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76  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AGM this evening... on: November 24, 2017, 02:16:03 PM
Thank you, beaker and AFC. I will endeavour to contact the company secretary, in that case.

If this is true, we should have been making to most of Black Friday to shift them as christmas presents.

Or be pushing them going forward as excellent xmas presents.
77  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AGM this evening... on: November 23, 2017, 01:39:16 PM
I find it really sad that because Rowley refuses to step down people like Derek get dragged in for a bit of criticism.....

really does keep a toxic air around the club yet Rowley is quoted on the main site as saying "the atmosphere was now positive. Grahame thanked the attendees and spectators for their patience during last season's troubled times. "

Grahame Rowley takes the majority of the stick for our situation and rightly so, however the rest of the board can not be held blameless.

It is because of the insular way in which this club has been ran, that our board has lacked any strength, relying solely on the same people.

The club is scared of anything new. New ideas, new skills and new people.

Somebody said it is "now about skills". It has always been about skills. The Chairman has no skills whatsoever when it comes to dealing with other people,or with running a football club well.

My question sill stands, what is the purpose of appointing Derek to the board for another three years? What skill set do all of the board members bring? I think it is blatantly obvious what Mr Waterson brings (and Hashtag Alty has an interesting stat about things that have gone from "ideas" to "production" over the past few months) but it is not so easily seen across the rest of the board. That is the concern, and it is GR that should be held responsible for that, as he has allowed it to happen by not being proactive.

And that stat is that of THIRTEEN ideas properly discussed (ie. feasible with the resources, budget and time we have and clear action plan set out) with Mr Waterson (and Rob) SEVEN have been successfully implemented or will be successfully implemented. One was vetoed by a certain board member, 3 done by other clubs, and two are in the pipleline

Actioned/Being actioned since July.

  • Launching a Spotify alongside a musical partner
  • WhatsApp
  • Football Manager Manager

  • Our own Fantasy Football game
  • Downloadable Calandar
  • Webesite update
  • Crowdfunding


Ideas not done

  • Metrolink Fixture list - Metrolink wouldnt do it unfortunately

An additional 3 ideas were implemented by other clubs/businesses, and one was voet'd by the club, two are in the pipeline.


Very impressive.

I think for some other board members the fact you dedicate your time as a volunteer and being a huge fan seems to be enough.

Whilst it should be rewarded I do think what we really need is someone who is a bit more disruptive and willing to look at a new vision for the club. There's very little that distinguishes us from any other non-league club in the north west and given the local competition we need to do better.


I could not agree more.
78  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AGM this evening... on: November 23, 2017, 12:13:58 PM
I find it really sad that because Rowley refuses to step down people like Derek get dragged in for a bit of criticism.....

really does keep a toxic air around the club yet Rowley is quoted on the main site as saying "the atmosphere was now positive. Grahame thanked the attendees and spectators for their patience during last season's troubled times. "

Grahame Rowley takes the majority of the stick for our situation and rightly so, however the rest of the board can not be held blameless.

It is because of the insular way in which this club has been ran, that our board has lacked any strength, relying solely on the same people.

The club is scared of anything new. New ideas, new skills and new people.

Somebody said it is "now about skills". It has always been about skills. The Chairman has no skills whatsoever when it comes to dealing with other people,or with running a football club well.

My question sill stands, what is the purpose of appointing Derek to the board for another three years? What skill set do all of the board members bring? I think it is blatantly obvious what Mr Waterson brings (and Hashtag Alty has an interesting stat about things that have gone from "ideas" to "production" over the past few months) but it is not so easily seen across the rest of the board. That is the concern, and it is GR that should be held responsible for that, as he has allowed it to happen by not being proactive.

And that stat is that of THIRTEEN ideas properly discussed (ie. feasible with the resources, budget and time we have and clear action plan set out) with Mr Waterson (and Rob) SEVEN have been successfully implemented or will be successfully implemented. One was vetoed by a certain board member, 3 done by other clubs, and two are in the pipleline

Actioned/Being actioned since July.

