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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: CB on July 19, 2008, 05:16:46 PM
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I'm far too angry to put my feelings into words at the moment.
Man Utd/FSCUM should *never* be allowed to play at Moss Lane again.
What were the stewards/people at the gate doing letting in clearly drunk people with 6 packs of lager?
What were the stewards doing at half time whilst Utd fans were allowed to run on to the pitch? Well, one was standing at the top of the Chequers end chatting to someone, whilst another was stood near the toilets watching everything but the fans he was supposed to. When the kids ran on to the pitch, one 'large' steward on the main stand side watched and did nothing.
What were the stewards doing when anti-Glazer stickers were being stuck to the barriers/floodlights?
What were the stewards doing in the 2nd half when the fans were standing on the barriers, openly drinking, setting off flares and kicking the hell out of the Golf Road stand? Standing by idly whilst watching the match.
Why wasn't the match called off earlier?
Why wasn't the game stopped and an announcement over the PA system telling them to pack it in or it would be called off?
Why wasn't the police called earlier?
What was Rowley doing? Counting the gate receipt money?
Happy now?
The FSCUM match should be called off and both sides banned from coming to Moss Lane again.
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What the hell happened?
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Totally agree, they do seem to have a lot of moronic fans, the stewards are out of their depth with this sort of fan and the FCUM match should not go ahead, the main instigators of the trouble today from what I saw were FCUM fans.
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Totally agree, they do seem to have a lot of moronic fans, the stewards are out of their depth with this sort of fan and the FCUM match should not go ahead, the main instigators of the trouble today from what I saw were FCUM fans.
did the game finish ?
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The game was abandoned with about eight minutes left to play.
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The stewards were powerless to act in this situation, clearly a large group of idiots against a few stewards has only one result.
As all the stupid fans causing trouble were walking, they were not "clearly drunk". I think security does need to be closely looked at again, with teams such as oxford, york, mansfield, wrexham and northwich bringing large amounts of supporters, we need to do everything possible to promote our friendly club. what we dont need are friendlies against teams with a lot of stupid idiots as supporters.
I have been informed police were called at half time at first, and given a response time of five minutes. Then in all five calls were made to 999 asking where the hell the police were. The response time was far too slow, about 50 mins. As soon as the police turned up, the utd fans went on the pitch.
The match was abandoned with 5 mins to go, not exactly good publicity for both teams. i only hope man utd have the decency to apologise for the behaviour of their fans and offer some sort of recompense.
Although the man utd fans were causing a large amount of noise, the stewards would have caused more problems if they had tried to move in and take some sort of action.
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I agree with Casper, there would have been only one outcome if the stewards had taken action. The "United" fans that were there were a disgrace. I also agree that, with todays events in mind, Tuesday's game should be cancelled. They are bound to take more than 70-odd fans, and will be a lot more difficult to handle, meaning that nothing short of a police presence in the ground will do anything. Police will cost us, and for a pre season friendly with not many fans expected, is it worth paying this amount on police?
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Did any of the ground get damaged at all? and how many utd fans were there today?
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Not sure about the damage, it's a wonder the Golf Road stand it still standing after the beating it got, and Id say there was around 150 of them, and about 100 of them were pissheads.
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Lots of the trouble makers were sticking FCUM stickers on the goals , terracing, I agree cancel Tuesday, or are we going to here this self policing just a handfull of trouble makers poo again.
On a positive point no alty fans involved at all.
What response for the family who thinks they might give the football a go, we wont be seeing some of them again, and not our fault.
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I was stood next to a couple of people today who said "they told us this was going to happen" which I believe to mean that these fans had made it clear that they were planning to cause trouble - does this mean that the club were also aware that there could have been trouble? If so, why didn't we do anything about it??
Also, about 2 minutes into the game there was an altercation in the away end which ended up with a scum fan having to be held back by other scum fans to stop him attacking one of our stewards - no action was taken (Graeme Rowley was actually in the middle of it and saw it all) and it ended in the stewards walking away and leaving these fans to continue to cause trouble. If it was nipped in the bud 2 minutes into the game could the disgusting scenes we witnessed with 5 minutes to go (which included Greg Young being physically provoked by fans on the pitch) have been prevented?
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Their atchuli not FC united stickers, theres people who hate FCUM and still Hate Glazer. Oh yeah and stop crying you mard arses ;D
LOVE UNITED
HATE GLAZER
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The club need to act now and get this match on Tuesday night called off. I don't want these scumbags near Moss Lane ever again, they were complete pond life.
We should try getting City down here next summer, their fans are a bit more civilised.
I hope the "brave man" who attacked a female member of the Alty staff dies a very slow and painful death and soon. f**king bunch of brainless cowards.
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Their atchuli not FC united stickers, theres people who hate FCUM and still Hate Glazer. Oh yeah and stop crying you mard arses ;D
LOVE UNITED
HATE GLAZER
Brainless prick. Do you think it's clever to attack women?
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Their atchuli not FC united stickers, theres people who hate FCUM and still Hate Glazer. Oh yeah and stop crying you mard arses ;D
LOVE UNITED
HATE GLAZER
Pikey scum.
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Oh, and a special mention for the Police who took nearly an hour to get to the ground and by the time their vans and cars screached up to the ground most of the troublemakers had gone. Absolutely disgraceful.
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The vast majority fans asked us never to play united after last times events and were ignored will the same happen again????
Highlights the fact of the club putting profits first and foremost b4 the safety of the staff and fans.
Saddest thing for me some of the "united" fans live in Alty .. sad sad people.
Go and kick sh*t out of your own property not ours.
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We were there- first game as your supporters!
Yes- it was a disgrace. They were the worst type of low life.
There were many perfectly OK Man-U supporters- families, around,and thay must have felt ashamed to be at all associated with these animals.
I didn't realise they attacked a woman.
It won't put us off coming and supporting, though. Thank goodness, there are not many like that lot.
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Not forgetting the tossers in the bar at half time throwing beer and bottles in the air.
I used to have a season a ticket at united when I was 16 - i am 38 now and you can stick the red scum for me.
I said before (weeks ago) I will not be attending on Tuesday for SCUM - My stance still stands and is confirmed even more by todays events.
On one note it is about time we arrange decent friendlies - screw united and screw SCUM.
Alty forever (Season Ticket Holder).
Not to mention the man in the bar beating his kids up - disgraceful - if he does that in public what does he do to them at home?
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Today was an absolute disgrace to everything related to Manchester United.
It would be too hard to put into words their unbelievable behaviour. What are the stewards supposed to do against those mindless pricks? It is their job to enforce the rules and make sure everyone is safe, it is not to face up to idiots who quite clearly wouldnt listen to a thing they said. I agree something should have been done immedietely after they started beating the Golf Road end but stewards would have provoked them further and caused even more trouble. It should have been the police sorting them out but once again (after the Marcus Hallows incident) the police were nowhere to be seen 40 minutes after getting a call!!!!!
Throwing bottles on the pitch, throwing bottles around the bar, throwing smoke bombs, standing all over the barriers, beating and damaging the golf road end and then invading on the pitch...an absolute disgrace. Thank god we no longer have an affiliation with United in terms of the reserves playing at Alty. They really should be banned from Moss Lane for life. As for the damage to the ground, the metal panels at the back of the golf road are all loose and one fell out completely. The main stand seemed OK after the match (from what I saw). Thankfully the fantastic new toilet and snack bar block seemed to go undamaged aswell.
Greg Young and Colin Little were right to give a couple of their fans a sorting out.
I too hope the game is called off on Tuesday and only wish the game today had been called off earlier. Today could and should have been a great day out at Sheffield FC...instead we were forced to watch a bunch of chavs attack our players, our staff and our ground, not to mention the fact that they ruined the game for many new fans and first timers at Moss Lane.
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You cannot blame our stewards. They attempted to confiscate alcohol which was met with abuse and threats.
They are volunteers, they aren't going to put there safety on the line. The police reaction time of 45 mins a major talking point.
And as for the "United fans", they were wannabe Red Army members on a training day. No real lads would go bullying at Alty in a friendly. Its not done.
I don't want to say anymore as I can't be arsed being criticised but todays events were just awful.
I thank God that Alty fans have the intelligence to not say one provocative word to these people or the scenes would have been far far worse.
I believe there is damage to the main stand and the bar, and the off licence was also looted. However the poilce have the MUTV tapes so they won't be hard to track.
I wasn't going Tuesday anyway as F C United should never have been allowed in our ground again. I now hope its postponed so others don' have to spend another 90 minutes looking over their shoulders.
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Their atchuli not FC united stickers, theres people who hate FCUM and still Hate Glazer. Oh yeah and stop crying you mard arses ;D
LOVE UNITED
HATE GLAZER
Your not United supporters, anyone who gives their club a bad name are not very supportive! You are simply mindless idiots who have no interest in football just chaos. Why hate a clubs owner who has provided a team that became champions of Europe last year you dumb git! P**s of back to the hole you came from, your are the scum that you sing about when singing Leeds songs, oh and learn to spell you thick t**t.
As for anyone who attended this game and now is left with a bad impression of Alty, especially the first time visitors please see through the fact that this is not a usual scene, we have an extremely friendly club, the decision to play FCUM may have been a risk and even more so judging by today, but as for United i don't recall anything like this from last seasons United game, only the FCUM game. You can't blame the club for wanting to play a United side hoping for a name and a good attendance, not to mention a good work out for our lads, i can guarantee if we did not play them one year, but they played every other local team we would have people moaning "why don't we get to play United and reap the benefits".
Rant over......for now!
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Fair enough the stewards couldn't do much towards the end, but fans were running on the pitch at half time and I was looking at the stewards at the chequers end and they were not paying attention. At the beginning of the 2nd half when the fans were spread across both ends, again I was watching the stewards and they were either chatting or watching the match.
Why wasn't the alcohol confiscated at the gates? Bags could have been searched. It happens at other grounds.
I don't think there was anyone in the ground surprised that this happened. I think the board need to take a look at themselves and admit they have made a huge mistake and should not have dismissed the fans' concerns about the FCUM match (after all they are the same fans).
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We have never had an issue with United before.
These people were not true United fans, they were not even true United hooligans.
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so your blaming Fc united fans? ::) ::)
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Their atchuli not FC united stickers, theres people who hate FCUM and still Hate Glazer. Oh yeah and stop crying you mard arses ;D
LOVE UNITED
HATE GLAZER
Your not United supporters, anyone who gives their club a bad name are not very supportive! You are simply mindless idiots who have no interest in football just chaos. Why hate a clubs owner who has provided a team that became champions of Europe last year you dumb git! P**s of back to the hole you came from, your are the scum that you sing about when singing Leeds songs, oh and learn to spell you thick t**t.
As for anyone who attended this game and now is left with a bad impression of Alty, especially the first time visitors please see through the fact that this is not a usual scene, we have an extremely friendly club, the decision to play FCUM may have been a risk and even more so judging by today, but as for United i don't recall anything like this from last seasons United game, only the FCUM game. You can't blame the club for wanting to play a United side hoping for a name and a good attendance, not to mention a good work out for our lads, i can guarantee if we did not play them one year, but they played every other local team we would have people moaning "why don't we get to play United and reap the benefits".
Rant over......for now!
I'm not atchuli an FC fan I'm just wondering why they are getting the blame for somthing a differnet team has done when you cant prove ALL of them were FC fans
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sorry to hear about your troubles today.
For the record myself and 350+ other FC fans were all at kettering today, and i feel that its not right to blame any FC United of Manchester involvement with todays events.
Regarding tuesday lots of people at the game today are looking forward to tuesdays game, please remember there are genuine supporters out there. I know how you feel because every fc away the local inbreds turn up to cause trouble ie fleetwood, and garforth ( leeds) are2 examples were knobs turn up.
Hope you all enjoy the game better than todays , good luck for the coming season
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Me?
I reckon there was a few FC fans among them. Not blaming FC United though before your forum goes into overdrive.
The rest were just tagging on to 10-15 bigger lads who were up for it. Some 14 yr old scruffs were quite comical.
Timperley...sorry but £10 says you are Timperley Red from the FC United forum so drop the bollocks.
