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Title: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 12, 2019, 05:09:47 PM
Thompson is costing us points. He makes 2 or 3 mistakes every single game. My mate hasn't watched Alty for 3 years and thought he was terrible.

Their first goal seemed to go under him far too easily.

Second goal was him giving back the possession. I appreciate  it was in play for 2 or 3 mins after him kicking against their player but it should have been down their end.

Put Hampson under pressure with passes when he had players close to him.

How many chances???? It is becoming a joke. He is and has been awful Parkinson so I expect you to at least to recall Wynne.

White was terrible today. Gave his man 10 yards all the time. All over the park we need to get tighter, they did it second half and battered us.

We were hammering them down the right first half with JJ, then decided to go down the left all second half and subsititued JJ. JJ had one decent pass second and skinned his man, should have cut back in and shot.

Need to get more players in the box.

As I said before the game we need the right players on the bench.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: JD on January 12, 2019, 06:12:16 PM
Judging by the commentary PP had to sub JJ as he was risking a 2nd yellow.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 12, 2019, 06:33:33 PM
When we are chasing a game our main outlet should not have been subbed. Respect our management but some decisons are being wrongly made. I know I keep repeating it and it won't do TT confidence any good but he needs dropping.
You can hear gasps of breath from fans when the ball is played back to him.
I have never seen a player make so many mistakes week in and week out and keep his place.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 12, 2019, 06:35:14 PM
To add this decision to play him could quite easily be the difference in making the playoffs.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on January 12, 2019, 07:04:22 PM



I did speak with Stuart Coburn on the terraces prior to kick-off, however I failed to tempt him to come out of retirement.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 12, 2019, 07:05:53 PM



I did speak with Stuart Coburn on the terraces prior to kick-off, however I failed to tempt him to come out of retirement.


Best non league keeper. We were so lucky to have him. He gained us points.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: Shearer on January 12, 2019, 07:36:43 PM
I am usually a spectator to the forum but I have to say to single out TT today is incredibly harsh. He made a fantastic save to keep us in the game. Chorley were simply clinical in second half today and at any level that’s got to be the difference between a good and a top side. We did it last year.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 12, 2019, 07:45:53 PM
Enough is enough. He was crap last season and is still crap.
I blame PP more than Thompson but this needs addressing.
It's not the position of full back or the wing,it is goalkeeper.
Far too many mistakes, his kicking alone is sh*t every week.
Can't be arsed repeating myself about his decision making. Came off his line for a cross in the first half, luckily decided against it, that he wouldn't have got anywhere close to.
He is awful and has no potential to change this.
It is very harsh but it is becoming every week and I care for our promotion opportunity more than I do being nicey nice and giving him chance after chance.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 12, 2019, 07:56:38 PM
I have watched nearly all home games and a few away in the last two seasons and only one game I saw a keeper in Thompson and that was Chester away.
In keepers you normally remember the bad games but Chester was the only game in a season and half where his cross collection, decision making, distribution etc were spot on.
One game.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on January 12, 2019, 08:14:03 PM
I have watched nearly all home games and a few away in the last two seasons and only one game I saw a keeper in Thompson and that was Chester away.
In keepers you normally remember the bad games but Chester was the only game in a season and half where his cross collection, decision making, distribution etc were spot on.
One game.
He did nothing wrong at Boston last week. That's small comfort though.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 12, 2019, 08:17:09 PM
I have watched nearly all home games and a few away in the last two seasons and only one game I saw a keeper in Thompson and that was Chester away.
In keepers you normally remember the bad games but Chester was the only game in a season and half where his cross collection, decision making, distribution etc were spot on.
One game.
He did nothing wrong at Boston last week. That's small comfort though.
 
