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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: One Foot in the Grave on January 07, 2019, 10:13:35 AM
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Unarguably the most important game of the season so far. They've got over their recent form slip to some extent, but clearly aren't the juggernaut they seemed to be in August and September.
The wheels were back on the bus at Boston, although we didn't really beat very much. Play largely as we did in the last 25 minutes of the first half there, and we need fear nobody. Sit deep like we did in the last 20 minutes of the match, and we could be in trouble.
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Need to treat every game as a cup final now on the long run in. Players need to step up as on Saturday at Boston.
For me, same starting line up as Saturday, barring any injuries/illness or loans.
Hopefully good following as only 30 miles away. 4 of us going.
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Bit of a nightmare to get to on the train I believe.
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Yes curse of the rail strikes again.
Will be driving to this one I think.
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Train to Wigan wallgate then there’s a regular bus to Chorley bus station. There’s a great real ale bar at Wigan north western station which is one minutes walk from wallgate station and also a great real ale bar two minutes from Chorley bus station called the shepherds hall
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This is Saturday timetable
For the Wigan - Chorley bus, Wigan bus station is 5 minutes walk from the rail station
https://bustimes.org/services/362-chorley-wigan?date=2019-01-12
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Train to Wigan wallgate then there’s a regular bus to Chorley bus station. There’s a great real ale bar at Wigan north western station which is one minutes walk from wallgate station and also a great real ale bar two minutes from Chorley bus station called the shepherds hall
Just note that the Shepherds Hall only opens at 1pm on Saturdays.
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This is Saturday timetable
For the Wigan - Chorley bus, Wigan bus station is 5 minutes walk from the rail station
https://bustimes.org/services/362-chorley-wigan?date=2019-01-12
Wigan's very good for places like Warrington and Crewe, but the last train back to Manchester is 1655 in the strike timetable.
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One other option is to go via Bolton & catch the 125 bus, which passes within a few minutes walk of the ground, but again there are no trains from Bolton after 5pm-ish. Any way you look at it, getting to Chorley on Saturday by public transport will be a bind.
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This is Saturday timetable
For the Wigan - Chorley bus, Wigan bus station is 5 minutes walk from the rail station
https://bustimes.org/services/362-chorley-wigan?date=2019-01-12
Wigan's very good for places like Warrington and Crewe, but the last train back to Manchester is 1655 in the strike timetable.
Obviously not ideal for everyone andy, but i mentioned to someone else today that all though it’s an unorthodox route, Manc - Crewe on an express and Crewe - Wigan on an express and the same on
The way back is not the expensive epic would first appear. Crewe to Wigan is 14 quid return and Crewe return is usually about a tenner
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Or vic - Wigan outwards and wig - Crewe Crewe - Piccadilly in the way back
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The Chorley Transport Thread
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Or vic - Wigan outwards and wig - Crewe Crewe - Piccadilly in the way back
That's a possibility, especially if they allow more leeway for unorthodox routes on a strike day. In general, I think it depends how near to Manchester you live, in which case bus via Bolton (there is an hourly expess bus from the Trafford Centre to Bolton - the 300, I think - to consider as well) becomes a better bet.
The Wigan Central bar, under the bridge from North Western station, is excellent, by the way, for anyone who goes that way.
Actually, it's the Chorley transport and bars thread, it seems!
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this must be a contender for the 'most non league thread ever' award
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In a parallel universe there is a thread on a rail travel forum discussing non-league football.
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Their commitment to get there and behind the lads is exemplory. Or maybe they are only going for the beer ;D
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this must be a contender for the 'most non league thread ever' award
What sandwiches are we all packing?
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this must be a contender for the 'most non league thread ever' award
What sandwiches are we all packing?
The traditional corned beef, but there will need to be a lot for the long journey!
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Call me weird, but I'm driving there.
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I'm going on the supporters coach
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Same starting 11. Massive game again, snap your hand off a draw.
Chorley 1-1 Alty. Hampton.