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I don't think the board are to blame in any way for today's events. We played United many times before FC Utd came on the scene and they were always good games played in a warm and friendly atmosphere. These hangers-on who came today are nothing to do with Manchester United in my view, they were FC United fans out to cause trouble and seriously misbehave.
I also echo the view that our stewards, as volunteers, can only be expected to do so much in these situations. I think it would be unfair to expect them to compromise their own safety by meeting these thugs head-on. The bottom line is the Police reaction was disgracefully slow and there is absolutely no doubt that if they had turned up when they should have done a lot of this trouble would have been avoided.
Once again, nobody at Altrincham F.C. is to blame in any way for today's disgraceful events.
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i take it the match wasn't segregated?
it probly should have been.
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Their atchuli not FC united stickers, theres people who hate FCUM and still Hate Glazer. Oh yeah and stop crying you mard arses ;D
LOVE UNITED
HATE GLAZER
Your not United supporters, anyone who gives their club a bad name are not very supportive! You are simply mindless idiots who have no interest in football just chaos. Why hate a clubs owner who has provided a team that became champions of Europe last year you dumb git! P**s of back to the hole you came from, your are the scum that you sing about when singing Leeds songs, oh and learn to spell you thick t**t.
As for anyone who attended this game and now is left with a bad impression of Alty, especially the first time visitors please see through the fact that this is not a usual scene, we have an extremely friendly club, the decision to play FCUM may have been a risk and even more so judging by today, but as for United i don't recall anything like this from last seasons United game, only the FCUM game. You can't blame the club for wanting to play a United side hoping for a name and a good attendance, not to mention a good work out for our lads, i can guarantee if we did not play them one year, but they played every other local team we would have people moaning "why don't we get to play United and reap the benefits".
Rant over......for now!
I'm not atchuli an FC fan I'm just wondering why they are getting the blame for somthing a differnet team has done when you cant prove ALL of them were FC fans
If you were one of those clowns today please don't insult us by referring to yourself as a FAN, your not a United fan, a FCUM fan or even a football fan, those clowns are hooligans, the sort that i thought we got rid of a long time ago.
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If a friendly needs to be segregated it should not be played.
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i take it the match wasn't segregated?
it probly should have been.
In all fairness mate, there was no precedent from previous friendlies against Man Utd to suggest that segregation would have been necessary today.
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It was a bunch of kids who were pissed, people saying they were Fc united fans is bulltsh*t, just because people were sticking Love united Hate Glazer dont mean its Fc fans ::) or did you recognize the Fc 'head cases' personally ::) ::)
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"timperley", you never answered my question: Do you think it is clever to hit women?
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"timperley", you never answered my question: Do you think it is clever to hit women?
Oh sorry- I dont think any of it was clever, I didnt realise women had been hit but I'm just saying its wrong to blame FC United fans when there is no proof
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I didn't go today but did go last season and that was a great game, good crowd and very friendly, I think it is harsh to blame FCUM as someone else already said these yobs are from Altrincham, but regardless Im waiting to see what Man united as a Club will do after all they brought a team to play a freindly and they couldn't finish the game, it was a very young squad I bet they were terrified. Come on Utd do the right thing here. Im also told that there is never a problem at Northwich when Utd play their reserves. This was yobs using a football game and were not supportwers of any team
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RocketDan spot on, should have been segregated.
But it is not the boards fault, nor anyone at Altrincham FC. We have NEVER had any trouble with United in the past and so there wasn't much reason to segregate. After all, many United fans may have gone in the home end anyway. I'm not at all blaming FC United and I know there are real fans out there but there is no doubt most of the fans causing trouble were FC United fans and whilst it would be a shame to call off the game on tuesday, it has to be done. Don't blame us, blame the hooligans that have ruined it for everyone.
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Me?
I reckon there was a few FC fans among them. Not blaming FC United though before your forum goes into overdrive.
The rest were just tagging on to 10-15 bigger lads who were up for it. Some 14 yr old scruffs were quite comical.
Timperley...sorry but £10 says you are Timperley Red from the FC United forum so drop the bollocks.
Atchully its not, I did try signing up for it quite a while ago just to see what it was all about, but you cant use hotmail adress' on their forum but fair play thinking that I was ;)
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RocketDan spot on, should have been segregated.
t most of the fans causing trouble were FC United fans and whilst it would be a shame to call off the game on tuesday, it has to be done. Don't blame us, blame the hooligans that have ruined it for everyone.
you are talking sh*te most Fc fans were at Kettering, it was kids who were set out on trouble before the game and had a little too much beer
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most Fc fans were at Kettering
That is totally untrue. Average FC United home gate: approx 2,000. Number of FC United fans at Kettering today: approx 350.
I'm no Carol Vorderman but that leaves about 1,650 regular FC United fans who were at a loose end today.
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You cannot tell me that all FC United fans went to Kettering today when a lot of them live near or in Alty. Trust someone who was at the game today, whilst there were young United fans involved in the trouble, many of them were FC United fans from around the area.
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MESSENGER REPORT
ALTRINCHAM FC's high profile friendly against Manchester United was abandoned after a Robins player was attacked by drunken fans.
Greg Young was physically confronted by a United supporter during a mass pitch invasion five minutes before the end of the game.
It meant the game was called to a premature halt with the visitors' young side leading 3-0.
The incident capped an afternoon of trouble at Moss Lane.
Before kick off a female employee of the club had been attacked by a visiting supporter who had attempted to gain entry to the ground without paying.
Then, at half time, rowdy fans caused damage to the Moss Lane bar, climbing on tables and throwing bottles and glasses through the air.
An unconfirmed amount of alcohol was also stolen from an off-licence on Moss Lane opposite the ground.
As of yet, no arrests have been made.
Now Altrincham vice chairman Grahame Rowley believes the club have to seriously consider whether to call off Tuesday's friendly with FC United, a club set up by breakaway Manchester United supporters.
The Unibond Premier side are expected to bring a large following with them to Moss Lane and there was crowd trouble in the previous meeting between the two teams when fighting broke out on the terraces.
"I have never been so embarrassed in my life," said Rowley.
"This was a sponsors' open day for us but who would want to sponsor the club after seeing scenes like this, I know I wouldn't.
"I think we need to sit down now and decide whether to go ahead with Tuesday night's game. We're not sure at the moment."
Although trouble began before the game, incidents escalated during the second half when visiting supporters in the Golf Road End began to climb on safety barriers and let off smoke bombs.
Then, five minutes before the end, a large group of fans made their way onto the pitch, one of them confronting Young before shoving the defender in his chest.
Some of Young's Altrincham teammates quickly came to his aid before the troublemakers dispersed after the arrival of police.
A Greater Manchester Police spokesman added: "We were informed at 3.45pm of a small number of drunken fans who had attended a friendly football game.
"Officers did attend and at that point spirits were deemed OK.
"But a pitch invasion occured, stewards couldn't deal with it and police support was called for.
"By the time police arrived at the scene, the fans had dispersed into the streets of Altrincham. No arrests were made."
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I'm sorry but I'm not having the fact that, without hindsight, there was any reason to segregate a friendly match between an unheard of United 11 and Alty.
Never been a hint of trouble at any friendly other than the FC united one ever.
No one is ever arsed enough about the games.
As Baldrick says if you have to segregate a friendly you are picking the wrong teams.
The sad fact is that there is a greater worry with this...today was an open day for potential sponsors. Not sure they will be back soon.
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I don't think the board are to blame in any way for today's events. We played United many times before FC Utd came on the scene and they were always good games played in a warm and friendly atmosphere. These hangers-on who came today are nothing to do with Manchester United in my view, they were FC United fans out to cause trouble and seriously misbehave.
I also echo the view that our stewards, as volunteers, can only be expected to do so much in these situations. I think it would be unfair to expect them to compromise their own safety by meeting these thugs head-on. The bottom line is the Police reaction was disgracefully slow and there is absolutely no doubt that if they had turned up when they should have done a lot of this trouble would have been avoided.
Once again, nobody at Altrincham F.C. is to blame in any way for today's disgraceful events.
Where do you think fcum fans come from? Exactly.
This was an anti-Glazer protest. Not an FCUM rally, not "bullying" of Alty. How many Alty fans were attacked?
And what happened to this woman who was "attacked"?
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I was there today with the 'yobs' and yes I admit it was embarassing at times. I've signed up to this forum to clear FC's name and I can confirm that there was NO FC UNITED FANS at moss lane today whatsoever, and to the dick head who posted something along the lines of 'how can you hate your owner when you are european champions?' well that level of understanding of said situation suggests you shouldn't comment on it mate. Slightly annoyed about the bar getting smashed up as it's you who have to pay and most these lads were altrincham kids who had obviously seen that a group of match going reds were having a good sing song ala 1st half behind the goal. A lot of lads who went today were in Moscow and travel europe and we were just out for a sing song pre season, banging on the stands....dont be so mard lads. I can see a few football banning orders for the culprits.
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I was there today with the 'yobs' and yes I admit it was embarassing at times. I've signed up to this forum to clear FC's name and I can confirm that there was NO FC UNITED FANS at moss lane today whatsoever, and to the dick head who posted something along the lines of 'how can you hate your owner when you are european champions?' well that level of understanding of said situation suggests you shouldn't comment on it mate. Slightly annoyed about the bar getting smashed up as it's you who have to pay and most these lads were altrincham kids who had obviously seen that a group of match going reds were having a good sing song ala 1st half behind the goal. A lot of lads who went today were in Moscow and travel europe and we were just out for a sing song pre season, banging on the stands....dont be so mard lads. I can see a few football banning orders for the culprits.
well said. If there were a clapping emotion I would use it
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So now you have turned it into a personal slanging match.
How cute, I'll leave you to moan on Red Issue.
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I was there today with the 'yobs' and yes I admit it was embarassing at times. I've signed up to this forum to clear FC's name and I can confirm that there was NO FC UNITED FANS at moss lane today whatsoever, and to the dick head who posted something along the lines of 'how can you hate your owner when you are european champions?' well that level of understanding of said situation suggests you shouldn't comment on it mate. Slightly annoyed about the bar getting smashed up as it's you who have to pay and most these lads were altrincham kids who had obviously seen that a group of match going reds were having a good sing song ala 1st half behind the goal. A lot of lads who went today were in Moscow and travel europe and we were just out for a sing song pre season, banging on the stands....dont be so mard lads. I can see a few football banning orders for the culprits.
So if there were no FC fans, where did they get the stickers from?
As for going to watch them in Europe. LMFAO. As if that bunch of Shameless lookalikes could afford tickets. I bet it was there first time at a United match because of either being a scrounger or being banned.
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I was there today with the 'yobs' and yes I admit it was embarassing at times. I've signed up to this forum to clear FC's name and I can confirm that there was NO FC UNITED FANS at moss lane today whatsoever, and to the dick head who posted something along the lines of 'how can you hate your owner when you are european champions?' well that level of understanding of said situation suggests you shouldn't comment on it mate. Slightly annoyed about the bar getting smashed up as it's you who have to pay and most these lads were altrincham kids who had obviously seen that a group of match going reds were having a good sing song ala 1st half behind the goal. A lot of lads who went today were in Moscow and travel europe and we were just out for a sing song pre season, banging on the stands....dont be so mard lads. I can see a few football banning orders for the culprits.
So if there were no FC fans, where did they get the stickers from?
As for going to watch them in Europe. LMFAO. As if that bunch of Shameless lookalikes could afford tickets. I bet it was there first time at a United match because of either being a scrounger or being banned.
loads of united fans have Love United Hate Glazer very easy to get, always in and around Old Trafford
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The stickers are off the internet, LUHG is not an FC United thing as such. I've got the stickers and I've never been to an FC game in my life.
Open your eyes, many lads nowadays can't afford tickets at all and most struggle to get them as it is. There are ways round not having tickets, all depends on what they personally feel they have to do to watch United and what extremes they will go to but that is a different discussion point. As an Altrincham fan it may be hard to grasp, reading your comments it seems even your club has deteriorated in terms of the common fan and that shocks me as you are a local club with terraces etc and a bit of history....Prawn sandwiches in the Carol Nash stand ;D
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The whole thing sounds dreadful, lets be sensible in future, no more "friendlies" against teams who are unable to understand the concept.