  • Launching a Spotify alongside a musical partner
  • WhatsApp
  • Football Manager Manager

  • Our own Fantasy Football game
  • Downloadable Calandar
  • Webesite update
  • Crowdfunding


Ideas not done

  • Metrolink Fixture list - Metrolink wouldnt do it unfortunately

An additional 3 ideas were implemented by other clubs/businesses, and one was voet'd by the club, two are in the pipeline.
79  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AGM this evening... on: November 22, 2017, 11:51:20 AM


Its irrelevant how many shares a director owns in this discussion.

The shareholders - whoever they may be, elect the board of directors to run the club in their best interests. Thats where shareholder involvement ends.

At the AGM 16 shareholders turned up and supported the current board by re-electing Derek and electing Bill.

The board of directors then run the club/business together as they see fit - I've not seen the internal constitution of the board rules but I assume within a board meeting the directors have an equal say and vote in any decisions, possibly a casting vote from the chairman if there is a tie.

You may disagree with the shareholder's appointment of directors - but that is their choice as they own the club.

You may disagree with the directors running of the club - but again it is their remit to run the club as best they see fit and make many decisions each year to do so.


Of course, it's relevant. Without Shareholders making him a director, he could not be chairman.

Point 1. The shareholders elect a man with just 4% to the board of directors. This is done because of his Simon Richman attitude to being a director and an easy choice.
Point 2.  As the shareholders have yet to elect anyone other than Grahame who wants his job, they have essentially given him the control of the club (By appointing him head of the people "whose remit to run the club as best they see fit").

He owns run 4% but given the position, he has carved himself into (the club wouldn't run without him, they cry, his influence and therefore control is far greater than the 4% which he owns.



Its still not relevant. Shareholders every day elect directors, chairman etc who have 0% of the company - you dont need to own a company to run it - I could own 100% of Alty and elect whoever I like to run - its the shareholders free choice.

You state again " therefore control is far greater than the 4% which he owns" so the confusion continues - ownership is nothing to do with control. You cant have shareholders involved in decisions on day to day running or nothing would ever get done.



 

If you owned 100% then you would have control.

There are other parties with around 4% who have less control, due to their influence, than Grahame does.

Grahame control in day to day affairs outstrips someone who owns less than 1/20th of the business.

80  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AGM this evening... on: November 22, 2017, 11:04:52 AM


Can anyone tell me how we have allowed someone with 4% shares in the club to have so much power? To be the king maker? It's a scandal and a scandal we all allowed it to happen

We're back to that confusion between ownership and control.

Shareholders own the club.

The board of directors control and manage the club.

The shareholders elect the board of directors.
no confusion I never mentioned ownership, I said power which is control - I guess that was my point about 4% and power

You did - thats what 4% means - you own 4% of Altrincham Football Club.

My point is you could have no shares at all and still be a director with control.

Our shareholders and directors have allowed some with 4% to have far more power and control than they really should given how much he own.

Its irrelevant how many shares a director owns in this discussion.

The shareholders - whoever they may be, elect the board of directors to run the club in their best interests. Thats where shareholder involvement ends.

At the AGM 16 shareholders turned up and supported the current board by re-electing Derek and electing Bill.

The board of directors then run the club/business together as they see fit - I've not seen the internal constitution of the board rules but I assume within a board meeting the directors have an equal say and vote in any decisions, possibly a casting vote from the chairman if there is a tie.

You may disagree with the shareholder's appointment of directors - but that is their choice as they own the club.

You may disagree with the directors running of the club - but again it is their remit to run the club as best they see fit and make many decisions each year to do so.


Of course, it's relevant. Without Shareholders making him a director, he could not be chairman.

Point 1. The shareholders elect a man with just 4% to the board of directors. This is done because of his Simon Richman attitude to being a director and an easy choice.
Point 2.  As the shareholders have yet to elect anyone other than Grahame who wants his job, they have essentially given him the control of the club (By appointing him head of the people "whose remit to run the club as best they see fit").

He owns run 4% but given the position, he has carved himself into (the club wouldn't run without him, they cry, his influence and therefore control is far greater than the 4% which he owns.



81  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AGM this evening... on: November 22, 2017, 09:29:55 AM


Can anyone tell me how we have allowed someone with 4% shares in the club to have so much power? To be the king maker? It's a scandal and a scandal we all allowed it to happen

We're back to that confusion between ownership and control.

Shareholders own the club.

The board of directors control and manage the club.

