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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: PaulClementsLaments on March 04, 2021, 09:57:06 AM
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Last night on the Alty fans Zoom chat we were discussing players who returned to Alty and were more successful in their 2nd or 3rd spell. So far I've come up with...
Ian Morris
Graham Heathcote
John Davison
Peter Eales
Gary Anderson
John Brady
Ricky Harris
Stuart Coburn
So not many in almost 50 years
Any others?
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Surely Sean Williams in recent years? :)
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Lenny Dickenson - leading scorer in 62/3 season but a mainstay of the side from 72 - 77
Johnny Worth - 8 appearances in 63/4 returned to the club for great seasons from 66-72
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Yes how did I miss Lennie, saw him play right at the start of my time watching Alty, Johhny Worth was before my time
Lenny Dickenson - leading scorer in 62/3 season but a mainstay of the side from 72 - 77
Johnny Worth - 8 appearances in 63/4 returned to the club for great seasons from 66-72
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Who's going to be the person to suggest Tom Peers?
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Who's going to be the person to suggest Tom Peers?
That accolade is all yours sir!
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The most influential returned on the list so far has to be Mr. S. Coburn, if only for his length of service to the club. It was a privilege to watch him.
Cap doffed in his direction.
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The most influential returned on the list so far has to be Mr. S. Coburn, if only for his length of service to the club. It was a privilege to watch him.
Cap doffed in his direction.
I think that would have to go to John Davison - 2 titles, 2 Trophy wins, just about every memorable FA Cup victory up to 1986 etc and even saved us from relegation as temporary manager in 1992.
Les Rigby, the manager who let Davison, Heathcote and Eales go from their first spell, clearly was a poor judge
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Johhny Worth was before my time
Wow.
Today's been a reality check for me!
First off, too vulnerable to be back at ML with all you invulnerable youngsters.
Now, the great Johnny Worth, well and affectionately recalled, is before your time!
Hope I'm still here when it's safe for me to go back to our ground! 😉
😂🤣😂🤣
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Johhny Worth was before my time
Wow.
Today's been a reality check for me!
First off, too vulnerable to be back at ML with all you invulnerable youngsters.
Now, the great Johnny Worth, well and affectionately recalled, is before your time!
Hope I'm still here when it's safe for me to go back to our ground! 😉
😂🤣😂🤣
In all sincerity, so do I. Sometimes its easy to forget that we aren't all in the same boat. Stay safe in the meantime and hopefully you'll judge the risk is low enough for yourself at some point this year.
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Johhny Worth was before my time
Wow.
Today's been a reality check for me!
First off, too vulnerable to be back at ML with all you invulnerable youngsters.
Now, the great Johnny Worth, well and affectionately recalled, is before your time!
Hope I'm still here when it's safe for me to go back to our ground! 😉
😂🤣😂🤣
In all sincerity, so do I. Sometimes its easy to forget that we aren't all in the same boat. Stay safe in the meantime and hopefully you'll judge the risk is low enough for yourself at some point this year.
Thanks Cheshire.
Due my second jab in a few weeks so a fortnight after that, I'll chance seeing some of the grandkids.
Can't see either myself or Mrs S being back at ML before next season 😕
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Mark Maddox.
Departed for glamorous Barrow at the conclusion of the 1997/98 season, only to return to Moss Lane during the following season.
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Like the Second Coming, I'm still waiting for the return to Alty of Ian Tunnacliffe...
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At a push, you might include Gary Stewart, Ossie Smith and Lawrence Iro, all of whom had initial spells with Alty as reserves/first team fringe players in their early years.
And what about the great Kevan Hawkins...?
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There must be loan players we’ve had that have gone back to parent clubs and then signed for us. Ceesay for one.
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There must be loan players we’ve had that have gone back to parent clubs and then signed for us. Ceesay for one.
And Piggott for another.
There have also been players who have played in a match as pre-season triallists, but didn't actually sign until some years later. I can think of Jake Moult, and, less successfully, Michael Twiss and Michael Rankine.
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Frank Carrodus anyone?