Anyone on here trying to condone what went on should really take a look at themselves and why they watch football. As for "Timperley" a member for a while on here, if people take a look at your profile you only ever comment on MU/FCUM issues.
I would sincerely hope the club will be writing to MU about today requesting their comments regarding any damage caused to the ground and the clubs relationship with our neighbours. I shudder to think what the town centre was like too.
All that fuss about Millwall eh?
To the board, money is important but PSFs are about getting a squad together. The fans can generate money as can a successful team.
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I don't think the board are to blame in any way for today's events. We played United many times before FC Utd came on the scene and they were always good games played in a warm and friendly atmosphere. These hangers-on who came today are nothing to do with Manchester United in my view, they were FC United fans out to cause trouble and seriously misbehave.
I also echo the view that our stewards, as volunteers, can only be expected to do so much in these situations. I think it would be unfair to expect them to compromise their own safety by meeting these thugs head-on. The bottom line is the Police reaction was disgracefully slow and there is absolutely no doubt that if they had turned up when they should have done a lot of this trouble would have been avoided.
Once again, nobody at Altrincham F.C. is to blame in any way for today's disgraceful events.
Where do you think fcum fans come from? Exactly.
This was an anti-Glazer protest. Not an FCUM rally, not "bullying" of Alty. How many Alty fans were attacked?
And what happened to this woman who was "attacked"?
How many Alty fans would have been attacked if we had told you to "f**k off"?
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I don't think the board are to blame in any way for today's events. We played United many times before FC Utd came on the scene and they were always good games played in a warm and friendly atmosphere. These hangers-on who came today are nothing to do with Manchester United in my view, they were FC United fans out to cause trouble and seriously misbehave.
I also echo the view that our stewards, as volunteers, can only be expected to do so much in these situations. I think it would be unfair to expect them to compromise their own safety by meeting these thugs head-on. The bottom line is the Police reaction was disgracefully slow and there is absolutely no doubt that if they had turned up when they should have done a lot of this trouble would have been avoided.
Once again, nobody at Altrincham F.C. is to blame in any way for today's disgraceful events.
Where do you think fcum fans come from? Exactly.
This was an anti-Glazer protest. Not an FCUM rally, not "bullying" of Alty. How many Alty fans were attacked?
And what happened to this woman who was "attacked"?
How many Alty fans would have been attacked if we had told you to "f**k off"?
Answering a question with a question - always a sign that you have no answer.
As for "if we had told you to f**k off?" - I don't know. I didn't go. I'm not a Man United supporter. Just trying to help you see sense. More difficult than I anticipated, bless your hearts.
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The whole thing sounds dreadful, lets be sensible in future, no more "friendlies" against teams who are unable to understand the concept.
Anyone on here trying to condone what went on should really take a look at themselves and why they watch football. As for "Timperley" a member for a while on here, if people take a look at your profile you only ever comment on MU/FCUM issues.
I would sincerely hope the club will be writing to MU about today requesting their comments regarding any damage caused to the ground and the clubs relationship with our neighbours. I shudder to think what the town centre was like too.
All that fuss about Millwall eh?
To the board, money is important but PSFs are about getting a squad together. The fans can generate money as can a successful team.
That is because I am a MUFC fan who has respect for FCUM but dont go to the games and take a big interest in them and I am sorry for my first comment it was out of order and childish I'm not trying to argue I just want people to be fair- if it was FC United fans then fair anough but I think people are seriosuly jumping to conclusions.
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You know the chav families from the local social housing estates, where everything is impossible and nothing is ever their fault, well here we go, they grow up like these "visitors". Sorry Utd fans for being here, sorry for having a problem with you causing bother and trying to trash our ground, sorry for not understanding how the world is against you.
Grow up and take some responsibility you morons.
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Wind your neck in then if you have no interest.
What I am saying is that no Alty fans were attacked because they had the brains to keep their mouths shut.
If they hadn't they would have been attacked. How hard is that to understand?
Whats happened to the woman who was attacked? She was very shaken from what I could see and gave details to the police.
As for where for do FCUM fans come from...I'd say some come from Man United and some come from around the region.
Is that clear enough for you?
This was no protest. It was 100 pissed up lads, a few who had stickers, taking liberties at Alty because they know we have no lads and they thought they could do what they liked. Which they did.
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From the talking Steward at the back of the Chequers end.
My name is Steve from Sale, those of you who know me I have been an ardent Alty Fan now for the last 34 years. Despite the slightly more concilitary nature of CB's last posting, I still take offence to his original posting and his severe criticism of me in particular, and also my colleagues. I was the steward at the back of the Chequers End, who at the time was talking to my son when the problems started. I radioed the head steward immediately I saw the 1st youth climb the fence, There was no way I could have got to the area quickly enough to stop the invasion. Sorry but as a steward I am entitled to talk to away fans and also our home supporters should the need arise, and certainly members of my own family. That is also part of my job as steward, partly peacekeeping and partly to engage the trust of away fans.
The bad behavoiur was down to the fans themselves, the Alty fans played no part in this whatsover. The correct way to deal with this was carried out by the club but they did not get the back up they needed from outside, despite several requests.
Please remember we are all volunteers, Mark Ecky was exactly right in his reply, which smacks of common sense. I love my family very much and wish to be there for them, and my club also, and will not endanger myself or others by putting our life's at risk. Anybody with an ounce of common sense should see that without putting stupid derogatory comments about us.
Fair play, things went wrong today but we are stewards who are responsible for our own safety and our fans and everybody in the ground. The last thing we need when we try and do our best to do our job is criticism when we have not put our lives on the line. We are trained stewards qualified to NVQ standards, but we are not the police. Any head-on confrontation would have made matters worse for everybody. Who would tell my wife I had been attacked and seriously injured, and may not live through it, you CB?!!!
Everybody knows who I am, I have started stewarding as a volounteer once again this season, but will walk away from both this and the club if we get unjust criticism.
Once again, my name is Steve from Sale and a bloody angry one at that, and I certainly do not hide myself with initials.
Steve From Sale
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good point guys ::) lets cancel all other friendlies because I heard blackburn,Stalybridge and Bradford fans where there with stickers about Leeds and Burnley and Trafford :o ::) ::) so I think its best to cancel the rest even tho they are different teams ::) ::) ::)
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good point guys ::) lets cancel all other friendlies because I heard blackburn,Stalybridge and Bradford fans where there with stickers about Leeds and Burnley and Trafford :o ::) ::) so I think its best to cancel the rest even tho they are different teams ::) ::) ::)
What I dont get is why you are sticking up for a load of pissed up kids who were well out of order
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I don't think the board are to blame in any way for today's events. We played United many times before FC Utd came on the scene and they were always good games played in a warm and friendly atmosphere. These hangers-on who came today are nothing to do with Manchester United in my view, they were FC United fans out to cause trouble and seriously misbehave.
I also echo the view that our stewards, as volunteers, can only be expected to do so much in these situations. I think it would be unfair to expect them to compromise their own safety by meeting these thugs head-on. The bottom line is the Police reaction was disgracefully slow and there is absolutely no doubt that if they had turned up when they should have done a lot of this trouble would have been avoided.
Once again, nobody at Altrincham F.C. is to blame in any way for today's disgraceful events.
Where do you think fcum fans come from? Exactly.
This was an anti-Glazer protest. Not an FCUM rally, not "bullying" of Alty. How many Alty fans were attacked?
And what happened to this woman who was "attacked"?
How many Alty fans would have been attacked if we had told you to "f**k off"?
Answering a question with a question - always a sign that you have no answer.
As for "if we had told you to f**k off?" - I don't know. I didn't go. I'm not a Man United supporter. Just trying to help you see sense. More difficult than I anticipated, bless your hearts.
You didnt go? And you know there was no FCUM fans there?
Your trying to justify what happened. Its not ok that someone got attacked whether or not they were female, whether or not they escaped serious harm. I dont care if the bunch of pricks supported Castleton Gabriels and it was an anti-Gary Barlow Protest, its not on to trash a ground at a friendly or any other game, and its not on to run on a pitch during a match and have a go at players.
The problem is that FCUM has now given a platform to the idiots who were too cheap to cause trouble at Old Trafford and the rest of europe. These fools arent football fans, they arent even decent hooligans. Now these idiots are going to Man U friendlies to ply their trade.
The American millionaires can pay for the damage.
I hope Man U and FCUM never darken our doors again to keep these bell ends away. Its a shame for Alty, FCUM and Man U. The club should have listened to us last year.
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"Mob mentality ruled the day today,and for those FCUM supporters on here fighting their corner, fair play, but a sizeable number of the people pulled for thier part in today serious disorder are know FCUM "followers".This can be verified by Steve Lewis or anyone else at GMP football intelligence. "
The above is from a different thread on this site.
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I am afraid to say that many people commenting on this topic do not understand the politics or know how many fractions of the anti Glazer there are. Its pretty obvious don't comment on things you you know nothing about
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There were no f**king FC there today are you lot blind?
I am a United supporter so if anything I'd shift the blame on to FC (I wouldn't but I'm hardly going to go out my way defending them am I?)
And just a quick one, I don't particularly like the 2 lads that confronted your player and thought it was rather embarassing. However, a lad of 14 who I know ran on the pitch and one of the Altrincham players slide tacked him and through him to the floor trying to kick him in doing so. This is where the confrontation started, the initial pitch invasion was a laugh, look at the facts before portraying the 'family club' image.
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Alex c we routinely play Blackburn, Stalybridge and Bradford in PSF's. They are yet to concern our stewards or attempt to damage the ground.
For whoever cares I went with my son to see Fulham play Celtic today, over 8,000 Celtic fans, no bother, lots of noise and colour and the young lad I saw outside unwisely wearing an England shirt was gently but not threateningly ribbed by the travelling hordes. It was a pre season friendly.
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good point guys ::) lets cancel all other friendlies because I heard blackburn,Stalybridge and Bradford fans where there with stickers about Leeds and Burnley and Trafford :o ::) ::) so I think its best to cancel the rest even tho they are different teams ::) ::) ::)
What I dont get is why you are sticking up for a load of pissed up kids who were well out of order
I am not I am saying it was a load of pissed up 14 year olds, all of you lot are saying its Fc went it wasn't
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There were no f**king FC there today are you lot blind?
I am a United supporter so if anything I'd shift the blame on to FC (I wouldn't but I'm hardly going to go out my way defending them am I?)
And just a quick one, I don't particularly like the 2 lads that confronted your player and thought it was rather embarassing. However, a lad of 14 who I know ran on the pitch and one of the Altrincham players slide tacked him and through him to the floor trying to kick him in doing so. This is where the confrontation started, the initial pitch invasion was a laugh, look at the facts before portraying the 'family club' image.
not what the off duty guy is saying in other thread
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There were no f**king FC there today are you lot blind?
I am a United supporter so if anything I'd shift the blame on to FC (I wouldn't but I'm hardly going to go out my way defending them am I?)
And just a quick one, I don't particularly like the 2 lads that confronted your player and thought it was rather embarassing. However, a lad of 14 who I know ran on the pitch and one of the Altrincham players slide tacked him and through him to the floor trying to kick him in doing so. This is where the confrontation started, the initial pitch invasion was a laugh, look at the facts before portraying the 'family club' image.
not what the off duty guy is saying in other thread
Who to believe?
I knew almost ALL, or someone I knew, knew all the 'yobs' today.
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I'm an FC United fan. If Alty were getting the blame for Stalybridge fans causing trouble at Leek, you may look to clear your clubs name.
My point with where the fans come from: some tool was on about "Man United fans never caused trouble, only FC United."
But surely - as you said - the FC fans were Man United fans before FC existed. Making the argument rather weak.
From what i've seen, it just looks like a bunch of lads who had a good time, had a few too many and got a bit carried away. I'm not defending running onto the pitch.
As for you saying Alty fans didn't get a slap because they kept their mouths shut: I don't care why it was. But somebody was saying there was bullying. So no Alty fan was attacked or approached. Some pretty poor bullying going on there methinks. Or someone getting their nickers in a twist...
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[Who to believe?
I knew almost ALL, or someone I knew, knew all the 'yobs' today.
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You must be so proud.
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There were no f**king FC there today are you lot blind?
I am a United supporter so if anything I'd shift the blame on to FC (I wouldn't but I'm hardly going to go out my way defending them am I?)
