the gates hold up and mitigated the stay aways.
I look forward to the csh being part of the backbone of the football club but dont lets exagerate its contribution and completely ignore its impact in our league status eh?
You are putting words into my mouth here to suit your argument,... I honestly dont think it has been a distraction, but I accept it is possible.
On bar takings etc,... I dont know the exact figures but IRO 60K pa extra income since it was built, by any measure that isnt small and there is considerable evidence it has attracted lots of news fans and families who would NOT have come previously when we had no decent facility to cater/entertain them.
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I do not accept or back the status quo thanks.
And im sick of being told to and that there is no alternative.
If rowley did the decent thing and stepped aside we would fill the gap same day
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I do not accept or back the status quo thanks.
And im sick of being told to and that there is no alternative.
If rowley did the decent thing and stepped aside we would fill the gap same day
Nobody is saying there is no alternative,... but it hasnt happened yet !
Are you really that naive you believe that by some magic a better option would appear the same day, really ?
Or would you accept anyone, no matter how incompetent or useless to take over just because you dislike him?
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I do not accept or back the status quo thanks.
And im sick of being told to and that there is no alternative.
If rowley did the decent thing and stepped aside we would fill the gap same day
Yawn.....
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I do not accept or back the status quo thanks.
And im sick of being told to and that there is no alternative.
If rowley did the decent thing and stepped aside we would fill the gap same day
Nobody is saying there is no alternative,... but it hasnt happened yet !
Are you really that naive you believe that by some magic a better option would appear the same day, really ?
Or would you accept anyone, no matter how incompetent or useless to take over just because you dislike him?
Looks like Arsenal will get a new boss now there's a vacancy.
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Someone just stepped into chester...box of exacta or something.
4 plus enquiries re gateshead...a proven failure even with bankrolled full time football.....who wants to invest in an athletics track?...they wont make a profit you know!! ; ;D
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I do not accept or back the status quo thanks.
And im sick of being told to and that there is no alternative.
If rowley did the decent thing and stepped aside we would fill the gap same day
Nobody is saying there is no alternative,... but it hasnt happened yet !
Are you really that naive you believe that by some magic a better option would appear the same day, really ?
Or would you accept anyone, no matter how incompetent or useless to take over just because you dislike him?
Looks like Arsenal will get a new boss now there's a vacancy.
So the new boss will be paying Arsenal for the privelege will he ? pretty rubbish comparison Jack :o
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Someone just stepped into chester...box of exacta or something.
4 plus enquiries re gateshead...a proven failure even with bankrolled full time football.....who wants to invest in an athletics track?...they wont make a profit you know!! ; ;D
A keen supporter making an investment, thats what we need, come on Jezza, get ur wallet out ;)
Apparently its the community side of the club that he's excited about, sound familiar ?
Didnt we just get a new investor ? Lawrence Looney,... good to know we are keeping up with the Jones's :D
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I do not accept or back the status quo thanks.
And im sick of being told to and that there is no alternative.
If rowley did the decent thing and stepped aside we would fill the gap same day
Nobody is saying there is no alternative,... but it hasnt happened yet !
Are you really that naive you believe that by some magic a better option would appear the same day, really ?
Or would you accept anyone, no matter how incompetent or useless to take over just because you dislike him?
Looks like Arsenal will get a new boss now there's a vacancy.
So the new boss will be paying Arsenal for the privelege will he ? pretty rubbish comparison Jack :o
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/altrincham/8994796.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/altrincham/8994796.stm)
Took a while to replace Geoff didn't it x
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I do not accept or back the status quo thanks.
And im sick of being told to and that there is no alternative.
If rowley did the decent thing and stepped aside we would fill the gap same day
Nobody is saying there is no alternative,... but it hasnt happened yet !
Are you really that naive you believe that by some magic a better option would appear the same day, really ?
Or would you accept anyone, no matter how incompetent or useless to take over just because you dislike him?
If the board genuinely desire to reunify the club's fanbase then there's manifestly already "a better option" as chairman in the guise of one Bill Waterson Esq.
Or we could always invite Mark Harris to return......!