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Frank Carrodus must have the longest gap of anyone between his two spells at the club, (EDIT) although Ian Senior could rival that, between the first two of his three spells.
Steve Haw and Don Page were both players who had two spells at the club in the eighties and early nineties playing more regularly in the second, although Don Page may not count for this question as he was on loan from Wigan Athletic the second time round.
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Didn't Keith Russell come on loan from Blackpool before returning to sign permanently?
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Robbie Williams was an Alty player throughout 2009/10 before spending 2010/11 at Telford and returning to offer his lotta love and affection for the 2011/12 season.
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Did Peter Band have 2 spells?
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Didn't Sam Heathcote leave as a defender and come back as a striker?
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I never cease to be amazed and impressed by the knowledge of Alty fans.
Another lovely thread
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Like the Second Coming, I'm still waiting for the return to Alty of Ian Tunnacliffe...
I feel your pain sir, it is only a cult but what a remarkable man we both follow and only dream of his great return
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Like the Second Coming, I'm still waiting for the return to Alty of Ian Tunnacliffe...
I feel your pain sir, it is only a cult but what a remarkable man we both follow and only dream of his great return
You can still hope, as he has made returns before. After he left us, he returned to Emley.
Three of us did go to an Emley game at Leek Town where he wasn't involved, Asking some Emley supporters, they said he was injured, but would be around soon, as he had just gone for a pie. On his return he came over and we had a very pleasant chat, in the course of which he asked if we knew the whereabouts of one his former Altrincham teammates, as he owed Tunna some money.
I don't know if that debt was ever paid, but a while later, around 1999, at a guess, I did get to see him play, when he had returned to another of his former clubs, Storthes Hall, in the West Riding County Amateur League. I can remember him loudly berating his teammates if a pass to him wasn't inch perfect. As you can appreciate, a player of his calibre would demand the very highest of standards.
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Sass-Davies has had 2 loan moves to us.
id have him permanent in a flash
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Like the Second Coming, I'm still waiting for the return to Alty of Ian Tunnacliffe...
I feel your pain sir, it is only a cult but what a remarkable man we both follow and only dream of his great return
You can still hope, as he has made returns before. After he left us, he returned to Emley.
Three of us did go to an Emley game at Leek Town where he wasn't involved, Asking some Emley supporters, they said he was injured, but would be around soon, as he had just gone for a pie. On his return he came over and we had a very pleasant chat, in the course of which he asked if we knew the whereabouts of one his former Altrincham teammates, as he owed Tunna some money.
I don't know if that debt was ever paid, but a while later, around 1999, at a guess, I did get to see him play, when he had returned to another of his former clubs, Storthes Hall, in the West Riding County Amateur League. I can remember him loudly berating his teammates if a pass to him wasn't inch perfect. As you can appreciate, a player of his calibre would demand the very highest of standards.
The James Brown of Non League football.
Marvellous anecdotes.
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Love these posts... but over the years the memory plays tricks... here's a few names who played in two spells...
'Hagar the Horrible' aka Andy Reid played for Alty over two spells between about 1990 - 97 (bar think one season at Bury in abt 93)...
'Corkie' aka Dave Carrick played for Alty couple seasons in late 1960s (before left for several yrs to play for likes of Witton, Staylevegas, Rochdale), before returned for for think 1976 Alty season...
Also recall mate telling me about Neil Dewar.... played 4or5 seasons at end of 1950s (before went staylevegas start of 60s), then back to Alty mid 60s for further 4or5 seasons...
Keepers must have also feature a few times...
Eg Alex Stepney in 1980 played on loan from Dallas team in US season break for big part of one Alty season & returned couple years later (think 1982) for one off game to help club towards end of season when backlog of games (played v Northwich) - his last ever game...
Also Ian Senior - think played for Alty during 3or4 spells during long career with multiple clubs...
Even recently Elliott Wynne signed a few yrs ago & played few games before let go to Farsley before we re-signed as cover - though dont think played during 2nd spell...
Must be others, but the memory fades with time...
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Nicky Clee came back after half a season at Guiseley
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Sass-Davies has had 2 loan moves to us.
id have him permanent in a flash
Same - appears he might be out of contract too. Yeovil would surely now be favourites for his signature if he were to move on, he's played well for them.