And just a quick one, I don't particularly like the 2 lads that confronted your player and thought it was rather embarassing. However, a lad of 14 who I know ran on the pitch and one of the Altrincham players slide tacked him and through him to the floor trying to kick him in doing so. This is where the confrontation started, the initial pitch invasion was a laugh, look at the facts before portraying the 'family club' image.
the lad deserved all he got, if i found out my 14 year old pissed up son had commited a criminal offence of going onto a field of play and confronted a player and been smacked, i would not have thought twice about that he f'in deserved it !
as for the family club comment, it doesnt help when you've 50 yobs commiting offences to which we could do nothing about because the local plod decide its a catagory z 999 call
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On a light hearted note as I drove down Moss Lane I did notice Tesco were still trading. Perhaps they will join the publicity bandwagon tomorrow and issue a statement on the lines of... 'during pre-season friendlies at our neighbours Altrincham FC we have decided as a commited family trader, to ommit from buisness on the said dates'... :)
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On a light hearted note as I drove down Moss Lane I did notice Tesco were still trading. Perhaps they will join the publicity bandwagon tomorrow and issue a statement on the lines of... 'during pre-season friendlies at our neighbours Altrincham FC we have decided as a commited family trader, to ommit from buisness on the said dates'... :)
Damm you! I was all ready to rant!
All I can say is I'm embaressed that I'm a member of that same species.
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The "Man United" fans there today were a discrace, from the start you could tell they were here for trouble and to get p*ssed, half of them didnt even watch the game, they are an embarrasment to their club and i hope no Alty fans decicde not to visit Moss Lane again based on todays events.
As for "timperley" you are an FSCUM fan because you go my school and i know for a fact you will be attending the game on Tuesday so dont try act like your not!.
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I'm a young United fan who goes all home games and as many aways as possible. (I hate FCUM but thats a different matter)
1. I can tell you that to my knowledge there were NO FC United fans there today. The 'Love United Hate Glazer' ditty is as much MUFC's as FCUM's. We (MUFC) plaster the stickers everywhere we go. We also sing about killing Glazer everywhere we go. So get that straight.
2. To say that the young lads who were there today aren't United fans is wrong, because I recognised most of the lads, and know some of them from previous United home and away games.
3. Yes we kicked the panels. Yes we set off smoke bombs. And yes we invaded the pitch. - It was a chance to get away with stuff we'd normally get arrested for!
THERES ONLY ONE UNITED
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I'm a young United fan who goes all home games and as many aways as possible. (I hate FCUM but thats a different matter)
1. I can tell you that to my knowledge there were NO FC United fans there today. The 'Love United Hate Glazer' ditty is as much MUFC's as FCUM's. We (MUFC) plaster the stickers everywhere we go. We also sing about killing Glazer everywhere we go. So get that straight.
2. To say that the young lads who were there today aren't United fans is wrong, because I recognised most of the lads, and know some of them from previous United home and away games.
3. Yes we kicked the panels. Yes we set off smoke bombs. And yes we invaded the pitch. - It was a chance to get away with stuff we'd normally get arrested for!
THERES ONLY ONE UNITED
Are you happy with robbing the off-licence too ? Or do you not normally 'get away' with that ?
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The "Man United" fans there today were a discrace, from the start you could tell they were here for trouble and to get p*ssed, half of them didnt even watch the game, they are an embarrasment to their club and i hope no Alty fans decicde not to visit Moss Lane again based on todays events.
As for "timperley" you are an FSCUM fan because you go my school and i know for a fact you will be attending the game on Tuesday so dont try act like your not!.
I've never met you in my life mate, what are you on about ???
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I'm a young United fan who goes all home games and as many aways as possible. (I hate FCUM but thats a different matter)
1. I can tell you that to my knowledge there were NO FC United fans there today. The 'Love United Hate Glazer' ditty is as much MUFC's as FCUM's. We (MUFC) plaster the stickers everywhere we go. We also sing about killing Glazer everywhere we go. So get that straight.
2. To say that the young lads who were there today aren't United fans is wrong, because I recognised most of the lads, and know some of them from previous United home and away games.
3. Yes we kicked the panels. Yes we set off smoke bombs. And yes we invaded the pitch. - It was a chance to get away with stuff we'd normally get arrested for!
THERES ONLY ONE UNITED
Are you happy with robbing the off-licence too ? Or do you not normally 'get away' with that ?
We've done it before, in town on the way back from Wigan after winning the league last season was the last time I can remember it.
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Having witnessed events today, the argument as to which club's supporters were to blame is irrelevant. We have had unacceptable behaviour from opposing fans at games against both FCUM and Man United now The main point is that the Club and its supporters should not have to go through that again, and so neither Man Utd nor FCUM, should be allowed to return for friendly fixtures. Especially as the police are clearly unable to provide the back up when it is required. I don't think we should expect our Club's officials, staff, stewards and supporters to face the potential for similar behaviour on Tuesday.
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I'm a United fan who was at the game earlier - no attempt whatsoever here to defend the cretins who acted up today. I'd say I am embarrassed to support the same club as them but they're not football supporters - they're a bunch of lowlives who use football as a means to an end, that end being escapism from their pathetic existences through violence, vandalism and generally being morons. Don't know if they were MUFC or FCUM, don't really care - neither club deserves having their name dragged through the mud by them and I'd hope in the cold light of day we won't all be tarred by the same brush.
Can't blame the stewards for what went on as far as I could see, any real intervention was only likely to make things worse. The police should have been there far far sooner - it was obvious from a very early stage that it was going to kick off. Not sure what United could have done to stop these people who unfortunately attach themselves to the club from attending today's game and causing trouble, but all the same I'd hope we'd at the very least pay for any damage caused.
It does look like future friendlies between United and Alty are a no-go. These morons aren't going anywhere and unsegregated, unpoliced friendlies so close to Manchester are always going to attract them. It's a real shame, I've always enjoyed coming to Moss Lane, be it for friendlies or reserve matches.
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Having witnessed events today, the argument as to which club's supporters were to blame is irrelevant. We have had unacceptable behaviour from opposing fans at games against both FCUM and Man United now The main point is that the Club and its supporters should not have to go through that again, and so neither Man Utd nor FCUM, should be allowed to return for friendly fixtures. Especially as the police are clearly unable to provide the back up when it is required. I don't think we should expect our Club's officials, staff, stewards and supporters to face the potential for similar behaviour on Tuesday.
Very good point, it seems from the turnstile operators through to bar staff and stewards had to put up with and watch unacceptable behaviour. Like was shouted at the end off the game, next year we'll have city, bring city here instead !!
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The "Man United" fans there today were a discrace, from the start you could tell they were here for trouble and to get p*ssed, half of them didnt even watch the game, they are an embarrasment to their club and i hope no Alty fans decicde not to visit Moss Lane again based on todays events.
As for "timperley" you are an FSCUM fan because you go my school and i know for a fact you will be attending the game on Tuesday so dont try act like your not!.
I've never met you in my life mate, what are you on about ???
shut up Karl, i know you from school and dont deny it, i even know your password for the forum, anyway i dont want to go in a private chat just stop trying to make out your not a FSCUM fan when you are.
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Message to 14 yr olds who don't wish to be slide tackled. Don't go on the pitch, its rare to be side tackled on the terraces.
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Message to 14 yr olds who don't wish to be slide tackled. Don't go on the pitch, its rare to be side tackled on the terraces.
Or was until you turned up anyway.
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Message to 14 yr olds who don't wish to be slide tackled. Don't go on the pitch, its rare to be side tackled on the terraces.
Can we also suggest if you push a fully grown 6ft 6 man at 14 pissed you are likely to be clipped round the earhole :)
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I'm a young United fan who goes all home games and as many aways as possible. (I hate FCUM but thats a different matter)
1. I can tell you that to my knowledge there were NO FC United fans there today. The 'Love United Hate Glazer' ditty is as much MUFC's as FCUM's. We (MUFC) plaster the stickers everywhere we go. We also sing about killing Glazer everywhere we go. So get that straight.
2. To say that the young lads who were there today aren't United fans is wrong, because I recognised most of the lads, and know some of them from previous United home and away games.
3. Yes we kicked the panels. Yes we set off smoke bombs. And yes we invaded the pitch. - It was a chance to get away with stuff we'd normally get arrested for!
/quote]Pity you didn't get arrested today then, you clearly believe mindless numbskull behaviour is ok if you aren't caught. Hopefully your IP address s well and truly recorded here and when the local plod finally get their fingers out and realise they need to show results when the local papers demand it your door will be knocked on. Also you may believe we are Micky Mouse but all games are extensivelly photographed and videoded.
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Videoded.......oops, stay off the Belgian beer SW.
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So basically, you are just admitting that you came to Altrincham with the sole intention of causing trouble. You came to somewhere small with the delibrate intention of causing trouble because you knew you would not be arrested.
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Who to believe?
I knew almost ALL, or someone I knew, knew all the 'yobs' today.
Excellent. The clubs number is 0161 928 1045. Do ring them on Monday as they and the police go through the footage. I'm sure they'll be very happy to have your help putting names to the faces of the tramps, altho they have a number already anyway.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsWNOy44lHc
Interesting that the person who posted this video has an FCUM logo by their username.
You still sure there definitely weren't any FCUM fans at today's game?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsWNOy44lHc
Interesting that the person who posted this video has an FCUM logo by their username.
You still sure there definitely weren't any FCUM fans at today's game?
Knowone is saying that were NO FCUM fans there, people are saying that they may have not been causing truoble yet are for some reason getting the blame ???
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But somebody was saying there was bullying. So no Alty fan was attacked or approached. Some pretty poor bullying going on there methinks.
A female volunteer was punched in the face. How does this not constitute bullying?
You are deluded and as bad as those whose actions you seek to defend.
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All united fans are one-eyed scum and always have been. You won't get any apology from the club. Fc united fans were once regular scum fans remember? Just because they support a different team now doesn't mean that they are not scum anymore
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsWNOy44lHc
Interesting that the person who posted this video has an FCUM logo by their username.
You still sure there definitely weren't any FCUM fans at today's game?
Knowone is saying that were NO FCUM fans there, people are saying that they may have not been causing truoble yet are for some reason getting the blame ???
Your spelling is an embarrassment!
At least one person has stated in this thread that there were definitely no FCUM fans there today.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsWNOy44lHc
Interesting that the person who posted this video has an FCUM logo by their username.
You still sure there definitely weren't any FCUM fans at today's game?
Knowone is saying that were NO FCUM fans there, people are saying that they may have not been causing truoble yet are for some reason getting the blame ???
Your spelling is an embarrassment!
At least one person has stated in this thread that there were definitely no FCUM fans there today.
It's only a forum, spelling doesnt really matter although I didn't realise I had spelt trouble wrong :-[ :) and who ever has said that no FCUM fans were there are oviously wrong but all I'm saying is that there getting the blame when it wasn't even a FCUM match!! :o
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CB, I think you owe an apology to the stewards and club officials. Your criticism is way over the top.....in previous years parents with small children turned up ! Not k**b heads !
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I'm saying is that there getting the blame when it wasn't even a FCUM match!! Shocked
FCUM fans don't support MUFC?
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Let's have it right, Manchester United Football Club might be local to us but the gates/money/hassle we get at PSFs vs them we might as well play Stockport or Rotherham. We don't need to be patronised once a year by the local United fans to hassle our stewards, vandalise our ground, attempt to assault our players and generally act the balloon. Why the devil don't we play City next year? The gate was what about 700ish, 300 less then than our league average last season, frankly we don't need their money.
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I'm sorry but I don't think my criticism is so over the top. I agree that the stewards were blameless in the 2nd half, but I stand by my comments that things could have been nipped in the bud earlier. The kids running on the pitch at half time were there for an age before someone reacted. I know because as soon as it happened I looked to the stewards and they were not paying attention. The Alty fans around me were asking what the stewards were doing.
Steve, I'm Clare from Sale. I'm sorry if you think I have singled you out. I understand that you volunteer and don't expect the aggro you got.
However (and this is not directed at you) it was clear from the start that trouble was brewing. Why weren't more stewards located in the away end? Apparently no arrests were made so what happened to the lad that punched the unfortunate woman in the face?