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I thought we were talking about investment as to progress that is clearly what is needed, seems regime change is the real agenda then ;)
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I do not accept or back the status quo thanks.
And im sick of being told to and that there is no alternative.
If rowley did the decent thing and stepped aside we would fill the gap same day
Nobody is saying there is no alternative,... but it hasnt happened yet !
Are you really that naive you believe that by some magic a better option would appear the same day, really ?
Or would you accept anyone, no matter how incompetent or useless to take over just because you dislike him?
If the board genuinely desire to reunify the club's fanbase then there's manifestly already "a better option" as chairman in the guise of one Bill Waterson Esq.
Or we could always invite Mark Harris to return......!
Fair point.
On your second point, I have realised that you do actually have a sense of humour ;D ;D keep it up 8)
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I do not accept or back the status quo thanks.
And im sick of being told to and that there is no alternative.
If rowley did the decent thing and stepped aside we would fill the gap same day
Nobody is saying there is no alternative,... but it hasnt happened yet !
Are you really that naive you believe that by some magic a better option would appear the same day, really ?
Or would you accept anyone, no matter how incompetent or useless to take over just because you dislike him?
If the board genuinely desire to reunify the club's fanbase then there's manifestly already "a better option" as chairman in the guise of one Bill Waterson Esq.
Or we could always invite Mark Harris to return......!
If we're looking at current board members, why not have Mike Adams.
I reckon he might accept we need to accept more money coming in
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I do not accept or back the status quo thanks.
And im sick of being told to and that there is no alternative.
If rowley did the decent thing and stepped aside we would fill the gap same day
Nobody is saying there is no alternative,... but it hasnt happened yet !
Are you really that naive you believe that by some magic a better option would appear the same day, really ?
Or would you accept anyone, no matter how incompetent or useless to take over just because you dislike him?
If the board genuinely desire to reunify the club's fanbase then there's manifestly already "a better option" as chairman in the guise of one Bill Waterson Esq.
Or we could always invite Mark Harris to return......!
If we're looking at current board members, why not have Mike Adams.
I reckon he might accept we need to accept more money coming in
Thank god ur not running one of my companies Jack :D
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When do the preseason friendlies start ? It's only been a fortnight and the polluted atmosphere on here is a health hazard.
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I do not accept or back the status quo thanks.
And im sick of being told to and that there is no alternative.
If rowley did the decent thing and stepped aside we would fill the gap same day
Nobody is saying there is no alternative,... but it hasnt happened yet !
Are you really that naive you believe that by some magic a better option would appear the same day, really ?
Or would you accept anyone, no matter how incompetent or useless to take over just because you dislike him?
If the board genuinely desire to reunify the club's fanbase then there's manifestly already "a better option" as chairman in the guise of one Bill Waterson Esq.
Or we could always invite Mark Harris to return......!
If we're looking at current board members, why not have Mike Adams.
I reckon he might accept we need to accept more money coming in
Thank god ur not running one of my companies Jack :D
I know right, heaven forbid, you'd might even have to do things differently... scary!
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I do not accept or back the status quo thanks.
And im sick of being told to and that there is no alternative.
If rowley did the decent thing and stepped aside we would fill the gap same day
Nobody is saying there is no alternative,... but it hasnt happened yet !
Are you really that naive you believe that by some magic a better option would appear the same day, really ?
Or would you accept anyone, no matter how incompetent or useless to take over just because you dislike him?
If the board genuinely desire to reunify the club's fanbase then there's manifestly already "a better option" as chairman in the guise of one Bill Waterson Esq.
Or we could always invite Mark Harris to return......!
Fair point.
On your second point, I have realised that you do actually have a sense of humour ;D ;D keep it up 8)
I do believe that Mark Harris would prove to be an ideal conduit between the board and the supporters, particularly as he is palpably more proficient in certain key areas such as communication/interpersonal skills and PR acumen than Grahame Rowley.
However, I am fully aware that under our current leadership, there's more chance of Stormy Daniels being appointed as the new CSH manager than Mark Harris ever being welcomed back into the fold.
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"However, I am fully aware that under our current leadership, there's more chance of Stormy Daniels being appointed as the new CSH manager than Mark Harris ever being welcomed back into the fold"
Might bring a few more in ;D
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I do not accept or back the status quo thanks.