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Sass-Davies has had 2 loan moves to us.
id have him permanent in a flash
Same - appears he might be out of contract too. Yeovil would surely now be favourites for his signature if he were to move on, he's played well for them.
Unless he fancies somewhere a little closer to home
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Just thought of another keeper who returned... ie Tim Deasy... he was with Alty in 2014 (but didn't play a league game)... he moved to Northwich before returning to Alty in about 2015/16 as back up to legendary Stuart Coburn...
However, when Stuart got his injury that ultimately ended his career then Tim stepped up and played regularly for about one season (his 2nd spell)... he then briefly moved to Guiseley in 2016 and played one league game before returning to Alty for last two years of his career...
During this time (his 3rd spell) he played less regularly due to the emergence of new keeper Tony Thompson who arrived in 2017... he did play part of the final game of the 2018 season coming on as a sub with 15-20mins left for his final game as Alty were crowned champions...
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Jeff Wealands is another goalkeeper who enjoyed two spells with Alty.
He left to join Barrow at the end of the 1986/87 campaign but then swiftly saw the light and returned to Moss Lane during the 1988/89 season.
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Gosh, you're right, how could i forget the great Jeff Wealands... probably my 2nd fav Alty keeper after legendary Stuart Coburn...
Over 250 apps in all competitions over two spells... 1st spell 1985-87 which included 1986 season with memorable 2nd FA Trophy win at Wemberleee and the 3rd round FA Cup win away at top division Birmingham (one of Jeff's old clubs)...
Then after brief spell at Barrow in 1988 he returned to Alty and played til 1992... including the remarkable 1991 season with 28 game unbeaten run, one of my fav Alty wins 4-1 over eventual champions Barnet, plus the unbelievable way we blew up at the end of the season when the title & promotion to the Football League looked nailed on... we were top & think needed only 5or8 points from last 15 available to go up but ended up 3rd and about 5 pts behind Barnet...
Without opening a can of worms, it felt like the club had thrown it away with conspiracy theories suggesting we couldn't afford to go up or players were suddenly told no bonus if promoted... anyway, another close promotion failure & many fans dreams dashed... Jeff was a great keeper for us...
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I believe the malign hand of Mr Flashman, combined with the more relaxed player loan regulations at the time made a considerable contribution.
He lent, I believe, Slough a player with specific instructions to "do" Harry Wiggins as we didn't have cover for him. Also several players were loaned out to Clubs we were to play so that they could rest their better players for their game against us
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Without wanting to take this thread in a different direction, i still feel that us fans were somewhat let down in our quest for the 'promised land' of the Football League in 1991 for reasons still officially unbeknown... it is hard to believe a team at the top of the table, on back of recent 28 game unbeaten run who had also just beat nearest challengers Barnet 4-1 and with a handful of games left, could implode so spectacularly - maybe a long season caught up with the team or maybe the counspirary theorist have a case... guess may never know for sure...
Think 1991 hurt most; as we were so close and promotion was there that season for the champions and all in our own hands... whereas our two APL title triumphs of 1980 & 81 we had to apply for election - on one occasion missing out by just 1 vote when two clubs 'promised' us their vote which would have seen us promoted at Rochdale expense ... however neither voted as one was late to the vote and the other club rep 'apparently' fell asleep in wrong room after getting pissed - but that's another (near miss) story... gutted as two non-league clubs who came up at end of 1970s Wigan & Wimbledon via elections showed what could be achieved ie reach Premier League & win FA Cup...
Oh well, that was in the past... lets hope for the future and keep the faith with Parky & the present Board who are doing a great job... anyway, back to players who've played two spells for the club...
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Peter Densmore was another who had two separate spells at Alty, although the second was less memorable than the first.
On the eve of the 1987/88 season, he departed John Williams' Alty squad (along with Gary Anderson) in order to to reunite with John King at Runcorn.
He then returned for a single season - that bizarre and traumatic 1991/92 campaign under Stan Allan which almost culminated in ignominious relegation.