The shareholders elect the board of directors.
no confusion I never mentioned ownership, I said power which is control - I guess that was my point about 4% and power

You did - thats what 4% means - you own 4% of Altrincham Football Club.

My point is you could have no shares at all and still be a director with control.

Our shareholders and directors have allowed some with 4% to have far more power and control than they really should given how much he own.
82  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AGM this evening... on: November 21, 2017, 07:55:48 AM
The AGM was done in 13 minutes.

That's an utter shambles
83  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / AGM this evening... on: November 20, 2017, 08:33:41 PM
Any updates or revelations ?
84  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Sutton Coldfield Match Thread on: November 20, 2017, 07:49:27 PM
I saw about 10 people just walk through the gates. Would have put the crowd closer to 400. Not surprised if only 269 paid, including all Alty fans credit where itís due

They may have been season ticket holders. There was a group of them ahead of me who walked through the half-open gate rather than the turnstile as apparently that's how it's done at Sutton C.

Mr A Flynn used that gate as it was also used by press or people who pretend to be press for free entry Wink
85  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Skelmersdale on: November 16, 2017, 08:48:33 PM
Been locked out of their ground by a seemingly git of a developer landlord....say they need 10k to get through groundsharing and moving costs before moving back to skem in future.

Should the club/fans organise a bucket collection...invite skem fans to do one or leave it for individual fans to donate to their crowdfunding if they see fit?

I'd say leave it to individual fans. If it were Trafford, I'd say perhaps we could or should do something
86  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Sutton Coldfield Match Thread on: November 16, 2017, 01:25:47 PM
Top vs Bottom, 1 point in their last 8 games.

Sutton 1-0 Altrincham

See you all there
87  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Chester Match Thread on: November 14, 2017, 10:52:45 PM
Incident packed game where a team of 10 players outfought a team from 2 leagues higher, missed two sitters, had a good goal disallowed, missed a penalty, re-took th lead in ET and Chester equalised in the 122nd minute.
Went to pens where we won 7-6 I think. phew I need a rest.
The young lads and one or two senior players did well again and this team just doesnt know how to lose !

Except against Shildon
88  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Chester Match Thread on: November 14, 2017, 10:46:01 PM
A victory on penalties takes our unbeaten home record to 14, consisting of 13 wins and 1 draw.

Our over all record at home under Parkinson is W13, D1, L1.

Wish we could show this form away from home.
89  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Chester Match Thread on: November 13, 2017, 09:09:27 PM
Hope we rest as many as possible tomorrow. Hope to see Deasy, Callum Jones, Davis, Peers and Amiss get a good run out. And Miller if he can play.

How much is it in?

£7 £5 £1
90  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Ramsbottom Match Thread on: November 11, 2017, 08:13:04 PM
Looking forward to a decent game tomorrow if we (The Rams) perform to our capabilities- our away form to date (drawn three lost the rest) does not bode well. We will only bring 50/75 at max with an average age of 40 plus. There will be no need for any segregation as we are a very friendly jovial set of fans. May the best team win, looking forward to sharing a drink with you Tomorrow- if you see the drum please confiscate it.
Its nothing personal, Scout. I'm sure Rammy fans are a friendly bunch, as are we, but too many times in recent years we've surrendered our home advantage by allowing vocal fans access to the Golf Road End. Before and after the game you won't find a more accommodating club than us, but as far as the ninety minutes go, we need to be a bit more serious. There are similarities to Altrincham v Witton, FA Cup 2QR in 2011, here.
Glad you agree about the drum!
At risk of being shouted down from all quarters - once I've paid my money to come into the ground, as things currently are, I expect to be allowed to stand or sit wherever I wish and to move about freely if I so desire. Further, those who advocate segregation have to accept that there's a quid pro quo about this - i.e. they must expect their access to away grounds to be similarly limited. I for one am not prepared to be thus restricted. I look forward to a good game & to perhaps meeting some new people; let those who wish to have a drink before or after the game (of whom I'm not one) do so in peace, and let everyone support their own team - though I do agree that drums should be sent back wherever they came from! 


If you want to meet more people, download tinder.

What's wrong with just talking to people that you meet at a football match? Not everything has to be done online!

If youre coming to Alty games to "meet people", there's plenty of online and offline places to do it. "To let people meet away fans should never be a reason not to segregrate a game
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