How did so much alcohol get through?
I didn't know that the police had been called earlier - I don't suppose they'll tell us why they took so long!
I hope that United will pay for the damage to be fixed and the board make the decision ASAP that the FCUM match is cancelled and we will play neither team again. There are loads of local sides (City, Stockport, Bolton, Rochdale etc) that we should try and forge bonds with and distance ourselves from United who, whatever they say, attract troublemakers intent on nothing more than causing destruction.
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having just read all this I am shocked to see all this trouble caused by United fans at a reserve team game.I agree with Mark you should NOT need to segregate fans at a friendly and I have never seen it done.To put the blame on FCUM with out proof is a bit like a red flag to a bull if the game against them goes ahead just think how their fans are going to react,ok some justifacation with the stickers but not proof as such,it could have been United fans that hate FCUM and had a point to prove over Glazier.As for playing friendlies against good teams could not agree more we should be,Living in Exeter i have noticed that the teams down here do play against teams like Portsmounth first team brentford and even plymouth.We used to play friendlies against the likes of Bury Rochdale and Stockport and even United reserves :-[ I can understand playing Trafford as the club has close links with them but lets get some decent local league teams there are enough in the area.
I just hope the lady that was attacted is ok.
As for the Police do you honestly expect them to turn up when trouble is actually going on.
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Here we go again the season has not started and i am having to defend the actions of the stewards.
My name is Darren Gregory i go under the voluntary role of stadium safety officier.
Todays event took me and several members of the club by surprise having been involed with several Man utd friendlies and resevre games before.
1. The club was not informed of any pre planned trouble and there has never been a history of trouble playing Man utd 11,
I recongised a lot of genuine MU supporters from when there reserves played at moss lane.
2.What were the stewards/people at the gate doing letting in clearly drunk people with 6 packs of lager?
The amount of alcohol we did take off the fans was quite large but with only 12 stewards on duty we just couldn't search everyone.
3. Before you question why there were only 12 stewards on duty, is that is all we had available due to holidays, leaving the job (which i will not be surprised if some more don't after today's event and criticism) and since may the 29th i have been advertising this http://www.altyfans.co.uk/index.php?topic=5688.0
4. Why wasn't the match segregated? The day i have to segregate a friendly is the day i retire from the stewarding staff.
5.Why wasn't it nipped in the bud 2 minutes into the game?
It was myself who was talking to there fans and trying to identify the culprit who had pushed the way past a female member of staff
after waying up the situation it was decided we couldnt have a positive id and being totally out numberd it was best to back off and observe from a distance and call the police for advice.
6. Why wasn't the police called earlier? After the above point 5 i phoned the police about 1510hrs and informed them of the situation, Having explained what was going on and asking for a police presence to assess the stituation i was informed by the operater that some one would be there in 5 minutes.
7. What were the stewards doing when anti-Glazer stickers were being stuck to the barriers/floodlights? the only place i was told it was done was in the bar where we took them down.
8. What were the stewards doing in the 2nd half when the fans were standing on the barriers, openly drinking, setting off flares and kicking the hell out of the Golf Road stand? Standing by idly whilst watching the match?
The police officier arrived at the ground at 1550 i told him of the situation he assessed it and said there is a Tactical aid unit on its way and left saying if it gets any worse phone 999. I decided for the safety of the fans and the stewards it was best to step back and observe to avoid further confrontation. The first rule of being a steward is do not put yourself or any fan at risk.
9. Why wasn't the match called off earlier? That is down to referee.
10.Why wasn't the game stopped and an announcement over the PA system telling them to pack it in or it would be called off?
This would have antaganised the situation i believe and caused further disorder.
11. 1640 after several 999 calls by myself and other members of staff and fans the same police officier who had earlier attended turned up with blues and two's on just in time to see the pitch invasion and said there was further back up on the way Which arrived just as the game had ended. These officiers were all local so where was the ta unit that had been tasked?
This isn't the first time the response time has been slow to any incident at our ground from police or ambulance services.
12. No arrest were made but several names and address were taken and they were videoed for the police.
13. From the start of match or after the first incident i had 2 photograpers take as many pictures as they could of this big group.
Having seen some off the pictures i will be passing them on to the police so they can take further actions.
14. To be fair having criticised the police for there response time once on the ground they did a good job trying to detain as many of them as possible.
Rant over lets enjoy the season also plenty of vacancys still available on the totally clueless stewarding team thank you.
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Just a couple of points that may be worth making here.
I was told by one of the Police Officers (when they arrived) that the majority of the people leaving the ground who were identified as having been involved were known FCUM followers who were not averse to causing problems where they thought that they could.
There has been no problem relating to recent matches against Manchester United fixtures, which have incidentally been played midweek when the idiots (a) are less likely to come and (b) Have had less time to drink.
Pre seasons are always difficult as Stewards, like everybody else have to take their Holidays sometime so sometimes the numbers aren't what you might want but for a 'no recent history' fixture like Man Utd XI no problem was anticipated.
It might seem crass to say this CB but I can now that I've retired. The Club needs all the help it can get - If you have any suggestions as to how things might be improved it may be a more productive use of your key strokes to contact the Club rather than come on here criticising our volunteer Stewards for not getting battered.
The scenes, particularly toward the end of the match were not pretty, I'll grant you that and it did look as though nothing was being done BUT all the miscreants were in one area of the ground, not all over causing trouble with the Home Support and the decent MUFC fans..this was down to the deployment of staff at both ends of the Golf Road Terrace.
All miscreants were photographed and the invasion videoed so it is possible to trace these people.
And can I just ask please that you have a thought for Darren Gregory who (pardon my french), together with the staff, worked his bollocks off yesterday to try to control the situation.
WELL DONE DARREN and the Team - from someone who has experienced life on the front line
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Just a couple of points that may be worth making here.
I was told by one of the Police Officers (when they arrived) that the majority of the people leaving the ground who were identified as having been involved were known FCUM followers who were not averse to causing problems where they thought that they could.
WELL DONE DARREN and the Team - from someone who has experienced life on the front line
Says it all about FCUM fans!
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It'll be ineteresting to see what the media coverage of this is. If it had been Millwall fans getting a friendly abandoned, then they would be nailed tothe wall for it.
the game doesn't even get a mention in the results page in today's News of the World. Which is strange for a Manchester United XI.
Will it be hidden from the records to prevent the media having to mention anything negative about one of their favourite clubs?
For the record about the police, Macc played Blackburn in front of 2,000 last week and had no police there. No one should need to have police at a pre-season friendly. you can't blame anyone at the club for that.
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I hate to agree with a Macc fan, but some good points there.
I also notice the match was not on the BBC Sport website fixtures or results
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There is an article about the trouble in today's Non League paper (nothing about the game). Instead of scrapping this fixture in future why not play it at Old Trafford? This would probably attract more Alty fans than a game at Moss Lane and if there is any trouble the Old Trafford staff would be more capable of dealing with it. Forget about the police, they are useless and cause more problems than they solve.
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Not having been there yesterday I am horrified to read of events.
First of all well done to Darren for a mature concise reply and explanation.
I can only read what has been said and come to my own conclusions.....one of which is that the FCUM match should be called off.
We've never had a spot of bother with Manchester United matches which are a regular fixture in our friendly calendar and are usually a pleasure to attend
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It's interesting how police in different areas deal with football, we had loads of police at our game against Derby yesterday which no doubt we had to pay for) where as it seems GMP couldn't really be bothered
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I think its irelevant really who these people support; they are nobs who the vast majority live locally to Altrincham.
What a sad bunch of losers who come to a friendly family club to vent there lifes frustrations here.
You are not welcome please do not return.
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You people are really something, do you know that?
A lot of you Alty fans are SO desperate to hate us FCUM fans aren't you? Even when our team isn't even playing yours, we get the blame because there was trouble casued by MUFC fans who share our dislike of Glazer. You've had numerous Man Utd fans on this forum who are not FC fans (one of which even saying he hates us!) apologising on behalf of MUFC and saying that there were very few FC fans at this game. And as stated earlier, a good 300+ FCUM fans, includung myself, were at Kettering Town for our first friendly game of the season, and there wasn't an ounce of trouble. Yet you're STILL desperate to blame FC for all your club's ills, all because TWO YEARS AGO one of our fans, who was subsequenly banned from the club until the following year, chased a couple of lads at your ground. I've been following FC since the very beginning and I know this to be pretty much the only example of our fans instigating trouble. The rest of it has been instigated by locals looking for fights with a "mini-Man U" (Salford, Newcastle Town, Bacup etc)
To those Alty fans on here who say it's harsh to blame FCUM with no proof, I say a big well done to you and congratulations for using your brain. To the rest of you blaming a completely seperate club for the actions of a few yesterday without a shred of said proof, take a good long look at yourselves. Are you going to lay the blame on us every time United fans cause trouble, even when FCUM themselves are playing in the south of England? Or just when they play Alty?
I hope Tuesday's game goes ahead, and I think that if you're a fair-minded individual, you should reserve your judgement on our behavior nowadays until you actually play FC United. I suspect however that I'm pissing in the wind with this entire post.
Good luck in the Conference again this year
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Good? Afternoon. First time poster on this forum, only just registered. Felt I had to make a few comments after reading about this on the FC forum.
Get things straight from the off
I am NOT an FCUM supporter
I AM a Kettering Town follower - for my sins,though not as often as I would like to be.
I attended the friendly yesterday at RR and enjoyed a comfortable victory against FCUM - 2-0, could have been TWENTY - Nil.
A couple of incidents there made me visit their forum to get their take on them, that's when I noticed this "discussion"
We had an incident of infiltration into the home fans by a group of FCUM "fans" luckily our stewards dealt with them.
Reading through this ManU eleven friendly incident makes me wonder though. It seems the "hardcore" FCUM were at Kettering and all in all they weren't bad - spent a lot of cash and made quite an atmosphere ( friendly ) with their songs. Though why they think we're a small town in Corby I don't know >:(
If you go ahead with your friendly this week against them, will their "hardcore" not turn up feeling aggrieved that they have been blamed for something they were not involved in?
The "if we're going to be blamed for something we didn't do, we might as well do something anyway" syndrome might occur.
If it wasn't FCUM, which I suspect it wasn't as others ;) have their own agendas against them, will the local chavscum/asbo/rats tip up at their friendly to kick off again knowing FCUM will get the blame?
This is a hard one but I believe all of their headcases were at our place and not yours.
Anyway, if you DO play them, if you're a half decent team you'll wipe the floor wiith them as they offered nothing against us - REALLY ;D
Good luck, whichever action you choose.
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You people are really something, do you know that?
A lot of you Alty fans are SO desperate to hate us FCUM fans aren't you? Even when our team isn't even playing yours, we get the blame because there was trouble casued by MUFC fans who share our dislike of Glazer. You've had numerous Man Utd fans on this forum who are not FC fans (one of which even saying he hates us!) apologising on behalf of MUFC and saying that there were very few FC fans at this game. And as stated earlier, a good 300+ FCUM fans, includung myself, were at Kettering Town for our first friendly game of the season, and there wasn't an ounce of trouble. Yet you're STILL desperate to blame FC for all your club's ills, all because TWO YEARS AGO one of our fans, who was subsequenly banned from the club until the following year, chased a couple of lads at your ground. I've been following FC since the very beginning and I know this to be pretty much the only example of our fans instigating trouble. The rest of it has been instigated by locals looking for fights with a "mini-Man U" (Salford, Newcastle Town, Bacup etc)
To those Alty fans on here who say it's harsh to blame FCUM with no proof, I say a big well done to you and congratulations for using your brain. To the rest of you blaming a completely seperate club for the actions of a few yesterday without a shred of said proof, take a good long look at yourselves. Are you going to lay the blame on us every time United fans cause trouble, even when FCUM themselves are playing in the south of England? Or just when they play Alty?
I hope Tuesday's game goes ahead, and I think that if you're a fair-minded individual, you should reserve your judgement on our behavior nowadays until you actually play FC United. I suspect however that I'm pissing in the wind with this entire post.
Good luck in the Conference again this year
100% perfectly said
..says the Non FCUM fan
Not quite perfect though..its says chased instead of assaulted.
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Not quite perfect though..its says chased instead of assaulted.