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Just thought of another player... Darren Heesom... was signed as fullback from Burnley in late 1980s... played couple seasons before moving onto couple clubs like Macclesfield, Barrow, & Witton... then he was brought back in 1994 by John King (in one of his many managerial spells at Alty) and he played for i think 3or4 more seasons for Alty...
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Johhny Worth was before my time
Wow.
Today's been a reality check for me!
First off, too vulnerable to be back at ML with all you invulnerable youngsters.
Now, the great Johnny Worth, well and affectionately recalled, is before your time!
Hope I'm still here when it's safe for me to go back to our ground! 😉
😂🤣😂🤣
In all sincerity, so do I. Sometimes its easy to forget that we aren't all in the same boat. Stay safe in the meantime and hopefully you'll judge the risk is low enough for yourself at some point this year.
Thanks Cheshire.
Due my second jab in a few weeks so a fortnight after that, I'll chance seeing some of the grandkids.
Can't see either myself or Mrs S being back at ML before next season 😕
(For the record, Tom Peers. Maybe it's just me, but I reckon he's been on it lately - how many strikers have we had post Maunders who have done this well with goals/assists when we've been top half of the Conference?)
Since you mention it - https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/19/how-belarus-exposes-the-lockdown-lie/ (https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/19/how-belarus-exposes-the-lockdown-lie/)
Note the line - "fans were allowed to continue attending games". Frankly, it's largely mass testing that is keeping this going. Look at total deaths and deaths in other years. Look at 2020 total deaths - the worst year for deaths since 2008 when adjusted for population (or so I heard). I remember some people who should've known better moaning about GH in 2008 but not people terrified about the death rate! If you'd have been ok to attend Spennymoor Town last March (as over 1000 of us did), you should be ok to attend now. At any rate, people should be allowed to make their own decisions and fans should be allowed to return in full immediately.
(Hello "London" Alty. Gonna give it your usual? I dare say you want to! Or do something useful and add something we didn't know about Belarus... but as long as this is an issue affecting Altrincham fc first team, I dare say some of us will comment on it on the first team forum, and we won't all necessarily agree with your views).
Hard to see any good outcome for next season. If we need one of those tests within 36 hours of a match (as happened with Everton last year), that might put off some floating support (and radio 4 reiterated that a lot of people from ethnic minorities have been refusing that "vaccine"). Vaccine passports, apart from being criminal and creating a group of second class citizens, would inevitably see some people unable to attend (even if only 20% refuse the "vaccine", if 1/4 of those don't bother with tests, that would still be 5% less able to go to games). And if there are not compulsory tests or "vaccine" passports to attend matches, those of a more nervous disposition might refuse to attend ("London" snowflakes?).
As for 1991, it was 100% burnout. A run to the 1st round of the FAC (ludicrously starting in the 1st qualifying round), the semis of the FAT (with 2 sf legs), the semis of the CSC (and we used our first team in those days), plus 1 or 2 matches in the BLT, add to that some expensive signings by Barnet around the time we played them (h) - Carter from Runcorn for one - and it's easy to see why we lost ground.
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Johhny Worth was before my time
Wow.
Today's been a reality check for me!
First off, too vulnerable to be back at ML with all you invulnerable youngsters.
Now, the great Johnny Worth, well and affectionately recalled, is before your time!
Hope I'm still here when it's safe for me to go back to our ground! 😉
😂🤣😂🤣
In all sincerity, so do I. Sometimes its easy to forget that we aren't all in the same boat. Stay safe in the meantime and hopefully you'll judge the risk is low enough for yourself at some point this year.
Thanks Cheshire.
Due my second jab in a few weeks so a fortnight after that, I'll chance seeing some of the grandkids.
Can't see either myself or Mrs S being back at ML before next season 😕
(For the record, Tom Peers. Maybe it's just me, but I reckon he's been on it lately - how many strikers have we had post Maunders who have done this well with goals/assists when we've been top half of the Conference?)