And im sick of being told to and that there is no alternative.
If rowley did the decent thing and stepped aside we would fill the gap same day
Nobody is saying there is no alternative,... but it hasnt happened yet !
Are you really that naive you believe that by some magic a better option would appear the same day, really ?
Or would you accept anyone, no matter how incompetent or useless to take over just because you dislike him?
If the board genuinely desire to reunify the club's fanbase then there's manifestly already "a better option" as chairman in the guise of one Bill Waterson Esq.
Or we could always invite Mark Harris to return......!
Fair point.
On your second point, I have realised that you do actually have a sense of humour ;D ;D keep it up 8)
I do believe that Mark Harris would prove to be an ideal conduit between the board and the supporters, particularly as he is palpably more proficient in certain key areas such as communication/interpersonal skills and PR acumen than Grahame Rowley.
However, I am fully aware that under our current leadership, there's more chance of Stormy Daniels being appointed as the new CSH manager than Mark Harris ever being welcomed back into the fold.
;D ;D
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I do not accept or back the status quo thanks.
And im sick of being told to and that there is no alternative.
If rowley did the decent thing and stepped aside we would fill the gap same day
Nobody is saying there is no alternative,... but it hasnt happened yet !
Are you really that naive you believe that by some magic a better option would appear the same day, really ?
Or would you accept anyone, no matter how incompetent or useless to take over just because you dislike him?
If the board genuinely desire to reunify the club's fanbase then there's manifestly already "a better option" as chairman in the guise of one Bill Waterson Esq.
Or we could always invite Mark Harris to return......!
If we're looking at current board members, why not have Mike Adams.
I reckon he might accept we need to accept more money coming in
Thank god ur not running one of my companies Jack :D
I know right, heaven forbid, you'd might even have to do things differently... scary!
Please dont be offended Jack, but I would lose all my clients after youve given them all an ear bashing ;) ;) :D
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Doing a laughing emoji doesn't make a comment amusing
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Doing a laughing emoji doesn't make a comment amusing
I found Cults comments amusing, you never find anything amusing :o only joking ;)
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Halifax Town go full time....
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Halifax Town go full time....
Better placed to do that than some - at least on paper - provided they fulfil their potential quickly.
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Going back to the subject of investment, it is interesting to see what has happened to Morcambe they have been taken over by Bond Group Investments Limited, who are based in London, no obvious connection to the club.
According to Companies House, the nature of their business is the buying and selling of own real estate.
What could possibly go wrong there?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6183385/morecambe-confirm-take-over-football-league/
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Going back to the subject of investment, it is interesting to see what has happened to Morcambe they have been taken over by Bond Group Investments Limited, who are based in London, no obvious connection to the club.
According to Companies House, the nature of their business is the buying and selling of own real estate.
What could possibly go wrong there?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6183385/morecambe-confirm-take-over-football-league/
what could go wrong? Well I guarantee they will be playing at a higher level than Alty the next 10 years
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Going back to the subject of investment, it is interesting to see what has happened to Morcambe they have been taken over by Bond Group Investments Limited, who are based in London, no obvious connection to the club.
According to Companies House, the nature of their business is the buying and selling of own real estate.
What could possibly go wrong there?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6183385/morecambe-confirm-take-over-football-league/
what could go wrong? Well I guarantee they will be playing at a higher level than Alty the next 10 years
I wouldn't bank on it Jimmy. They're actually in quite a vulnerable position.
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Iv heard it before Phil,Macc have been going bust for 20 years
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5 Hale businessmen (one now Jersey based) on the train back from a day of racing.
None of them knew of share issue, or where online to read about it.
All United fans who occasionally watch us.
We can't even tell the neighbours correctly.
Let's get a for sale sign up ffs.
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5 Hale businessmen (one now Jersey based) on the train back from a day of racing.
None of them knew of share issue, or where online to read about it.
All United fans who occasionally watch us.
We can't even tell the neighbours correctly.
Let's get a for sale sign up ffs.
This post pretty much wraps up the thread to be honest.
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5 Hale businessmen (one now Jersey based) on the train back from a day of racing.