Big bloody deal. It happened two years ago and the perpetrator was appproprately dealt with by our club afterwards. Are you ever going to forget about it, or are you going to let one undesirable represent our entire fanbase for all time?
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As someone who has beenn a fan of the club for approx 12 years I have to say that the incidents during the game against FCUM 2 years ago were some of the most disgraceful scenes I have witnessed. I voiced my opinion about never playing them again shortly afterwards. In May at the public meeting I again stressed disgust that the club was choosing money over good taste and decency and vowed not attend Tuesday's game. Now after yesterdays events the club should do the right thing. Surely the cost of Police, and the loss of future supporters and sponsors will exceed any income from the game. The board need to stand firm and make the right decision or do our views not matter anymore.
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As someone who has beenn a fan of the club for approx 12 years I have to say that the incidents during the game against FCUM 2 years ago were some of the most disgraceful scenes I have witnessed. I voiced my opinion about never playing them again shortly afterwards. In May at the public meeting I again stressed disgust that the club was choosing money over good taste and decency and vowed not attend Tuesday's game. Now after yesterdays events the club should do the right thing. Surely the cost of Police, and the loss of future supporters and sponsors will exceed any income from the game. The board need to stand firm and make the right decision or do our views not matter anymore.
::) unbelievable. It really is like talking to a brick wall. I suggest you read my above post.
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gutted about what happen yesterday...
i was supposed to be going along with some work mates,mixture of fans Man U and City......
cant believe Alty got this kind of trouble at a friendly involving the two teams i love and follow and used to visit both before i had a family.
not a big fan of FC as they just seem to boss all the smaller clubs about with the massive following they have and as for what has happened in the past i dont think the "Friendly" would be a good idea...
for the record i will be taking my family to moss lane when they are older to experience the family friendly atmosphere you get at Alty.
regards
Ron
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As far as I recall there was more than one person causing trouble. Why was he only banned for a season?
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I was there today with the 'yobs' and yes I admit it was embarassing at times. I've signed up to this forum to clear FC's name and I can confirm that there was NO FC UNITED FANS at moss lane today whatsoever, and to the dick head who posted something along the lines of 'how can you hate your owner when you are european champions?' well that level of understanding of said situation suggests you shouldn't comment on it mate. Slightly annoyed about the bar getting smashed up as it's you who have to pay and most these lads were altrincham kids who had obviously seen that a group of match going reds were having a good sing song ala 1st half behind the goal. A lot of lads who went today were in Moscow and travel europe and we were just out for a sing song pre season, banging on the stands....dont be so mard lads. I can see a few football banning orders for the culprits.
I'm the D**k head who wrote it and for the record a United fan from Alty hence the support for BOTH clubs, as for not understanding the situation at United i understand it perfectly, the take over situation was not ideal but the intial fears of what could happen with it have not been the case, in fact the running of the club has not changed, ask Ferguson if you need any confirmation of that, (don't moan about seaspn ticket prices as it's still cheaper than a lot of other clubs) and regardless of what you think you don't need to come to another ground and protest to another team which really doesn't care anyway.
And for the comments of "it was just a laugh" "we were just doing things we don't normally get away with" it just confirms you came with no respect for a small local club, and no respect for the club your were representing, that being United of course as you insist that your not FCUM fans. Damage has been caused by the actions of yesterday so it is not a laughing matter for a club who runs such a tight budget. I hope the police do catch up with you so you know you can't "get away with it" at Moss Lane either!
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I have no axe to grind either with Man.Utd. nor indeed FCUM. I am a Kettering Town fan who attended yesterday's game against FCUM. Our game yesterday was a segregated game and a wise move IMO as a more boorish shower I have yet to meet. I'm sure there were some decent fans amongst those with attitude but in the league FCUM are now in and games that are not segregated I can see trouble ahead. As has been said a number of FCUM fans got into the "Home" end before being bundled through the gates to join up with the away support which DID NOT NUMBER MORE THAN 150. Like all other clubs we have numerous friendlies lined up where fans of both clubs will be free to wander from end to end so what was different yesterday. Simple IMO. Non segregation would have meant trouble.
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I have no axe to grind either with Man.Utd. nor indeed FCUM. I am a Kettering Town fan who attended yesterday's game against FCUM. Our game yesterday was a segregated game and a wise move IMO as a more boorish shower I have yet to meet. I'm sure there were some decent fans amongst those with attitude but in the league FCUM are now in and games that are not segregated I can see trouble ahead. As has been said a number of FCUM fans got into the "Home" end before being bundled through the gates to join up with the away support which DID NOT NUMBER MORE THAN 150. Like all other clubs we have numerous friendlies lined up where fans of both clubs will be free to wander from end to end so what was different yesterday. Simple IMO. Non segregation would have meant trouble.
I think there were at least double that mate, from where I was sat, there were a good few and the ones I met before and after were quite ok and knowledgeable. But hey, every club ( think "Shoe Crew" ) has their knobs, even Altrincham.
No doubt I'll get slagged for that last comment but I doubt I'll get a denial over it.
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Quite a few of you on here are doing a passable impression of someone putting a bucket over their head and shouting really loud.
Try listening to what people are telling you.
I wasn't at Moss Lane yesterday, but from everything I have heard from people who were there, the unpleasantry was NOTHING to do with FC United.
So why, for Christ's sake, are you still banging on and on about FC United?
|Over on Redissue forum, they are all having a good laugh at you for blaming FC when , by all accounts, the mither was down to a small group of young MUFC fans who think of themselves as the next generation of hoolies - and many of whom despise FC United.
Is there any evidence at all that there were FC fans involved, other than someone saying that a copper told them?
The danger, as someone else says, is that it will make for an unpleasant atmosphere on Tuesday, not something anyone at FC wants.
As for the kettering fans posting on here, when you say FC United fans "infiltrated" the home end, do you mean they went and stood with the Kettering fans, as we have been doing for three years virtually without incident (five arrests in three seasons)?
The only incidence of FC United fans causing any mither that we can remember was that disgraeful thing at Alty a couple of seasons ago, and that was dealt with, both by the club and the fans.
We have been standing and having banter with home fans for three seasons now, with the only trouble coming from local Asbos
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Our game yesterday was a segregated game and a wise move IMO as a more boorish shower I have yet to meet. I'm sure there were some decent fans amongst those with attitude but in the league FCUM are now in and games that are not segregated I can see trouble ahead. As has been said a number of FCUM fans got into the "Home" end before being bundled through the gates to join up with the away support which DID NOT NUMBER MORE THAN 150. Like all other clubs we have numerous friendlies lined up where fans of both clubs will be free to wander from end to end so what was different yesterday. Simple IMO. Non segregation would have meant trouble.
At football in general, epsecially pre-season friendlies at alty, home fans never cause any trouble. its away fans. So surely segregation can only improve saftey of all individuals. Which is why i don't fully understand Darren saying "the day he segregates a pre-season friendly is the day he gives up stewarding".
I still believe away fans should be put in the away end where they can be easlier managed and kept away from home fans so as not to give them a chance at starting something.
If the friendly was played at old trafford or gig lane it would be segregated.
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I have no axe to grind either with Man.Utd. nor indeed FCUM. I am a Kettering Town fan who attended yesterday's game against FCUM. Our game yesterday was a segregated game and a wise move IMO as a more boorish shower I have yet to meet. I'm sure there were some decent fans amongst those with attitude but in the league FCUM are now in and games that are not segregated I can see trouble ahead. As has been said a number of FCUM fans got into the "Home" end before being bundled through the gates to join up with the away support which DID NOT NUMBER MORE THAN 150. Like all other clubs we have numerous friendlies lined up where fans of both clubs will be free to wander from end to end so what was different yesterday. Simple IMO. Non segregation would have meant trouble.
I think there were at least double that mate, from where I was sat, there were a good few and the ones I met before and after were quite ok and knowledgeable. But hey, every club ( think "Shoe Crew" ) has their knobs, even Altrincham.
No doubt I'll get slagged for that last comment but I doubt I'll get a denial over it.
Infiltrated more like a few lads just having a bit of a laugh who had actually paid in the away end then went out and paid back in for a laugh and as for being bundled out the gates by the stewards who were also having a laugh with the same lads at the time by pretending to throw them out of the gates as one of the stewards said "make it look good in case the boss is watching"
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As for the kettering fans posting on here, when you say FC United fans "infiltrated" the home end, do you mean they went and stood with the Kettering fans, as we have been doing for three years virtually without incident (five arrests in three seasons)?
If the game is known to be a segregated game why go into the "Home" end
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As for the kettering fans posting on here, when you say FC United fans "infiltrated" the home end, do you mean they went and stood with the Kettering fans, as we have been doing for three years virtually without incident (five arrests in three seasons)?
If the game is known to be a segregated game why go into the "Home" end
Like I say having a laugh, no trouble
But if you want to try turning it into FC fans start outbreak of world war 3 then Im sure you will find yourself perfectly at home with the majority in here
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I have no axe to grind either with Man.Utd. nor indeed FCUM. I am a Kettering Town fan who attended yesterday's game against FCUM. Our game yesterday was a segregated game and a wise move IMO as a more boorish shower I have yet to meet. I'm sure there were some decent fans amongst those with attitude but in the league FCUM are now in and games that are not segregated I can see trouble ahead. As has been said a number of FCUM fans got into the "Home" end before being bundled through the gates to join up with the away support which DID NOT NUMBER MORE THAN 150. Like all other clubs we have numerous friendlies lined up where fans of both clubs will be free to wander from end to end so what was different yesterday. Simple IMO. Non segregation would have meant trouble.
Sorry to piss on your bonfire mate but the ejecting of the five lads from the home end was orchestrated and was in agreement with your stewards who seem to have more of a sense of humour than you.
You obviously didnt see the same lads shaking hands with your stewards on the way out.
There were no problems at Kettering yesterday apart from a bit of light hearted banter. FACT.
But dont let that get in the way of your story eh.
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Infiltrated more like a few lads just having a bit of a laugh who had actually paid in the away end then went out and paid back in for a laugh
Yes of course. I often do that ::) ::) ::)
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If the game is known to be a segregated game why go into the "Home" end
I didn't know it to be segregated and ended paying into the home end by accident. Myself and some friends were also allowed to go between the away end and the seated home end in the second half, where I had some pleasant conversations with some of your fans. Sorry if that came across as 'boorish'
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If the game is known to be a segregated game why go into the "Home" end
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For three seasons we have been travelling everywhere with very little, very relaxed or no segregation, with virtually no problems - and where there have been problems, apart from the one at Alty, they have been down to local troublemakers out for a pop at "United".
It appears quite clear that those who "infiltrated" the home end were not out for trouble, as there was none.
So what you appear to be saying is that the segregation was necessary because you don't trust your own fans.
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infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy ;D
nice choice of username......... I knew I'd find some humour on this thread.
Just a thought though.... didn't Altrincham invent non-league football ;)
I'm sure I've heard that somewhere before ;D
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If the game is known to be a segregated game why go into the "Home" end
I didn't know it to be segregated and ended paying into the home end by accident. Myself and some friends were also allowed to go between the away end and the seated home end in the second half, where I had some pleasant conversations with some of your fans. Sorry if that came across as 'boorish'
The boorish behaviour was the F*ckin inbreds shouts and the hand signals offering us over and before you get a little mixed up you know exactly what I mean. And I did say I was sure there were some decent fans.
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infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy ;D
nice choice of username......... I knew I'd find some humour on this thread.
Just a thought though.... didn't Altrincham invent non-league football ;)
I'm sure I've heard that somewhere before ;D
Isnt this Altrincham's forum? We're entitled to be a bit f**ked off, and say what we like. Its nothing to do with non-league football, its to do with these embarrasing little pricks who decided to be big men and go mad at a pre-season friendly at alty.
The problem with FCUM's element of T**ts is more to do with non-league. They have no idea how to behave at a football match where they arent guided around like sheep cos theyve never been until 3 years ago or they only went to premiership football matches.
Im gutted for FCUM for being blamed for yesterday, we should just publish pictures of the individual bell ends on the official website. There's no smoke without fire, the police have confirmed that, they go to FCUM games as well, so why should we foot the bill on tuesday when we can pre-empt it and cancel.