Since you mention it - https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/19/how-belarus-exposes-the-lockdown-lie/ (https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/19/how-belarus-exposes-the-lockdown-lie/)
Note the line - "fans were allowed to continue attending games". Frankly, it's largely mass testing that is keeping this going. Look at total deaths and deaths in other years. Look at 2020 total deaths - the worst year for deaths since 2008 when adjusted for population (or so I heard). I remember some people who should've known better moaning about GH in 2008 but not people terrified about the death rate! If you'd have been ok to attend Spennymoor Town last March (as over 1000 of us did), you should be ok to attend now. At any rate, people should be allowed to make their own decisions and fans should be allowed to return in full immediately.
(Hello "London" Alty. Gonna give it your usual? I dare say you want to! Or do something useful and add something we didn't know about Belarus... but as long as this is an issue affecting Altrincham fc first team, I dare say some of us will comment on it on the first team forum, and we won't all necessarily agree with your views).
Hard to see any good outcome for next season. If we need one of those tests within 36 hours of a match (as happened with Everton last year), that might put off some floating support (and radio 4 reiterated that a lot of people from ethnic minorities have been refusing that "vaccine"). Vaccine passports, apart from being criminal and creating a group of second class citizens, would inevitably see some people unable to attend (even if only 20% refuse the "vaccine", if 1/4 of those don't bother with tests, that would still be 5% less able to go to games). And if there are not compulsory tests or "vaccine" passports to attend matches, those of a more nervous disposition might refuse to attend ("London" snowflakes?).
As for 1991, it was 100% burnout. A run to the 1st round of the FAC (ludicrously starting in the 1st qualifying round), the semis of the FAT (with 2 sf legs), the semis of the CSC (and we used our first team in those days), plus 1 or 2 matches in the BLT, add to that some expensive signings by Barnet around the time we played them (h) - Carter from Runcorn for one - and it's easy to see why we lost ground.
In North Jutland in Denmark there are 11 areas: 7 went into lockdown and 4 didn't.
Amazingly there were no significant differences in cases/deaths between these regions.
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Another amazing "fact" that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. What also amazes me is the "fact" that eminent expert epidemiologists are forced by Government cuts to take second jobs working in supermarkets.
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Another amazing "fact" that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. What also amazes me is the "fact" that eminent expert epidemiologists are forced by Government cuts to take second jobs working in supermarkets.
I work in a supermarket ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Johhny Worth was before my time
Wow.
Today's been a reality check for me!
First off, too vulnerable to be back at ML with all you invulnerable youngsters.
Now, the great Johnny Worth, well and affectionately recalled, is before your time!
Hope I'm still here when it's safe for me to go back to our ground! 😉
😂🤣😂🤣
In all sincerity, so do I. Sometimes its easy to forget that we aren't all in the same boat. Stay safe in the meantime and hopefully you'll judge the risk is low enough for yourself at some point this year.
Thanks Cheshire.
Due my second jab in a few weeks so a fortnight after that, I'll chance seeing some of the grandkids.
Can't see either myself or Mrs S being back at ML before next season 😕
(For the record, Tom Peers. Maybe it's just me, but I reckon he's been on it lately - how many strikers have we had post Maunders who have done this well with goals/assists when we've been top half of the Conference?)
Since you mention it - https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/19/how-belarus-exposes-the-lockdown-lie/ (https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/19/how-belarus-exposes-the-lockdown-lie/)
Note the line - "fans were allowed to continue attending games". Frankly, it's largely mass testing that is keeping this going. Look at total deaths and deaths in other years. Look at 2020 total deaths - the worst year for deaths since 2008 when adjusted for population (or so I heard). I remember some people who should've known better moaning about GH in 2008 but not people terrified about the death rate! If you'd have been ok to attend Spennymoor Town last March (as over 1000 of us did), you should be ok to attend now. At any rate, people should be allowed to make their own decisions and fans should be allowed to return in full immediately.
(Hello "London" Alty. Gonna give it your usual? I dare say you want to! Or do something useful and add something we didn't know about Belarus... but as long as this is an issue affecting Altrincham fc first team, I dare say some of us will comment on it on the first team forum, and we won't all necessarily agree with your views).