None of them knew of share issue, or where online to read about it.
All United fans who occasionally watch us.
We can't even tell the neighbours correctly.
Let's get a for sale sign up ffs.
This post pretty much wraps up the thread to be honest.
It also sums up the situation the club find themselves struggling with as a whole. Five businessmen live round the corner but support the largest club in England five miles down the road, rather than their local club. It's generally the way of the world nowadays, unfortunately.
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Going back to the subject of investment, it is interesting to see what has happened to Morcambe they have been taken over by Bond Group Investments Limited, who are based in London, no obvious connection to the club.
According to Companies House, the nature of their business is the buying and selling of own real estate.
What could possibly go wrong there?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6183385/morecambe-confirm-take-over-football-league/
what could go wrong? Well I guarantee they will be playing at a higher level than Alty the next 10 years
I wouldn't bank on it Jimmy. They're actually in quite a vulnerable position.
Maybe, maybe not. But the very worst that would happen is that they’d go back to exactly where they started from before the initial investment, playing regional football in front of 200 fans, after having enjoyed 20 years in the football league.
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Going back to the subject of investment, it is interesting to see what has happened to Morcambe they have been taken over by Bond Group Investments Limited, who are based in London, no obvious connection to the club.
According to Companies House, the nature of their business is the buying and selling of own real estate.
What could possibly go wrong there?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6183385/morecambe-confirm-take-over-football-league/
what could go wrong? Well I guarantee they will be playing at a higher level than Alty the next 10 years
I wouldn't bank on it Jimmy. They're actually in quite a vulnerable position.
Maybe, maybe not. But the very worst that would happen is that they’d go back to exactly where they started from before the initial investment, playing regional football in front of 200 fans, after having enjoyed 20 years in the football league.
Only 11 years as a league club - 12 years in the Conference before that though, so 23 years since they were in regional football.
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I see Gateshead have found new investors to keep the club full time,management structure in place and a vision to take the club forward with the aim of league football,found inside three weeks. It’s no surprise though because the north east isn’t impoverished, spennymoor and South Shields aren’t already local
Bankrolled nonleague teams and Gateshead don’t only average 852 in the national league.......
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I note today gateshead's skipper has signed for afc F£lde......
Also will we play Nuneaton town this season????...real shenanigans going on there...
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I have been wondering about Nuneaton, too.
If we don't play them, though, and assuming the FA's reorganisation, doesn't affect this, that means Gainsborough Trinity are in line for a reprieve and we get to see Lee Sinnott again!
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I see Gateshead have found new investors to keep the club full time,management structure in place and a vision to take the club forward with the aim of league football,found inside three weeks. It’s no surprise though because the north east isn’t impoverished, spennymoor and South Shields aren’t already local
Bankrolled nonleague teams and Gateshead don’t only average 852 in the national league.......
There’s no one interested in non league football clubs mate. :) ;) :)
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Nobodies interested in nonleague football clubs part 3462
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/vincent-kompany-stockport-county-takeover-14723931
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I see Gateshead have found new investors to keep the club full time,management structure in place and a vision to take the club forward with the aim of league football,found inside three weeks. It’s no surprise though because the north east isn’t impoverished, spennymoor and South Shields aren’t already local
Bankrolled nonleague teams and Gateshead don’t only average 852 in the national league.......
Gateshead to go part-time after buyer withdraws takeover bid.
Didnt stack up did it :o ::)
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I see Gateshead have found new investors to keep the club full time,management structure in place and a vision to take the club forward with the aim of league football,found inside three weeks. It’s no surprise though because the north east isn’t impoverished, spennymoor and South Shields aren’t already local
Bankrolled nonleague teams and Gateshead don’t only average 852 in the national league.......
Gateshead to go part-time after buyer withdraws takeover bid.
Didnt stack up did it :o ::)
The most concrete result of which has been another of their first team squad signing for York City this morning - I think that's four now.
http://nonleaguedaily.com/york-sign-gateshead-striker-langstaff/
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Pukka Pieman as usual delighted to see a lack of investment at the top level of non league football.....shrugs shoulders, no point in having ambitions...may as well give up eh?