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was there supposed to be some text added after you quoted our postings?
Or was that a similar attempt at humour to my post? ( it was a piss poor effort on my part - sorry - I will now go and lash myself with the brush of a recently road killed fox )
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I was stood next to a couple of people today who said "they told us this was going to happen" which I believe to mean that these fans had made it clear that they were planning to cause trouble - does this mean that the club were also aware that there could have been trouble? If so, why didn't we do anything about it?
Yes there was warnings over facebook but as most of these were made by kids i expect no one took notice. they were as follows.
Duncan Fraser wrote
at 2:03am on July 17th, 2008
i think this could all go up in smoke :).
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Blaine Denton wrote
at 1:02am on July 17th, 2008
STRETFORD REDS WE ARE HERE!!
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Thomas Gale wrote
at 7:50pm on July 14th, 2008
Smoke bombs :D
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Chris Jackson wrote
at 1:58am on July 12th, 2008
We all best be singin for 90mins and evry1 bring flags and banners. lets show altrincham how united fans roll :D
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Ciaran Hopkins wrote
at 1:13pm on July 10th, 2008
yeh will be the reserves but just an excuse for a piss up and a few songs ;)
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Harry Pennington wrote
at 4:10pm on July 3rd, 2008
YES PALACE REDS ALL THE WAY
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Thomas Gale wrote
at 9:25pm on July 2nd, 2008
Yeh am up for that.
Just make sure everyone gets on the same tram/train so we dont pay.
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bunch of free loading scumbags.
the fcum fan who said it was only one fan bla bla bla running around there was a good few people who got hit including myself and dave who was battered.
both teams fans behaved disgracefully so why take the chance time again people come to watch alty for love of the club or just to watch a good game of football not to be beaten up or for a game to be abandoned due to scumbags like the game yesterday. the club need to protect there fans and i dont think these games need to be played anymore, the children were scared yesterday and after all there the people who will carry on the clubs attendence for years to come.
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If the game is known to be a segregated game why go into the "Home" end
I didn't know it to be segregated and ended paying into the home end by accident. Myself and some friends were also allowed to go between the away end and the seated home end in the second half, where I had some pleasant conversations with some of your fans. Sorry if that came across as 'boorish'
The boorish behaviour was the F*ckin inbreds shouts and the hand signals offering us over and before you get a little mixed up you know exactly what I mean. And I did say I was sure there were some decent fans.
I saw the same thing coming from some of your younger fans after you scored your second goal but I'm not going on other clubs' forums calling your fans. Hand signals and away fans who aren't used to segregation singing in your home end hardly constitute what you're making us out to be mate. Can't we all just get along? 8)
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Im gutted for FCUM for being blamed for yesterday, we should just publish pictures of the individual bell ends on the official website. There's no smoke without fire, the police have confirmed that, they go to FCUM games as well, so why should we foot the bill on tuesday when we can pre-empt it and cancel.
So when and where did the police do that, then?
Yet more bollocks.
But, as such crap seems to be the norm on here, I have been told that the trouble was acvtually caused by a breakaway faction of a David Icke-worshipping cult. They weren't football fans at all, buit shape-shifting lizards from outer space.
It must be true, because someone calling himself "off Duty" posted it on a website.
Drop the idiocy, and let's have a proper debate about this, eh?
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Our game yesterday was a segregated game and a wise move IMO as a more boorish shower I have yet to meet. I'm sure there were some decent fans amongst those with attitude but in the league FCUM are now in and games that are not segregated I can see trouble ahead. As has been said a number of FCUM fans got into the "Home" end before being bundled through the gates to join up with the away support which DID NOT NUMBER MORE THAN 150. Like all other clubs we have numerous friendlies lined up where fans of both clubs will be free to wander from end to end so what was different yesterday. Simple IMO. Non segregation would have meant trouble.
At football in general, epsecially pre-season friendlies at alty, home fans never cause any trouble. its away fans. So surely segregation can only improve saftey of all individuals. Which is why i don't fully understand Darren saying "the day he segregates a pre-season friendly is the day he gives up stewarding".
I still believe away fans should be put in the away end where they can be easlier managed and kept away from home fans so as not to give them a chance at starting something.
If the friendly was played at old trafford or gig lane it would be segregated.
I still stand by what i said the day i have to segregate a friendly i will give up stewarding unless the club have been pre warned of any trouble or that a large number of away fans are expected.
We have had away following in our league with 500 plus in our ground and it has been segrated and we have gone in amongst them to eject trouble causes
which all clubs seem to bring one or two and not feared for the safety of the stewarding team as most fans are ther to watch football.
Yesterday it was 50-100 so called football fans who whole intent was to cause trouble and far outwayed us in terms of numbered so the decision was made to call the police for advise because if we had tried to eject just one of them we would have had an even worse situation.
Some of the address given to the police some of these lived 20 miles away
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I thnk there has to be a sense of propotion here. FCUM fans have to accept that there is always a chance that idiots will turn up to their games because of the Manchester United connection, and that because of the large percentage of the local population that follow United, you well inevitably get a higher number of idiots.
Altrincham fans also need to accept that to most people that follow Manchester United, FCUM is not even on the radar and there's always a chance that these trouble makers would not even be aware of Tuesday's game. Now the fixture has been set up it needs to go ahead, but I think if FCUM want to build a reputation as a club for real fans they need to have some of their own stewards at the game so they can identify if any trouble makers are with them or not.
But .. segregate the game, don't allow in fans who are already drunk, and don't allow them in with carrier bags full of booze.
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Can't we all just get along?
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Exactly!
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Can't we all just get along?
Exactly!
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Don't recognise any of that lot from FC United.
Is the conspiracy theory starting to crumble?
Some of you are not doing yourselves any favours by constantly trying to link what happened on Saturday with FC United, because
A. the real problem is not being addressed - in fact it could encourage the idiots who caused mither to trun up again
B. You are being laughed at by MUFC fans who think it's hilarious that FC United are getting the blame
Having said that, can I be the next person to put my hand over my ears and shout:
IT WAS FC UNITED WHAT DONE IT!!!!!!!!!! NA NA NA NA I'M NOT LISTENING!!!!!!!
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If the game is known to be a segregated game why go into the "Home" end
I didn't know it to be segregated and ended paying into the home end by accident. Myself and some friends were also allowed to go between the away end and the seated home end in the second half, where I had some pleasant conversations with some of your fans. Sorry if that came across as 'boorish'
The boorish behaviour was the F*ckin inbreds shouts and the hand signals offering us over and before you get a little mixed up you know exactly what I mean. And I did say I was sure there were some decent fans.
Know exactly what you mean and and I think you will find that was a song that been sung for years and not an invitation
Any Alti fans on here who have watched United over the years and are old enough to remember the United Road will tel you that
Now so far you have used A few lads paying in a couple of times and having a laugh with the stewards and a song thats been sung for the last 30 odd years to have a go at FC fans
Whats next
I await with eager interest your next post wanting Capital punishment bringing back for the FC fan that accidentally dropped a bit of litter, the fact that he picked it up when he realised, but you can always miss that last bit out
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I'm furious about yesterdays events.
Regardless of how many FCUM fans were there, the behaviour was atrocious. The prick that tried to justify the events has "having a laugh" and "getting away with stuff that they'd usually get arrested for" sums up the attitude of the mindless knobs.
Whether the people causing havoc were MUFC or FCUM fans, the majority are clearly from the surrounding area, and calling the game off on Tuesday must be done to stop these teens coming back for exactly the same reason. Going ahead with the game will simply give them the chance to abuse more staff and damage our ground.
No offence at all to any Kettering fans but the way the United fans act at Alty is going to be different than at Rockingham Road due to the proximity of the clubs and the number of fans that will have visited Moss Lane in the past.
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Whats next
where do I start?? What about the nasty bloke who told one of our Catering Staff to "get some proper hot dogs next time" ? We've had them doggies for yonks and there's not a bit of rust on them tins.
Then the guy who had the gall to ask for "more milk" in his £1.00 poly cup of coffee - we're not a charity.
I could go on but....
oh yeah, what about the lad who bought 15 programmes !!! what was he planning to do with them??
Set them alight and pretend he was a ManU fan with a flare?
Never darken our doorstep again - filth - the lot of ya
PS - Down South this is regarded as HUMOUR
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where do I start?? What about the nasty bloke who told one of our Catering Staff to "get some proper hot dogs next time" ? We've had them doggies for yonks and there's not a bit of rust on them tins.
Then the guy who had the gall to ask for "more milk" in his £1.00 poly cup of coffee - we're not a charity.
I could go on but....
oh yeah, what about the lad who bought 15 programmes !!! what was he planning to do with them??
Set them alight and pretend he was a ManU fan with a flare?
Never darken our doorstep again - filth - the lot of ya
PS - Down South this is regarded as HUMOUR
;D
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Know exactly what you mean and and I think you will find that was a song that been sung for years and not an invitation
Any Alti fans on here who have watched United over the years and are old enough to remember the United Road will tel you that
Now so far you have used A few lads paying in a couple of times and having a laugh with the stewards and a song thats been sung for the last 30 odd years to have a go at FC fans
Whats next
I await with eager interest your next post wanting Capital punishment bringing back for the FC fan that accidentally dropped a bit of litter, the fact that he picked it up when he realised, but you can always miss that last bit out
You are quite obviosly some sort of clown. Of course we all go to games just to pay twice ::) ::) Get a grip boy.And of course we all go into the "Home" end when we know its a segregated match. Just for a laugh. ::) ::) And of course we gesture to invite the home fans in to the away end ::) ::)Grow up. When this match was arranged at least one of your lot came onto our forum and said FCUM were the most arrogant bunch we would come across. He was right.
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Yeh I found the bit about paying twice to get in, just for a laugh, to be a little bizarre.
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Maybe he liked Kettering so much he wanted to give donate some more money, but is also so modest he didn't want to draw attention to himself?
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Their atchuli not FC united stickers, theres people who hate FCUM and still Hate Glazer. Oh yeah and stop crying you mard arses ;D
LOVE UNITED
HATE GLAZER
here Mr Brainless shut your mouth you dick your as clueless as the people that attacked our defenceless players and stuck your sad stickers every where >:(. your violent supporters are mainly adults adults and you need to grow up. If Alty did one of them stickers it would say Love Alty never let United in here again. ;D
Couldn't unfortunately get to the lane on saturday due to family comitments but after reading the report and club statement I believe Tuesday is one of them where as the board your undecided as to whether it should be played but by playing it it shows we won't ever ever let brainless thugs beat us
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Maybe he liked Kettering so much he wanted to give donate some more money, but is also so modest he didn't want to draw attention to himself?
At £5 a pop, he could probably afford it, plus the fact that half of the "official" ;) ;) gate money went to FCUM anyway he didn't mind. Thinking about it now, the stewards and the "mob" were all laughing and shaking hands after the gate was shut so it was probably orchestrated as previously stated.
And yes, they did put a lot of coin our way over the bars and food outlets and also throughout the local hostelries they visited. I for one can see why they are seen as a cash cow for the not so well off clubs.
How much do you think Altrincham will take them for if your friendly goes ahead? How much is it to get in for an adult for your friendlies? Do you hike the entry fee up when they come to play you? or do you reduce like we did with the hope of attracting more in rather than fleecing the ones who do turn up?
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I hope we won't have anything to do with scum again, whether it be the actual rags, or their mickey mouse so-called fans team. Stick to playing teams who's fans know how to behave, City for example.
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No offence mate, but I assume you perhaps had a prior hatred of the United teams?
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Back to an earlier point, if you were in the home end and happily chatting and getting along with Kettering fans, why the hell were you removed?
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Alty Blue no offence but City ain't exactly the best example of team to have well behaved support and all your trying to do is point score
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Back to an earlier point, if you were in the home end and happily chatting and getting along with Kettering fans, why the hell were you removed?
I think you'll find that the lad who posted that they were in with our fans was not one of the lads "ejected", there were many FCUM - of all ages - in amongst our fans. There was no "actual" trouble.
Many actually paid into the wrong turnstiles which left them with the home supporters and there was a bit of "come and have a go" gesturing ( started by our Under 12's ::) ) which got the retaliatory hand gestures back.