PS. I'll be driving
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In a parallel universe there is a thread on a rail travel forum discussing non-league football.
:D ;D
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this must be a contender for the 'most non league thread ever' award
What sandwiches are we all packing?
A blast from the past - sandwich spread. To be eaten in the lay-by opposite the Cat and Fiddle.
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It’s a head v heart game, this one. As opposed to genuinely thinking we’ll rock up and win like I have done at the majority of places this season, my head tells me we’ll narrowly fall to defeat. We are certainly capable of a result there though, Chester away proved that.
Chorley 1-0 Altrincham. O’Keefe.
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Chorley 5/6
Draw 13/5
Alty 16/5
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Gutted not being able to attend a game virtually on my doorstep having broken my bloody ankle. As others have said, would take a draw, but we're capable of winning.
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Chorley are top of the league for a reason, but their record against the better sides should give us nothing to fear. It’s 9 league games since they’ve beaten a team currently in the top half. And that was their only victory against a top half side in their last 18 league games - a run that stretches back to the end of August.
On that basis, I’d be disappointed not to come away from the game with something, and I’ll definitely be getting stuck into those odds.
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Chorley advise match is NOT to be segregated and welcome into there social club for drinks etc.
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Call me weird, but I'm driving there.
Same here. Anyone know what the parking's like?
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Call me weird, but I'm driving there.
Same here. Anyone know what the parking's like?
The ground's hemmed in by housing on all sides so it's all on-street parking (from memory). I parked about 5 mins walk away in 2016/17 but you'd expect a much bigger crowd this time round.
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I walked out after 26 minutes :D spent the rest of the game in the Phoenix club on site, didn’t win the meat raffle
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Call me weird, but I'm driving there.
Same here. Anyone know what the parking's like?
The ground's hemmed in by housing on all sides so it's all on-street parking (from memory). I parked about 5 mins walk away in 2016/17 but you'd expect a much bigger crowd this time round.
2:30 start then MF?
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Just rang Chorley FC it's on street parking. He said it isn't usually a problem finding somewhere.
Not been to Chorley before so a first for me
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GROUND WAS UP AN ALLEYWAY OFF THE HIGH STREET BEHIND the shops in the early seventies if i remember correctly
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Train to Bolton then the Bus to Chorely
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Train to Bolton then the Bus to Chorely
Last train back south from Bolton is 1735, and you would struggle to make that from Chorley.
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Call me weird, but I'm driving there.
Same here. Anyone know what the parking's like?
Depends if women or men are parking.
(I am in so much trouble!)
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Train to Bolton then the Bus to Chorely
Last train back south from Bolton is 1735, and you would struggle to make that from Chorley.
Might do Preston then and the same bus to Chorley
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Train to Bolton then the Bus to Chorely
Last train back south from Bolton is 1735, and you would struggle to make that from Chorley.
Might do Preston then and the same bus to Chorley
Yes, you can do Preston, as Transpennine Express (rather than Northern) run non-stop from there to Manchester. It's a long way round, though!
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I've been there a few times. There is very limited parking by the ground. It may now be for players only I don't know? The ground is surrounded by terraced housing with limited on street parking. I would get there early to stand any chance of parking easily. Maybe there are car parks in the town but the ground is probably a 15 minute walk from the town centre. The club house is OK but the ground itself isn't Old Trafford by a long chalk! IMO the whole area is a bit run down and depressing. SBL
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For those not going
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BT Sport are in town as the game is their featured Vanarama National League North encounter. If you can’t make it to Victory Park tune into BT Sport Score from 2:30pm for live reporter updates and interviews!”
https://sport.bt.com/bt-sport-score-01364097483773
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I'll remember to take my tinfoil National League North trophy.
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Tough to be consistent and to challenge for the top 3 with the 4th best attack in the league and the 7th worst defence.
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And no subs!