I didn't go but read he did some 'erratic ' kicking and from listening he was a bystander first half. If we keep making excuses then he will continue to lose us points.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: distancetraveller on January 12, 2019, 08:30:16 PM
With Wynne out on loan I would have thought TT would be more relaxed and confident as his selection is a given.
Obviously not the case

Arguably the most important position to build team confidence.
Im afraid we need another keeper.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: EX GK on January 12, 2019, 08:44:55 PM
Tony has all the tools to be an excellent non league Gk, watched today’s game and wouldn’t be laying the blame at his door. “Teams” score and “teams” concede, if chances had been taken in first half, who knows how things would have turned out. We were indeed lucky to have Stuey for all those years, but he would admit to having ups and downs during his career. Now’s a time to support the lads, not slaughter them. Remember Tony’s record clean sheet tally last season, the tide will change I’m sure.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 12, 2019, 08:51:00 PM
Tony has all the tools to be an excellent non league Gk, watched today’s game and wouldn’t be laying the blame at his door. “Teams” score and “teams” concede, if chances had been taken in first half, who knows how things would have turned out. We were indeed lucky to have Stuey for all those years, but he would admit to having ups and downs during his career. Now’s a time to support the lads, not slaughter them. Remember Tony’s record clean sheet tally last season, the tide will change I’m sure.

Totally agree with supporting the lads and I do. I sound harsh but he has NOT progressed from an average keeper last season.
Those clean sheets in a tin pot league were mainly down to a good defence. I expected clean sheets last season, being at our lowest ever standard. We simply need a keeper.
I ain't making it up when you hear people gasp when it goes back to him.
Hasn't improved and needs replacing.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: AFC56 on January 12, 2019, 09:17:26 PM
Tony Thompson isn’t good enough, never has been and never will be in my opinion, though I don’t expect any change in keeper until next season at the very earliest.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: Matt Taylor on January 12, 2019, 09:23:31 PM
I must admit I didn’t think TT had one of his worse games today, aside from a spell when his kicked deserted him again during the 2nd half. I also think it’s slightly unfair to single out their first goal, which was a wonderful move. (I did miss the 3rd due to a child needing the loo, and we’d gone by the 4th, so I didn’t get to see all the goals we let in)

However, long before that, the Chorley fans around us in the main stand were already laughing at how poor they thought he was, and were telling me we needed a new keeper, so maybe I’ve become slightly immune to it.

Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: Sarf London Alty on January 12, 2019, 09:26:00 PM
Of Parky’s many qualities as a manager, I also get the impression he can be a stubborn bugger at times. I suspect threads like this will make him even more behind TT. I for one do not think Wynne has had a fair crack of the whip this season and would like to get the chance to see him in action more before the season out. I still think Wynne could be a long term GK solution.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 12, 2019, 09:35:02 PM
My mate who is a Macc fan watched us once last season and saw the result today and asked if we still had that rubbish keeper. My answer was "yes". As mentioned above another friend came today and also thought he was terrible.
That's just two friends and two games.
Other teams know he is a weakness, they will be told to put those crosses in. Teams will press us higher to make us pass back to him as even when we are losing we still play it across the back line.
Football is harsh at times and he isn't and won't ever be good enough. I didn't think he was good enough for the league below.
I really want us to make the playoffs and I think we will but we need a commanding and confident keeper.
I am blaming PP for selecting him, he has become stubborn with the selection. PP has always said if players aren't performing then others will come in. Most important position and he is not sticking to his word, far from it.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: robininstockport on January 12, 2019, 09:36:03 PM
I must admit I didn’t think TT had one of his worse games today, aside from a spell when his kicked deserted him again during the 2nd half. I also think it’s slightly unfair to single out their first goal, which was a wonderful move. (I did miss the 3rd due to a child needing the loo, and we’d gone by the 4th, so I didn’t get to see all the goals we let in)

However, long before that, the Chorley fans around us in the main stand were already laughing at how poor they thought he was, and were telling me we needed a new keeper, so maybe I’ve become slightly immune to it.



Did you see Jones, Hannigan and Hampson at the loo? Because theycause they may as well have been.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 12, 2019, 09:37:54 PM
I must admit I didn’t think TT had one of his worse games today, aside from a spell when his kicked deserted him again during the 2nd half. I also think it’s slightly unfair to single out their first goal, which was a wonderful move. (I did miss the 3rd due to a child needing the loo, and we’d gone by the 4th, so I didn’t get to see all the goals we let in)

However, long before that, the Chorley fans around us in the main stand were already laughing at how poor they thought he was, and were telling me we needed a new keeper, so maybe I’ve become slightly immune to it.