As I asked earlier - please - how much is it to get in for your friendlies?
Altyblue - I think maybe you also have a hidden agenda against anything ManU related, please correct me if I'm wrong
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Yeh I found the bit about paying twice to get in, just for a laugh, to be a little bizarre.
As FC got half the money they were not that bothered
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not having a go at our young teenage support cause we've worked hard to build our young support up. But they seriously will cause our adult supporters a few problems with away or home supporters, who will not take much care who said it but won't attack the kids which is why a few of the loyal supporters like my self get frustrated with them v signing and everything else but won't actually fight
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Know exactly what you mean and and I think you will find that was a song that been sung for years and not an invitation
Any Alti fans on here who have watched United over the years and are old enough to remember the United Road will tel you that
Now so far you have used A few lads paying in a couple of times and having a laugh with the stewards and a song thats been sung for the last 30 odd years to have a go at FC fans
Whats next
I await with eager interest your next post wanting Capital punishment bringing back for the FC fan that accidentally dropped a bit of litter, the fact that he picked it up when he realised, but you can always miss that last bit out
You are quite obviosly some sort of clown. Of course we all go to games just to pay twice ::) ::) Get a grip boy.And of course we all go into the "Home" end when we know its a segregated match. Just for a laugh. ::) ::) And of course we gesture to invite the home fans in to the away end ::) ::)Grow up. When this match was arranged at least one of your lot came onto our forum and said FCUM were the most arrogant bunch we would come across. He was right.
Someone does something you don't do having a bit of fun so that makes people arrogant then
Or maybe because I don't agree with you then that must make me arrogant
You go on a forum accusing people yet when people give you an answer you don't like it telling people to grow I would say that makes you the arrogant one
Yes they went into the home end for a laugh not causing trouble just because you don't do that does not make it wrong
As for the gestures that was explained to you but you don't seem to understand its a song thats been sung for 30 odd years at least its a bit of banter
its even sung at home games between the home fans in opposite stands
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I'm loving this forum, almost makes me want to become an Alty fan.... well maybe that's a bit too much :)
Mick the Red - you ain't quite got the hang of this quoting and reposting lark have ya ;D
Anyways - for the umpteenth time - how much are you charging to get in ???????????
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I'm loving this forum, almost makes me want to become an Alty fan.... well maybe that's a bit too much :)
Mick the Red - you ain't quite got the hang of this quoting and reposting lark have ya ;D
Anyways - for the umpteenth time - how much are you charging to get in ???????????
It all went up the wall whilst I was typing
as for the question you keep asking according to the FC site
This game will be pay on the gate. Admission prices are as follows:
Adults £7
Under 14s and OAPs £2
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Alright,
Im a Leigh Genesis (RMI) fan, and ive had a good read of all 11 pages of chatter on this subject.
Firstly i think its every alty fans right to be annoyed by the events that happened at the game, as any fan would be if away fans kick off inside their ground and ruin a football match.
From hearing what happened, it sounds pathetic and its exactly what we dont need in football these days. Unfortunately it is also what is plaguing higher end football. So it is no shock that trouble starts when a higher profile and league club turn up is it?
Leigh hosted the first FCUM game in their history and it was a momentus and enjoyable day for everyone. Since that day i havent heard of much if any trouble from FCUM fans at any games. So i dont think its on to immediately point the finger at them. It makes much more sense to suspect MUFC fans, they are bred in the background of premier league football where a bunch of T**ts can hide behind the pysique of their club. With the close (even if unwanted) connection of clubs in everyones mind, it isnt a shock that they get tarred with the same brush.
We all know true fans dont cause trouble like this, and with FCUM being away i doubt any of the remainder would want to watch united, even if they did i dont think they were the core of trouble. It all seems to smell too much like higher league trouble, and there wannabe tough guys having a run out, to try and prove they are tough.
As for segregation, it will be a sad day where Non-league football is segregated. Most fans at this level, enjoy walking around the ground, swapping ends at half time, chatting to the locals and really getting a feel for the club. I know i spent many years as a youngster running around many grounds and time in my adult life enjoying the company of the opposing fans. The only issue we have with this is when clubs like FCUM, Boston etc go up/drop down to divisions where away support is generally very light, clubs are not used to dealing with their fan base, and so possible segragation for these type of games? But it would be horrible to think all games ending up segragated.
I've only got fond memories of spending time at alty, and will be trying to get to the FCUM game this year.
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not having a go at our young teenage support cause we've worked hard to build our young support up. But they seriously will cause our adult supporters a few problems with away or home supporters, who will not take much care who said it but won't attack the kids which is why a few of the loyal supporters like my self get frustrated with them v signing and everything else but won't actually fight
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony)
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No offence mate, but I assume you perhaps had a prior hatred of the United teams?
Fair point. Is it that obvious. LOL.
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Alright,
Im a Leigh Genesis (RMI) fan, and ive had a good read of all 11 pages of chatter on this subject.
Firstly i think its every alty fans right to be annoyed by the events that happened at the game, as any fan would be if away fans kick off inside their ground and ruin a football match.
From hearing what happened, it sounds pathetic and its exactly what we dont need in football these days. Unfortunately it is also what is plaguing higher end football. So it is no shock that trouble starts when a higher profile and league club turn up is it?
Leigh hosted the first FCUM game in their history and it was a momentus and enjoyable day for everyone. Since that day i havent heard of much if any trouble from FCUM fans at any games. So i dont think its on to immediately point the finger at them. It makes much more sense to suspect MUFC fans, they are bred in the background of premier league football where a bunch of T**ts can hide behind the pysique of their club. With the close (even if unwanted) connection of clubs in everyones mind, it isnt a shock that they get tarred with the same brush.
We all know true fans dont cause trouble like this, and with FCUM being away i doubt any of the remainder would want to watch united, even if they did i dont think they were the core of trouble. It all seems to smell too much like higher league trouble, and there wannabe tough guys having a run out, to try and prove they are tough.
As for segregation, it will be a sad day where Non-league football is segregated. Most fans at this level, enjoy walking around the ground, swapping ends at half time, chatting to the locals and really getting a feel for the club. I know i spent many years as a youngster running around many grounds and time in my adult life enjoying the company of the opposing fans. The only issue we have with this is when clubs like FCUM, Boston etc go up/drop down to divisions where away support is generally very light, clubs are not used to dealing with their fan base, and so possible segragation for these type of games? But it would be horrible to think all games ending up segragated.
I've only got fond memories of spending time at alty, and will be trying to get to the FCUM game this year.
Was chatting to you new left back on Staurday night he had high hopes for your season and says your new owner has a bit of cash.
All the best for the season ahead :)
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Phil Callaghan (St Ambrose College) wrote
at 9:06pm on July 19th, 2008
Hey hey!
I hear the Stretford Squirrels were behind today's trouble yet us f**ken FC fans are getting the blame. Anyway I don't give a f**k I hate Alty fans. Hope you kicked their heads in ;)
Republik of Mancunia
::) I've always thought the Man Utd breed are a bit strange
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Phil Callaghan (St Ambrose College) wrote
at 9:06pm on July 19th, 2008
Hey hey!
I hear the Stretford Squirrels were behind today's trouble yet us f**ken FC fans are getting the blame. Anyway I don't give a f**k I hate Alty fans. Hope you kicked their heads in ;)
Republik of Mancunia
::) I've always thought the Man Utd breed are a bit strange
Ooh, I know who's parents I'll be speaking to the next time I see them then...
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Anyone know what time St Ambrose finish? ;D
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I've not seen the papers today.
So did this get the coverage it deserved in the M.E.N. or are they sweeping it under the carpet?
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Anyone know what time St Ambrose finish? ;D
Silly boy has probably never met an Alty fan, yet says he hates them
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To be honest, Phil is the sort of person who would have those beliefs. He is a stereotypical FC fan, who has no respect for the Non League game, had only ever before been to Premiership football before FC were formed.
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The Stretford Squirrells - watch your nuts boys !!!!!
Has there been any statement yet from Man U or are they ignoring the issue ?
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Silly boy has probably never met an Alty fan, yet says he hates them
Well he know's me for a start. But being hated by Phil you're in a hell of a lot of company. He's a nice guy though once you get past that.
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As a United regular and Alty part timer I was particularly interested to see how MUFC would handle Saturday's events, fully expecting the PR machine to come out at some point on the website to condemn the troublemakers... yet still no mention of the game, result (or lack thereof) or any of the aftermath to be found on ManUtd.com.
No surprises there though I suppose.
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There is however a brief mention on the youth forums... although calling the 84 minutes a 'watchable encounter' is a bit strong...
http://manunitedyouth.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/altrincham-0-united-reserves-3/
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Talk about a mard over reaction lads.
It's not been giving the media attention you lot think it should have because it wasn't a patch on what you're perceiving it as.
Acting very small time and continuing to pull the 'local, friendly, innocent non league club' card out is rather amusing.
Get over it, play FCUM and start your season. You lot are like a bunch of women.
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Talk about a mard over reaction lads.
It's not been giving the media attention you lot think it should have because it wasn't a patch on what you're perceiving it as.
Acting very small time and continuing to pull the 'local, friendly, innocent non league club' card out is rather amusing.
Get over it, play FCUM and start your season. You lot are like a bunch of women.
I suppose you wouldn't mind your local boozer being ransacked by your neighbours pissed up 14 year old and his mates then would you ? Theres much less than that goes on in society that makes the papers these days !!
Don't recall one post on here complaining Altrincham FC hasn't recieved media attention over it tbh
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And just a quick one, I don't particularly like the 2 lads that confronted your player and thought it was rather embarassing. However, a lad of 14 who I know ran on the pitch and one of the Altrincham players slide tacked him and through him to the floor trying to kick him in doing so.
You should have tried it at last years friendly mate, with a bit of pace you'd probably have slipped past Tinno. :D
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Talk about a mard over reaction lads.
It's not been giving the media attention you lot think it should have because it wasn't a patch on what you're perceiving it as.
Acting very small time and continuing to pull the 'local, friendly, innocent non league club' card out is rather amusing.
Get over it, play FCUM and start your season. You lot are like a bunch of women.
I wouldn't expect you to understand for a minute mate. Our club live day to day.
Today we will be putting an order in for some more glasses for the bar and getting someone to fix the ceiling. The cost will probably wipe the profit on the next couple of golden goals. Sounds small time but its true.
We'll see if the groundsman can fix the back of that stand or if we need to get someone in. We'll be ringing around the sponsors who came for a day to see if we can repair the damage and if they will part with the money that will pay part of the weekly playing budget. We won't know how many kids won't be allowed to come again after that.
If a load of scousers smash the seats at Old Trafford and kick the sinks of the wall, then it a bit of an annoyance but the maintenance team will sort it in a few hours.
You won't understand but Saturday was like someone smashing our house up.
Of course, worse happens at most football league grounds most weeks. I know that most of the people involved will say that was nothing to what they could have done.
To us it was not needed. A lot of Alty fans are Reds as well and we need United and City fans when we have a cup game. I stupidly thought that maybe you look on us in a patronising way as that club down the road and come down occasionally.
Thats why we are upset.
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There has been much written about this in the last few days, but this last post by Ecky sums it all up as far as I am concerned. The only bit he forgot was the fact that supporters had given up their Saturday mornings to make the ground look neat and tidy, only for these morons to come posting their out of date stickers all over the ground.
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Totally agree, they do seem to have a lot of moronic fans, the stewards are out of their depth with this sort of fan and the FCUM match should not go ahead, the main instigators of the trouble today from what I saw were FCUM fans.
did you go tonight if yoiu did you wouldgo back on this comment well done fc united. They weren't Fc atall they were what i call United Ultras
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i would call them a little bunch of T**ts who will get their cummuppence (spelling) when they go to a proper game
so my sources tell me
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Im sat here in Barcelona as i´ve been away for two weeks, got a text message saying utd fans had been letting off smoke bombs and invading the ptich etc!!!
What on earth???? I´m well shocked, why were they kicking off against Alty for gods sake?
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Im sat here in Barcelona as i´ve been away for two weeks, got a text message saying utd fans had been letting off smoke bombs and invading the ptich etc!!!
What on earth???? I´m well shocked, why were they kicking off against Alty for gods sake?
Read this thread, its very enlightening