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4-1 was harsh but again architects of our own downfall. Only go to in at HT 1 up has really cost the game. Hancocks free kick was very close, Richman should have scored. The first 2 we conceded were well worked from Chorley, the 3rd was a complete embarrassment (how the ball is allowed to bounce is beyond basic), the 4th was down to law of averages (if a team with 2 giants have 20 corners, they'll score from 1). I don't think Leather is a better CB than what we have but the 3rd would have not have occurred if he'd have been defending it.
Can see why Johnson came off for Mantack (who did ok) but no idea why Sang replaced Harrop.
Great thanks turn out from us again (just need Cult to stay away!)
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Well, that turned into a major reality check for some people on a very gloomy afternoon in darkest Chorley.
We were the better side in the first half, however that second-half capitulation containing some very questionable defending was all rather alarming.
The options on the bench are extremely limited, as Mantack, Williams and Sang (did he manage to have a kick after he came on?) are not capable of changing a game favourably.
Interesting match now looming next Saturday against much-improved Southport, who are now merely four points behind us.
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4-1 was harsh but again architects of our own downfall. Only go to in at HT 1 up has really cost the game. Hancocks free kick was very close, Richman should have scored. The first 2 we conceded were well worked from Chorley, the 3rd was a complete embarrassment (how the ball is allowed to bounce is beyond basic), the 4th was down to law of averages (if a team with 2 giants have 20 corners, they'll score from 1). I don't think Leather is a better CB than what we have but the 3rd would have not have occurred if he'd have been defending it.
Can see why Johnson came off for Mantack (who did ok) but no idea why Sang replaced Harrop.
Great thanks turn out from us again (just need Cult to stay away!)
Huge apologies but my dear wife wants her tranquil Saturday afternoons back.
Besides, I wanted to visit the hometown of one of my musical heroes, namely John Foxx (no wonder he left there as soon as he could).
At least I witnessed my first Alty goal in five consecutive matches though.
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Chorley have been knocking on the door for a few seasons now, just like Harrogate last year it’s probably their turn to go up, expect them and Stockport to do it.
Only listened on the Radio and it sounded like an excellent first half turned into a sub par second which Chorley ruthlessly exploited. One away clean sheet by mid-Jan tells it’s own story though. We’ll need to do better at the back if we are to challenge at this level.
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We need :
1. To press home our advantage when we're in control. Should have been arguably 3-0 up at half time.
2. To stop giving the ball away cheaply when we're under no significant pressure.
3. To work harder on our handling of balls coming high into our box. Thompson doesn't take control, and there's often an unmarked opponent.
4. To get a forward in to support Hulme and feed off him. Sang is nowhere near good enough.
5. To get rid of Mantack. He's so lightweight I'm surprised Trading Standards aren't on the case.
We have a basically promising squad, and we play a lot of nice football, but if we make the playoffs (which I still believe we can), there'd need to be major upgrades in the event of our actually winning them.
We we're beaten by a decent outfit today. In the second half, they raised their game admirably, but the hill they climbed to come from behind should have been steeper, and strewn with rocks.
Southport next - the most improved team in the league. We'd better wise up by next week.
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Not at the races second half.
We need a fit Poole once his loan period is done
We need a keeper (where have I heard that before)
We need a striker to support Jordon (where have I ..........)
Most importantly we need a plan B and some subs who can come on and make a difference, not like for like...
Cmon Alty don't let the season drift by.
Southport next let's get at them and give them a beating.
Nice to say hi to Mr Coburn...
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Moving on, Southport will be really tricky. Since they brought in a couple of ringers from Bolton, they've barely dropped a point. Their defence is unrecognisable to that which succumbed so tamely to us earlier in the season. They'll make the play offs and present a serious challenge to either Stockport or Chorley. Having said all this, they won't fancy taking us on at our place. They never do. I have a horrible feeling that PP has dug his heels in over the keeper unfortunately. Fylde clearly don't want Ash, but we can't make them loan him out. Just got to hope they find the striker they want in the coming week so they can let him come back. It's really harsh I know, but I'd release Mantack and send Sang back. Alas, they're not what we need.