Did you see Jones, Hannigan and Hampson at the loo? Because theycause they may as well have been.

And White, he was shocking today.

White is good going forward and I have been impressed this season but running backwards he stands too far off.  Doesn't cut out enough crosses.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: robininstockport on January 12, 2019, 09:46:04 PM
I agree White was poor today, but he wasn't one of the three Stooges who let the ball bounce in box for their third.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 12, 2019, 10:00:25 PM
I agree White was poor today, but he wasn't one of the three Stooges who let the ball bounce in box for their third.

True.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: Mausoleum Alty on January 12, 2019, 11:15:10 PM
I wasn’t there today but have seen enough of Tony Thompson to know he’s not good enough to be a National League North goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: Timperley The Best on January 13, 2019, 12:16:19 AM
I wasn’t there today but have seen enough of Tony Thompson to know he’s not good enough to be a National League North goalkeeper.


Someone on the Chorley forum sstated he is the worst keeper in the league , maybe harshly
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 13, 2019, 08:10:02 AM
Good interview by PP but again mentioned if certain players don't start performing then he will look at others.
This is where I feel angry because Wynne should have been playing weeks ago if we go off performances.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: Alty Dave on January 13, 2019, 08:57:57 AM
Agree good interview. I still believe we screwed ours selves over by playing a weakened team in the trophy. We lost momentum from this unlike Stockport whom have gone from strength to strength.

I like TT but I do feel he is highly inconsistent and I would give Wynne a go for sure
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on January 13, 2019, 10:07:58 AM
I wasn’t there today but have seen enough of Tony Thompson to know he’s not good enough to be a National League North goalkeeper.


Someone on the Chorley forum sstated he is the worst keeper in the league , maybe harshly

Maybe not !
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: distancetraveller on January 13, 2019, 10:25:51 AM
I wasn’t there today but have seen enough of Tony Thompson to know he’s not good enough to be a National League North goalkeeper.


Someone on the Chorley forum sstated he is the worst keeper in the league , maybe harshly

Maybe not !

The Chorley keeper was far from brilliant
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: AFC56 on January 13, 2019, 10:38:15 AM
The Chorley forum has got some very accurate accounts of yesterdays game.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: cheshire cat on January 13, 2019, 10:50:54 AM
A Chorley supporter left the ground with me shaking his head. He was wondering what odds he could have got on 4 - 1 at halftime after the first half display.

Things started to look dodgy towards the end of the first half if we're honest We started the second half badly and just put ourselves under too much pressure. We were giving them too much space.

Regarding the squad we're back in Lee Sinnott territory in terms of a threadbare bench. I just hope we don't pick up too many injuries.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: Alty Dave on January 13, 2019, 12:15:02 PM
Just watched the highlights, TT should have done better sorry to say. Poor defending as well. But we need to find a new keeper if Wynne is not the answer.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 13, 2019, 06:13:06 PM
Not at all comparing standards but this Spurs and United game is emphasising the importance of a good keeper.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: MarpleAlty on January 14, 2019, 12:44:39 PM
Not at all comparing standards but this Spurs and United game is emphasising the importance of a good keeper.

Perfectly acceptable to make the point - you find a competent one and your defence can relax.  Find one like Stu and they're the real difference.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 14, 2019, 02:38:59 PM
Not at all comparing standards but this Spurs and United game is emphasising the importance of a good keeper.

Perfectly acceptable to make the point - you find a competent one and your defence can relax.  Find one like Stu and they're the real difference.

Agreed. Just a vital position that we shouldn't put plasters over. It should be priority to get it right.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: Jezza on January 14, 2019, 08:12:17 PM
like finding a decent striker getting a top keeper is easiest done close season...we'd be lucky to find a club willing to release a stu Coburn at this stage of the season....
I have been critical that close season signings were poor....but we are left with our best 11 being practically last season's team ....a lot of that was down to PP giving last season's team the chance to prove themselves in this league....

