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Title: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: JD on May 28, 2020, 10:51:32 PM
...and they are played behind closed doors, can they be broadcast live by Alty TV/Radio Robins with those wishing to view paying an "Attendance" fee?

Just a thought and maybe a long shot!
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Alty TV on May 28, 2020, 11:04:11 PM
...and they are played behind closed doors, can they be broadcast live by Alty TV/Radio Robins with those wishing to view paying an "Attendance" fee?

Just a thought and maybe a long shot!

Contingency plans are in place for this although BT Sports may cover in any case
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: B. 4D on May 28, 2020, 11:46:30 PM
...and they are played behind closed doors, can they be broadcast live by Alty TV/Radio Robins with those wishing to view paying an "Attendance" fee?

Just a thought and maybe a long shot!

Contingency plans are in place for this although BT Sports may cover in any case

Better get the line marker out again
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: cheshire cat on May 29, 2020, 09:32:36 AM
It might be time to start making friends with the people that own the apartments at the Chequers end  ;D
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Alty Bri on May 29, 2020, 10:03:05 AM
On ppg basis I think it would be Chester at home, York away and potentially Boston away in the final unless I've cocked up the maths.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Leon on May 29, 2020, 10:25:03 AM
The suggestion is that the play-offs will be limited to four teams, in which case, if it is ppg, we'd be off to York again, with Boston hosting Brackley. Chester would miss out completely...
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: robininstockport on May 29, 2020, 12:39:06 PM
Any way Chester miss out gets my vote
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: PukkaPieman on May 29, 2020, 01:26:22 PM
That really would not be fair. Its one thing having playoffs, but another to change the rules about who competes in them at this late stage.
If we were 6th you wouldnt be happy would you !
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: JD on May 29, 2020, 10:35:06 PM
...and they are played behind closed doors, can they be broadcast live by Alty TV/Radio Robins with those wishing to view paying an "Attendance" fee?

Just a thought and maybe a long shot!

Contingency plans are in place for this although BT Sports may cover in any case

Thank you
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Sarf London Alty on May 30, 2020, 09:21:45 AM
That really would not be fair. Its one thing having playoffs, but another to change the rules about who competes in them at this late stage.
If we were 6th you wouldnt be happy would you !

I mean it would still be very funny if it screwed Chester. And I don’t think the existing rules can be leaned on too much in a completely unprecedented situation.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: MarpleAlty on June 04, 2020, 05:22:10 PM
That really would not be fair. Its one thing having playoffs, but another to change the rules about who competes in them at this late stage.
If we were 6th you wouldnt be happy would you !

I'm just thinking about us now to be honest - 2 games to win the playoffs, and a weakened home advantage, sounds ace right now.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: hsmith1 on June 04, 2020, 07:14:44 PM
i thought we might have heard something by now
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on June 04, 2020, 08:45:29 PM
i thought we might have heard something by now

The next meeting is on Monday Harold.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on June 06, 2020, 09:04:31 AM
Chester have lost the leagues top scorer to Gloucester city ahead of any potential playoff. Gloucester have been very busy on the signings front this week
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 06, 2020, 10:04:39 AM
Chester have lost the leagues top scorer to Gloucester city ahead of any potential playoff. Gloucester have been very busy on the signings front this week

Won't be the only player to leave, let's get the playoffs played.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: MarpleAlty on June 08, 2020, 09:53:13 AM
Chester have lost the leagues top scorer to Gloucester city ahead of any potential playoff. Gloucester have been very busy on the signings front this week

This is bizarre in the extreme - we know Chester's situation, however have Gloucester come into some money or something?
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on June 08, 2020, 10:15:04 AM
Chester have lost the leagues top scorer to Gloucester city ahead of any potential playoff. Gloucester have been very busy on the signings front this week

This is bizarre in the extreme - we know Chester's situation, however have Gloucester come into some money or something?

He knows and respects Gloucester's coach from his early days at Birmingham. It's probably nearer home for him too.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 08, 2020, 10:20:25 AM
Chester have lost the leagues top scorer to Gloucester city ahead of any potential playoff. Gloucester have been very busy on the signings front this week

This is bizarre in the extreme - we know Chester's situation, however have Gloucester come into some money or something?

They're moving back to Gloucester so instead of paying rent, they should see larger crowds, better bar takings and commercial revenue from their own ground.

Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Ukrainian Alty on June 08, 2020, 10:36:20 AM
According to a recent post on Chester's forum Gloucester have received the benefit of a £1 million pound donation from a local builder who is a lifelong supporter of the club.  This might explain the sudden spending spree.  I understand that he may also be a white middle-aged male. ;)
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on June 08, 2020, 11:12:30 AM
According to a recent post on Chester's forum Gloucester have received the benefit of a £1 million pound donation from a local builder who is a lifelong supporter of the club.  This might explain the sudden spending spree.  I understand that he may also be a white middle-aged male. ;)

Disgusting ! They should have turned the loan down and approached Ru Paul.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 08, 2020, 12:05:05 PM
According to a recent post on Chester's forum Gloucester have received the benefit of a £1 million pound donation from a local builder who is a lifelong supporter of the club.  This might explain the sudden spending spree.  I understand that he may also be a white middle-aged male. ;)

Don't remember being against white middle aged men 👍 god forbid I'll be one of those in 15 years.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: that man showler on June 08, 2020, 07:35:27 PM
i thought we might have heard something by now

The next meeting is on Monday Harold.


 Any news on this?
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Timperley The Best on June 08, 2020, 07:36:58 PM
EFL meeting tomorrow  and voting on outcomes , not sure when the National League will meet but it should be soon
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: hsmith1 on June 09, 2020, 12:43:58 PM
cheers
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Freddie on June 09, 2020, 03:14:39 PM
League One and Two playoffs look set to go ahead, and Stevenage to be relegated ahead of Macc, depending on whether National League can guarantee a restart for the 20/21 season.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 09, 2020, 03:51:14 PM
League One and Two playoffs look set to go ahead, and Stevenage to be relegated ahead of Macc, depending on whether National League can guarantee a restart for the 20/21 season.

Macc not safe yet. There's a committee meeting for late payment of wages again.

EFL:

Under the proposals agreed by Clubs, the 24th placed Club in the League Two will be relegated to the National League provided the Board receives the necessary assurances that the National League will start Season 2020/21 (i.e. the relegated Club in League Two has somewhere to play)

. Due to ongoing disciplinary matters, the final placings cannot yet be confirmed
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Alty Dave on June 09, 2020, 04:05:05 PM
Does this make it more likely of a play off in the North?
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: PukkaPieman on June 09, 2020, 04:09:32 PM
Does this make it more likely of a play off in the North?

Probably but who/how is testing going to be done/paid for anytime soon ?
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Freddie on June 09, 2020, 04:17:50 PM
Allegedly, the National League are having a similar meeting tomorrow to discuss this!
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: PukkaPieman on June 09, 2020, 04:29:04 PM
Allegedly, the National League are having a similar meeting tomorrow to discuss this!

I have heard figures of £3m for EFL to test the clubs staff ? How on earth would NL clubs be able to afford even a fraction of that ?
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Timperley The Best on June 09, 2020, 04:39:52 PM
 I heard it would have taken £ 150k ish for testing over ten games or so  to complete the season . That's 15k  per game roughly .Presume it would cost nln clubs the same
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 09, 2020, 05:21:27 PM
Great, we've saved 2.85 Million in an hour.lets keep dropping the price we've heard
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Timperley The Best on June 09, 2020, 05:23:21 PM
I think the 3  million would be for the full league
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: andrewflynn on June 09, 2020, 05:30:51 PM
I heard it would have taken £ 150k ish for testing over ten games or so  to complete the season . That's 15k  per game roughly .Presume it would cost nln clubs the same

Less than that, but still a hefty bill, I believe.

From coaching right through to the operation staff inside the ground on a match day, we have less staff to test. There are also less contact 'events' to test for, in comparison with full time football clubs who train and travel to hotels, etc.

So I don't think we'd be looking at those sorts of members but it certainly ain't cheap.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 09, 2020, 09:06:07 PM
Legoland, Thorpepark and Chessington World of Adventure opening at the start of July.

Hopefully we'll get a playoff and or new season date tomorrow
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: PukkaPieman on June 09, 2020, 09:31:55 PM
I understand that the EFL have paid to test all Championship and L1 players and staff and FOUR L2 teams (presumably the playoff teams) but have the actual costs been revealed ?

So presumably NL would have to pay for each playoff team and staff to be tested before they could return to training.
Thats 18 teams,.. where would that money come from ?

Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 09, 2020, 10:00:05 PM
I understand that the EFL have paid to test all Championship and L1 players and staff and FOUR L2 teams (presumably the playoff teams) but have the actual costs been revealed ?

So presumably NL would have to pay for each playoff team and staff to be tested before they could return to training.
Thats 18 teams,.. where would that money come from ?

Vanarama? (Benefit from five televised games on BT)
BT money from this season / last season if left?
Club contributions?

We could use some of the 30k raised? Or we could crowd fund.

Or we could use revenue from future playoff streamed game ( 500 people watching a stream of the game at £10 each is £5k, likewise 200 people at £25)
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: B. 4D on June 09, 2020, 11:07:22 PM
If it came to play offs, will we be home or away.
Has that finally been decided.
If we are at home, do we pay for everyone to be tested?
Will the players still be on contract.
Not saying us, but could clubs bring in other players for the play offs.
This is a minefield.
The one good  thing, if we are at home,  the pitch is looking ok for a play off game.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 09, 2020, 11:27:44 PM
If it came to play offs, will we be home or away.
Has that finally been decided.
If we are at home, do we pay for everyone to be tested?
Will the players still be on contract.
Not saying us, but could clubs bring in other players for the play offs.
This is a minefield.
The one good  thing, if we are at home,  the pitch is looking ok for a play off game.

We'd be at home (unless it was a neutral venue like Carrington?) Followed by two aways.

I'd imagine if it's before August it'd be empty ground so you'd imagine all players, managers physio, a few people to open the club up, refs and any St Johns ambulance. Oh and Mr Alty TV.

Im sure given Parkinson has kept his powder dry, most players would be hoping to earn an extension and would sign up for an extra three games - especially if televised.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: B. 4D on June 09, 2020, 11:35:59 PM
If it came to play offs, will we be home or away.
Has that finally been decided.
If we are at home, do we pay for everyone to be tested?
Will the players still be on contract.
Not saying us, but could clubs bring in other players for the play offs.
This is a minefield.
The one good  thing, if we are at home,  the pitch is looking ok for a play off game.

We'd be at home (unless it was a neutral venue like Carrington?) Followed by two aways.

I'd imagine if it's before August it'd be empty ground so you'd imagine all players, managers physio, a few people to open the club up, refs and any St Johns ambulance. Oh and Mr Alty TV.

Im sure given Parkinson has kept his powder dry, most players would be hoping to earn an extension and would sign up for an extra three games - especially if televised.
I did hear , it could be  PPG, so only be 2-5 in the playoffs, then we would be away to York
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: JD on June 09, 2020, 11:41:13 PM
If it came to play offs, will we be home or away.
Has that finally been decided.
If we are at home, do we pay for everyone to be tested?
Will the players still be on contract.
Not saying us, but could clubs bring in other players for the play offs.
This is a minefield.
The one good  thing, if we are at home,  the pitch is looking ok for a play off game.

We'd be at home (unless it was a neutral venue like Carrington?) Followed by two aways.

I'd imagine if it's before August it'd be empty ground so you'd imagine all players, managers physio, a few people to open the club up, refs and any St Johns ambulance. Oh and Mr Alty TV.

Im sure given Parkinson has kept his powder dry, most players would be hoping to earn an extension and would sign up for an extra three games - especially if televised.
I did hear , it could be  PPG, so only be 2-5 in the playoffs, then we would be away to York

I read that as PSG!

Playing them in the play-offs!!!!
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 09, 2020, 11:53:29 PM
If it came to play offs, will we be home or away.
Has that finally been decided.
If we are at home, do we pay for everyone to be tested?
Will the players still be on contract.
Not saying us, but could clubs bring in other players for the play offs.
This is a minefield.
The one good  thing, if we are at home,  the pitch is looking ok for a play off game.

We'd be at home (unless it was a neutral venue like Carrington?) Followed by two aways.

I'd imagine if it's before August it'd be empty ground so you'd imagine all players, managers physio, a few people to open the club up, refs and any St Johns ambulance. Oh and Mr Alty TV.

Im sure given Parkinson has kept his powder dry, most players would be hoping to earn an extension and would sign up for an extra three games - especially if televised.
I did hear , it could be  PPG, so only be 2-5 in the playoffs, then we would be away to York

Lot of people confusing the statement from EFL that only four clubs would be involved. This was as some proposals wanted them extending before going back to the standard four.