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Genuinely thought we’d get something today after studying their form against the better sides (suppose that’s why you don’t get poor bookmakers etc...), but they were so clinical that it could have ended up 7 or 8 if they’d have bothered with the first 30 mins/we hadn’t started so well.
We also need to do something about the right wing. JJ has been AWOL for a few weeks now (hopefully just needs a rest), and playing Hulme our there for a lot of the game, like today, isn’t the answer.
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One goal for our dominance in the first half wasn’t enough. Should have been at least three. Just weren’t clinical enough plus the woodwork and last ditch clearance/blocks.
Second half we were undone by clinical finishing , poor defending, poor substitutions. I also don’t understand why we don’t shoot when we have a good opportunity.
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Over the winter period we've been shown how far off the top we are currently - and the good news is that it's nowhere near as far as we thought it would be at the start of the season.
A good goalkeeper doesn't just do the basics; he gets his defence out of jail once or twice a game. Thompson does neither. Much like proven goalscorers, good goalkeepers are tough to find - particularly mid season. I fully expect PP is monitoring the situation, but there's no point in getting any old keeper just for the sake of it. It's that type of recruitment policy that got us in trouble.
I actually thought we defended magnificently in the first half. We dealt witb everything they put into the box. Maybe it's a concentration thing, to a man we were dreadful second half. I thought Leather was fabulous marshalling their back line, I do miss him.
The players need to be encouraged to shoot on sight; we seemed to be doing this more often in the first half when their goalkeeper was struggling with the wet surface, and we obviously got our goal from it. When JJ was through in the second half, he wasn't in too dissimilar a position to Wilson when he scored their second. Guess what - he put his lace through it. Their goalkeeper didn't look much better than ours.
We definitely need some better options off the bench, however considering how little we've seen of two of pur best players last season (Poole and Harrison) we're not doing too bad. We badly missed Poole's ball retention yesterday, nobody does it even remotely as well as him, and that's the difference at this level.
I wasn't too impressed with shouts of 'murderer' at Meppen-Walters. The lad might deserve some stick, but I'd like to think we're better than that (I appreciate some will disagree).
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Over the winter period we've been shown how far off the top we are currently - and the good news is that it's nowhere near as far as we thought it would be at the start of the season.
A good goalkeeper doesn't just do the basics; he gets his defence out of jail once or twice a game. Thompson does neither. Much like proven goalscorers, good goalkeepers are tough to find - particularly mid season. I fully expect PP is monitoring the situation, but there's no point in getting any old keeper just for the sake of it. It's that type of recruitment policy that got us in trouble.
I actually thought we defended magnificently in the first half. We dealt witb everything they put into the box. Maybe it's a concentration thing, to a man we were dreadful second half. I thought Leather was fabulous marshalling their back line, I do miss him.
The players need to be encouraged to shoot on sight; we seemed to be doing this more often in the first half when their goalkeeper was struggling with the wet surface, and we obviously got our goal from it. When JJ was through in the second half, he wasn't in too dissimilar a position to Wilson when he scored their second. Guess what - he put his lace through it. Their goalkeeper didn't look much better than ours.
We definitely need some better options off the bench, however considering how little we've seen of two of pur best players last season (Poole and Harrison) we're not doing too bad. We badly missed Poole's ball retention yesterday, nobody does it even remotely as well as him, and that's the difference at this level.
I wasn't too impressed with shouts of 'murderer' at Meppen-Walters. The lad might deserve some stick, but I'd like to think we're better than that (I appreciate some will disagree).
Murderer doesn't sound nice.
However, it is true. If you asked the parents of the two victims they would agree...
Plus.. he has just been banned for another 2 years for drink driving.
It wasn't me who called him a murderer.
8 months in jail doesn't admonish his selfish actions.
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He deserves all that he gets.