I suspect and hope next close season the quality of new signings will be better and in the right areas...and PP may have to be hard and let go a few who will be unlucky to leave...

For me Jake Moult has been outstanding but having him in front of the back 4 leaves Richman to run a midfield single handedly.....against poor teams we do not need a covering midfielder and against better sides the midfield is overrun....I think this is a difficult situation which needs addressing....probably by having Williams or harrop with richman in front of jake and JJ roaming both wings.....even then we still have the issue of Jordan ploughing a lone furrow up front.....

As for the keeper, yes ideally we want the best keeper....a commanding presence who gets everything, commands the defence and distributes perfectly.....but I reiterate in the absence there is not much between Elliot and TT and I feel TT is being slated because we do not have anyone better....and when the defence defends properly he is a good shot stopper and distributes brilliantly 95% of the time and gets slated for the 5% Of balls that fly over JJs head....but I make his distribution rate similar to our other players...we accept JJs 95% blind alley runs and weak crosses and shots for the 5% brilliance....
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: robininstockport on January 14, 2019, 09:19:25 PM
My opta stats have Thompson pass completed percentage at 80. Not too bad , on a par with De Gae I would think. I agree there is nothing between Thompson and Wynne, which makes it all the more puzzling why one has been favoured so heavily.

I thought Johnson was our most threatening player on Saturday
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: MarpleAlty on January 15, 2019, 08:48:25 AM
like finding a decent striker getting a top keeper is easiest done close season...we'd be lucky to find a club willing to release a stu Coburn at this stage of the season....
I have been critical that close season signings were poor....but we are left with our best 11 being practically last season's team ....a lot of that was down to PP giving last season's team the chance to prove themselves in this league....

I suspect and hope next close season the quality of new signings will be better and in the right areas...and PP may have to be hard and let go a few who will be unlucky to leave...

For me Jake Moult has been outstanding but having him in front of the back 4 leaves Richman to run a midfield single handedly.....against poor teams we do not need a covering midfielder and against better sides the midfield is overrun....I think this is a difficult situation which needs addressing....probably by having Williams or harrop with richman in front of jake and JJ roaming both wings.....even then we still have the issue of Jordan ploughing a lone furrow up front.....

As for the keeper, yes ideally we want the best keeper....a commanding presence who gets everything, commands the defence and distributes perfectly.....but I reiterate in the absence there is not much between Elliot and TT and I feel TT is being slated because we do not have anyone better....and when the defence defends properly he is a good shot stopper and distributes brilliantly 95% of the time and gets slated for the 5% Of balls that fly over JJs head....but I make his distribution rate similar to our other players...we accept JJs 95% blind alley runs and weak crosses and shots for the 5% brilliance....

Interesting that Chorley play a back three (although I felt their system struggled against us first half), hypothetically if Harrison reaches full form and fitness I was wondering whether such a system would be feasible for us.

In theory it would probably suit the two full backs we have, and if we have our two midfielders screening in front, it could give our front three a bit more attacking licence.

Call me mad, but as Jake goes into the twilight of his career he could drop into a back three also (I know he's done this in the past)?

As it happens, I think such a change would be too drastic at this stage - but I have to admit I gave it some thought after Saturday.
Title: Re: Need a keeper asap
Post by: oneedham on January 15, 2019, 09:27:42 AM
My opta stats have Thompson pass completed percentage at 80. Not too bad , on a par with De Gae I would think. I agree there is nothing between Thompson and Wynne, which makes it all the more puzzling why one has been favoured so heavily.

I thought Johnson was our most threatening player on Saturday

The trouble is that the wayward passes often put us under intense pressure. He also does a million short passes which bulk up his average success passes. In most games I see a lot of long balls going out of play.
I am far more concerned about his poor decision making when coming off his line or out for crosses. He has a severe lack of authority in that box. No wonder we concede from so many set pieces.