1 of 2 things will happen at Gateshead......they will not find an investor capable of taking them forward at full time status so will keep looking but stay as high as they can as a part time sustainable club probably beating Alty at every opportuinity......
or they WILL find another investor, they will go back to full time status, compete at the top of the national league, aim for promotion to the football league, big cup runs and perhaps a trophy final.....
AT LEAST THEY WILL F**KING TRY !!!!!
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Pukka Pieman as usual delighted to see a lack of investment at the top level of non league football.....shrugs shoulders, no point in having ambitions...may as well give up eh?
1 of 2 things will happen at Gateshead......they will not find an investor capable of taking them forward at full time status so will keep looking but stay as high as they can as a part time sustainable club probably beating Alty at every opportuinity......
or they WILL find another investor, they will go back to full time status, compete at the top of the national league, aim for promotion to the football league, big cup runs and perhaps a trophy final.....
AT LEAST THEY WILL F**KING TRY !!!!!
https://soundcloud.com/northeastfootballpodcast/richard-bennett-on-gatesheads-takeover-collapse (https://soundcloud.com/northeastfootballpodcast/richard-bennett-on-gatesheads-takeover-collapse)
Very interesting interview with Heed's Chair & co-owner on the takeover collapse.
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Pukka Pieman as usual delighted to see a lack of investment at the top level of non league football.....shrugs shoulders, no point in having ambitions...may as well give up eh?
1 of 2 things will happen at Gateshead......they will not find an investor capable of taking them forward at full time status so will keep looking but stay as high as they can as a part time sustainable club probably beating Alty at every opportuinity......
or they WILL find another investor, they will go back to full time status, compete at the top of the national league, aim for promotion to the football league, big cup runs and perhaps a trophy final.....
AT LEAST THEY WILL F**KING TRY !!!!!
You clearly dont read my posts do you !
I am just as ambitious as you. Not only have I actually invested in the club but been an integral part of seeking it for many years. I bet I have tried a damn sight more than you have ::)
But having this experience has taught me the REALITY whereas so much of what is posted is a mixture of wishful thinking and downright desperation.
There are some key factors why people would invest in Alty,.. the fact that nobody has invested heavily in at least 20 years I know of should give you a clue.
I want Alty full time and in the NL and hopefully the FL in my lifetime, is that ambitious enough for you Jezza ;)
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Pukka Pieman as usual delighted to see a lack of investment at the top level of non league football.....shrugs shoulders, no point in having ambitions...may as well give up eh?
1 of 2 things will happen at Gateshead......they will not find an investor capable of taking them forward at full time status so will keep looking but stay as high as they can as a part time sustainable club probably beating Alty at every opportuinity......
or they WILL find another investor, they will go back to full time status, compete at the top of the national league, aim for promotion to the football league, big cup runs and perhaps a trophy final.....
AT LEAST THEY WILL F**KING TRY !!!!!
You clearly dont read my posts do you !
I am just as ambitious as you. Not only have I actually invested in the club but been an integral part of seeking it for many years. I bet I have tried a damn sight more than you have ::)
But having this experience has taught me the REALITY whereas so much of what is posted is a mixture of wishful thinking and downright desperation.
There are some key factors why people would invest in Alty,.. the fact that nobody has invested heavily in at least 20 years I know of should give you a clue.
I want Alty full time and in the NL and hopefully the FL in my lifetime, is that ambitious enough for you Jezza ;)
Have you stopped at all over that period to ask yourself why you have been so consistently unsuccessful, where as other clubs so obviously haven’t?
God loves a trier Fods. But, if you are genuine in your desire to see league football at Moss Lane in your lifetime, then it’s high time we found you something more suitable to do to help the football club.
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Go back through the history of non-league football on Tyneside, and there are numerous examples of both Gateshead and South Shields going bust, merging, or re-forming. As things stand, Shields are on the up but probably need better facilities before they can really expand, so watch this space.
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All I see is negativity from pukka's posts.....
Not having any shares available has been a major factor over the last 20 years....a period that followed regular battles for control of the club...odd that isn't it?.....also up to a few years ago the club had a very unattractive looking balance sheet.