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A lady with her young daughter made the same remark to me, I thought we were a bit better than that and was surprised to hear that chanted. He maybe a complete moron after being caught DD a few weeks ago after the incident he was prior involved in resulting in the death of people. Tragic as it was it wasn’t/isn’t murder, that’s a premeditated act. I feel the CPS probably went with the more realistic charge of death by dangerous rather than manslaughter and him then being found not guilty. Again, I’m not defending the bloke he appears to be a loose cannon.
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'manslaughterer' has too many syllables to get in a chant
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"Killer" would be a shorter and accurate term, avoiding the legal niceties, for someone who said he was "embarrassed" when he was caught again recently.
I would be embarrassed if he played for my club, just as I was embarrassed when we employed Simon Lenighan.
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By engaging in that sort of chant we bring ourselves down to his level. And that's pretty damn low.
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By engaging in that sort of chant we bring ourselves down to his level. And that's pretty damn low.
Erm,not really! A chant at a football match is hardly the same level as killing someone by driving like a T**t then deciding to drink drive when you get your licence back!!
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By engaging in that sort of chant we bring ourselves down to his level. And that's pretty damn low.
Give over.
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I dunno, I'd rather focus on the football to be honest. And it's not like he didn't have the last laugh now, was it?
We all know what he is. He knows what he is. I'd rather not have sections of our own fanbase feel uncomfortable about it (regardless or not of your own individual view).
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Chorley fc must be aware that by employing this individual, they are inviting these sorts of chants from opposing fans and bringing disrepute upon their club. Surely after his second indiscretion, they would have had grounds to fire him?
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Chorley fc must be aware that by employing this individual, they are inviting these sorts of chants from opposing fans and bringing disrepute upon their club. Surely after his second indiscretion, they would have had grounds to fire him?
Football seems to be above the law. That is why the FA allow dodgy people to run football clubs.
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I think the post game interview is one of, if not Phil Parkinson's best since joining the club. Frank, honest assessment.
We also need to do something about the right wing. JJ has been AWOL for a few weeks now (hopefully just needs a rest), and playing Hulme our there for a lot of the game, like today, isn’t the answer.
I touched on this recently. I think JJ is in dire need of a rest but we have no alternative.
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Over the winter period we've been shown how far off the top we are currently - and the good news is that it's nowhere near as far as we thought it would be at the start of the season.
A good goalkeeper doesn't just do the basics; he gets his defence out of jail once or twice a game. Thompson does neither. Much like proven goalscorers, good goalkeepers are tough to find - particularly mid season. I fully expect PP is monitoring the situation, but there's no point in getting any old keeper just for the sake of it. It's that type of recruitment policy that got us in trouble.
I actually thought we defended magnificently in the first half. We dealt witb everything they put into the box. Maybe it's a concentration thing, to a man we were dreadful second half. I thought Leather was fabulous marshalling their back line, I do miss him.
The players need to be encouraged to shoot on sight; we seemed to be doing this more often in the first half when their goalkeeper was struggling with the wet surface, and we obviously got our goal from it. When JJ was through in the second half, he wasn't in too dissimilar a position to Wilson when he scored their second. Guess what - he put his lace through it. Their goalkeeper didn't look much better than ours.
We definitely need some better options off the bench, however considering how little we've seen of two of pur best players last season (Poole and Harrison) we're not doing too bad. We badly missed Poole's ball retention yesterday, nobody does it even remotely as well as him, and that's the difference at this level.
I wasn't too impressed with shouts of 'murderer' at Meppen-Walters. The lad might deserve some stick, but I'd like to think we're better than that (I appreciate some will disagree).
Players returning from injury would undoubtedly strengthen the bench (which would definitely be a positive right now), but would they start? For me, Hancock is a more effective player than James Poole, and Harrison wouldn’t get in the first eleven ahead of Hannigan or Jones. Fully agree that there is no point making signings for the sake of (that’s how Sang happens), but we do need players coming in who are better than the ones we currently have.