We'll no doubt be six style. But I'd love to be wrong and Chester and Gateshead to miss out.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 10, 2020, 02:27:59 PM
Ollie Baylsis:

The National League board meet this afternoon.

Top of the agenda will be whether to hold playoffs & how to decide the leagues.

I understand the League will speak with clubs from each division tomorrow.

Clubs will then be asked to vote.

The FA need to ratify any decisions.

Details on tomorrow afternoon's divisional meetings:

Clubs will be given a presentation by the National League CEO Michael Tattersall & an FA representative.

Only 2 representatives from each club can attend (one must be the chairman).

Clubs may submit questions in advance.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 10, 2020, 09:40:49 PM
From Twitter:

Huge vote for The National League tomorrow afternoon...

My understanding is that York are the team with the most to gain or lose.

Clubs will be asked if they want play offs or not...IF clubs vote ‘no’ then York should go up with Kings Lynn. BUT....

IF York vote NO and 4 other NLN sides vote YES then the play offs will go ahead without York.

So - York owner Jason McGill will basically play a game of poker ♠️ gambling on what he thinks the other clubs will vote for...

However - most likely scenario is clubs vote for NO play offs which means Kings Lynn, York, Wealdstone and Havant go up

Playing the games will cost each club circa £60k - so it’s whether they want to gamble on promotion or take stock ready for next season in current division. 60k estimate on wages and testing.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: CRT Butty on June 10, 2020, 11:15:18 PM
I don't see any playoffs happening.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on June 11, 2020, 06:48:53 AM
We should vote yes and raise the funds if need be. Might be the best season to bed back in to the conference next year
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Freddie on June 11, 2020, 09:29:15 AM
Let's hope the board agree, I think all of us would be dreaming of a "yes" vote!
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: robininstockport on June 11, 2020, 09:46:24 AM
Am I correct in thinking that if the league votes to play the play offs, only the top 4 clubs who voted in favour would qualify?
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on June 11, 2020, 09:55:38 AM
Am I correct in thinking that if the league votes to play the play offs, only the top 4 clubs who voted in favour would qualify?

That's the impression I'm getting. Our best case scenario is that all the non-involved clubs vote yes because they've got nothing to lose, York vote no because they want to go up automatically, and Brackley also vote no because they give the impression that they aren't geared up to take part. I'm also not sure whether Boston are in a position to play home matches.

If all of the above dropped into place, we'd have home advantage in the first game at least.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 11, 2020, 11:43:33 AM
Weird that they're allowing Chester and Gateshead (Gateshead less complaints as they didn't make the playoff spots all year)
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on June 11, 2020, 12:00:49 PM
play OFFs

https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/latest-news/30765/national-league-north-and-south-play-offs-in-doubt/
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 11, 2020, 12:24:12 PM
play OFFs

https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/latest-news/30765/national-league-north-and-south-play-offs-in-doubt/

In which case York Gateshead and Chester would have an arguement to be able to play.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: ManagementGuru on June 11, 2020, 01:59:37 PM
Statement from the Club on the website now. 
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 11, 2020, 02:17:57 PM
Ollie Baylsis reporting that clubs will vote on: Barrow up + playoff, Chorley down, Kings Lynn and Wealdstone up. No playoffs at North/South level.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: andrewflynn on June 11, 2020, 02:37:52 PM
Strong statement that, Bill. Good on you all for continuing to fight the case for the fairest solution to this mess of a situation. For weeks we've been waiting, ready to go. This is so poor.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 11, 2020, 02:59:11 PM
Very strong statement. Good to see us stand our ground.
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: PukkaPieman on June 11, 2020, 04:57:21 PM
Apparently all NLN playoff clubs voted yes and were told to go away and think about it !
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: Alty Bri on June 11, 2020, 06:02:29 PM
Another league which 'asked' the clubs a question but didn't like the answer they received?
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: JD on June 12, 2020, 10:03:23 PM
WELL...there goes that then!
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: HashtagAlty on June 12, 2020, 10:13:43 PM
York pushing for 2 up now
Title: Re: IF...we have play offs...
Post by: PukkaPieman on June 13, 2020, 12:49:54 PM
Apparently all NLN playoff clubs voted yes and were told to go away and think about it !
Theyve tought about it and now NL seem to be listening and being forced to challenge the "elite sport" interpretation.
This could go either way !