Hard to see any good outcome for next season. If we need one of those tests within 36 hours of a match (as happened with Everton last year), that might put off some floating support (and radio 4 reiterated that a lot of people from ethnic minorities have been refusing that "vaccine"). Vaccine passports, apart from being criminal and creating a group of second class citizens, would inevitably see some people unable to attend (even if only 20% refuse the "vaccine", if 1/4 of those don't bother with tests, that would still be 5% less able to go to games). And if there are not compulsory tests or "vaccine" passports to attend matches, those of a more nervous disposition might refuse to attend ("London" snowflakes?).
As for 1991, it was 100% burnout. A run to the 1st round of the FAC (ludicrously starting in the 1st qualifying round), the semis of the FAT (with 2 sf legs), the semis of the CSC (and we used our first team in those days), plus 1 or 2 matches in the BLT, add to that some expensive signings by Barnet around the time we played them (h) - Carter from Runcorn for one - and it's easy to see why we lost ground.
In North Jutland in Denmark there are 11 areas: 7 went into lockdown and 4 didn't.
Amazingly there were no significant differences in cases/deaths between these regions.
Are there any people in North Jutland?
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Johhny Worth was before my time
Wow.
Today's been a reality check for me!
First off, too vulnerable to be back at ML with all you invulnerable youngsters.
Now, the great Johnny Worth, well and affectionately recalled, is before your time!
Hope I'm still here when it's safe for me to go back to our ground! 😉
😂🤣😂🤣
In all sincerity, so do I. Sometimes its easy to forget that we aren't all in the same boat. Stay safe in the meantime and hopefully you'll judge the risk is low enough for yourself at some point this year.
Thanks Cheshire.
Due my second jab in a few weeks so a fortnight after that, I'll chance seeing some of the grandkids.
Can't see either myself or Mrs S being back at ML before next season 😕
(For the record, Tom Peers. Maybe it's just me, but I reckon he's been on it lately - how many strikers have we had post Maunders who have done this well with goals/assists when we've been top half of the Conference?)
Since you mention it - https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/19/how-belarus-exposes-the-lockdown-lie/ (https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/19/how-belarus-exposes-the-lockdown-lie/)
Note the line - "fans were allowed to continue attending games". Frankly, it's largely mass testing that is keeping this going. Look at total deaths and deaths in other years. Look at 2020 total deaths - the worst year for deaths since 2008 when adjusted for population (or so I heard). I remember some people who should've known better moaning about GH in 2008 but not people terrified about the death rate! If you'd have been ok to attend Spennymoor Town last March (as over 1000 of us did), you should be ok to attend now. At any rate, people should be allowed to make their own decisions and fans should be allowed to return in full immediately.
(Hello "London" Alty. Gonna give it your usual? I dare say you want to! Or do something useful and add something we didn't know about Belarus... but as long as this is an issue affecting Altrincham fc first team, I dare say some of us will comment on it on the first team forum, and we won't all necessarily agree with your views).
Hard to see any good outcome for next season. If we need one of those tests within 36 hours of a match (as happened with Everton last year), that might put off some floating support (and radio 4 reiterated that a lot of people from ethnic minorities have been refusing that "vaccine"). Vaccine passports, apart from being criminal and creating a group of second class citizens, would inevitably see some people unable to attend (even if only 20% refuse the "vaccine", if 1/4 of those don't bother with tests, that would still be 5% less able to go to games). And if there are not compulsory tests or "vaccine" passports to attend matches, those of a more nervous disposition might refuse to attend ("London" snowflakes?).
As for 1991, it was 100% burnout. A run to the 1st round of the FAC (ludicrously starting in the 1st qualifying round), the semis of the FAT (with 2 sf legs), the semis of the CSC (and we used our first team in those days), plus 1 or 2 matches in the BLT, add to that some expensive signings by Barnet around the time we played them (h) - Carter from Runcorn for one - and it's easy to see why we lost ground.
In North Jutland in Denmark there are 11 areas: 7 went into lockdown and 4 didn't.
Amazingly there were no significant differences in cases/deaths between these regions.
Are there any people in North Jutland?
589,148 in 2018