Owen Dale showed the levels that could be achieved by some of the other players, when we inject that extra bit of quality into the side that we don’t already have. We gained more points in the 10 league games that he started than we have in the other 15 games that he hasn’t started. Indeed, averaged out over the season, the points/game with OD in the starting line up would have got us to the lofty heights of 3rd place in last season’s National League North!
However, the points/game return in the other matches this season without OD would have seen us avoid relegation by only 4 points in last year’s league table...
That’s not to downplay the contribution of others this season, or suggest that players of that quality are easy to come by at this level (full credit to everyone involved in making that loan happen BTW), or even that they would need to be half as good as Owen Dale. It’s just that anyone coming into the side would need to be better than those they are replacing in order to make a significant difference over the 2nd half of the season, and I can’t see either Poole or Harrison being able to make that sort of impact.
Here’s hoping for positive news this week regarding incoming signings/loan players, before two key home games in quick succession that could set the tone for how we kick on for the rest of the season.
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I find myself in total agreement with Matt again ! What's come over you m8 :D ;
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Over the winter period we've been shown how far off the top we are currently - and the good news is that it's nowhere near as far as we thought it would be at the start of the season.
A good goalkeeper doesn't just do the basics; he gets his defence out of jail once or twice a game. Thompson does neither. Much like proven goalscorers, good goalkeepers are tough to find - particularly mid season. I fully expect PP is monitoring the situation, but there's no point in getting any old keeper just for the sake of it. It's that type of recruitment policy that got us in trouble.
I actually thought we defended magnificently in the first half. We dealt witb everything they put into the box. Maybe it's a concentration thing, to a man we were dreadful second half. I thought Leather was fabulous marshalling their back line, I do miss him.
The players need to be encouraged to shoot on sight; we seemed to be doing this more often in the first half when their goalkeeper was struggling with the wet surface, and we obviously got our goal from it. When JJ was through in the second half, he wasn't in too dissimilar a position to Wilson when he scored their second. Guess what - he put his lace through it. Their goalkeeper didn't look much better than ours.
We definitely need some better options off the bench, however considering how little we've seen of two of pur best players last season (Poole and Harrison) we're not doing too bad. We badly missed Poole's ball retention yesterday, nobody does it even remotely as well as him, and that's the difference at this level.
I wasn't too impressed with shouts of 'murderer' at Meppen-Walters. The lad might deserve some stick, but I'd like to think we're better than that (I appreciate some will disagree).
Players returning from injury would undoubtedly strengthen the bench (which would definitely be a positive right now), but would they start? For me, Hancock is a more effective player than James Poole, and Harrison wouldn’t get in the first eleven ahead of Hannigan or Jones. Fully agree that there is no point making signings for the sake of (that’s how Sang happens), but we do need players coming in who are better than the ones we currently have.
Owen Dale showed the levels that could be achieved by some of the other players, when we inject that extra bit of quality into the side that we don’t already have. We gained more points in the 10 league games that he started than we have in the other 15 games that he hasn’t started. Indeed, averaged out over the season, the points/game with OD in the starting line up would have got us to the lofty heights of 3rd place in last season’s National League North!
However, the points/game return in the other matches this season without OD would have seen us avoid relegation by only 4 points in last year’s league table...
That’s not to downplay the contribution of others this season, or suggest that players of that quality are easy to come by at this level (full credit to everyone involved in making that loan happen BTW), or even that they would need to be half as good as Owen Dale. It’s just that anyone coming into the side would need to be better than those they are replacing in order to make a significant difference over the 2nd half of the season, and I can’t see either Poole or Harrison being able to make that sort of impact.
Here’s hoping for positive news this week regarding incoming signings/loan players, before two key home games in quick succession that could set the tone for how we kick on for the rest of the season.
Good post. There must be some hungry young players in the two league below who have potential to step up. I wonder how many scouts the club has?
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I find myself in total agreement with Matt again ! What's come over you m8 :D ;
I tend to find that most people do come round eventually Ian.
Perhaps we should have an in-depth discussion on how best to fund any potential additions, just to keep us both on safe ground? :)