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1  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Quick Promotion Question on: Yesterday at 07:42:20 PM
The facts are we won the league with a largely new side losing 7 games, 3 of which were in the first 8 of the season. We went top on 14 October and have stayed there, being frontrunners for that long is a serious achievement in itself. We've every chance of winning the title by a double point margin scoring 100 goals and barring miracles will finish top scorers and having the best defence. We've clearly got the best squad, as others faltered in the closing weeks of the season when it matters, we pulled away.  I don't know whether we have the biggest budget, it's certainly one of the biggest, but as last season demonstrated that's not guarantee of success on the field. Above all else PP and NS deserve everyone's backing next season, where we need to re-establish ourselves in the Conf North and can look at the top half of the table first on a Sunday morning.
2  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: winning this league on: April 16, 2018, 05:09:02 PM
I think it's fair to say the club's gate income will have been seriously hit by two major factors, the reduction in admission prices and the complete lack of opposition supporters. As Mike 's stats illustrate this would've been mitigated a bit by the return of those choosing not to come to home games. If we finish with an average of 750 this year and have a moderate Conf N next I'd be very surprised if we weren't averaging a 1000+ given we'll have FC Utd, York, Southport, and maybe County.

We know from the fan's forum and Shareholders meetings I've attended gate receipts account for about a third of our income. I'd agree with the points Ecky makes that it's the loss of  'supporters over spectators' that's more keenly felt. The sooner we find a way for that to be resolved the better.
3  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Jordan Hulme article [Non League Daily] on: April 11, 2018, 07:52:14 PM
just the sort of thing that this forum should be focusing on

As opposers to?

Let’s not make this a thread about other things, alright?

I think it ties a few threads together actually. Jordan comes across as an ambitious player, keen to further his career up the leagues, as are more than a few of his team mates and for that matter the management.  Long may they do so here at Alty.
4  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Tonight's Games on: April 11, 2018, 03:35:46 PM
Good night

Lancaster keeper was young fella who had a storma for Abbey Hey at Moss Lane in the FAC - looks like he kept em out

Also think Barrows win tonight relegated Chester ?

Chester were relegated on saturday, Barrow might yet escape?

Cheers - realised soon after I posted - Chester could not catch Woking before tonight's game

200 at Warrington tonight - Rugby League town

But, let alone Warrington Town, Rylands were talking about their EFL ambitions this week in the Non-League Paper. Some people are delusional, though, pretty clearly.

Anyway, excellent results for us once more with Ashton United starting to look like the team who might hit the playoffs in good form.

Whilst broadly agreeing, let's not forget that many of us mocked Boreham Wood when they went full time, and they're now looking at National League play offs.  And when Accrington bloody Stanley got out of NWCL1 in 86/7, who saw THEM looking at the third tier next season ? We're in the gutter now, and we SHOULD be staring at the stars, then aiming for them. No ambition, no progress.

AFC Fylde have had 2022 on their shirts for more than a decade now as their target date to enter the Football League, which seemed like a long time  then, but after steady planned progress and a lot of money, does seem all too possible now. I contrast that to Rylands who have apparently been turned down by the NWCL, and are in the bottom half of the Cheshire League Prem, but are still talking about the Football League!

I've said it before and I'll say it again: as a business- any kind of business- you have to have a long-term (5+years) vision. Once you have a vision, you then put in place a plan (year-by-year) to allow you to achieve that vision. And once you have the plan, only then can you direct resources (both human and/or technical) to make that plan happen.

Unless the board can come up with a strategic review that leads to an ultimate vision for the Club, we're simply treading water.

Let's have the vision. Let's have the goal (pardon the pun). And let's get the entire Club: the board, the management, the supporters working together towards one common goal.

...and if that vision isn't the Football League then we might as well pack it in.

Lawrence Looney's comments at the recent forum thingy were interesting in that he said the 5 (now 4) year review wasn't accompanied by a plan and it was his job to assemble one and more importantly set out means by which it can be delivered. York City's chairman has just resigned revealing their required income which could also reasonably sustain Conf National football with all the assoc staff costs etc is over £1m pa - twice that of ours. A FL club, presumably a number of 100s of thousands more. In the absence of a credible bidder for the 51% shares such as Macc's Mr Alkadhi (currently owed £1.2m and counting) we're going to have to at least double our income. It's a big challenge that's for sure and that's why we need new blood and new ideas on the Board. 
5  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Stourbridge - Match Thread on: April 10, 2018, 07:16:43 PM
Good to hear Andy whites injury wasn’t as bad as first feared, still sounds painful though. Ice bath and a swim Thursday for training by the sounds of things

It's actually not that bad. My friend hit me in the face with a squash racket and split my eyelid.

Once's it's patched up it's fine, and it heals quite quickly. If you pinch your eyelid you'll notice it's not very painful.

Ah many thanks for the info! And for providing the winner of the 20017/18 most middle class post of the year 😀

There's a few weeks left yet, I've every faith Jimmy can top it.
6  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Match OFF on: April 05, 2018, 04:15:08 PM
Failing to Fulfil a Fixture, General FA Rule 8.6 applies as the NPL did to Ilkeston a couple of seasons back:-

8.6 Any Club without just cause failing to fulfil an engagement to play a Competition match on
the appointed date shall for each offence be liable to expulsion from the Competition and/
or such other disciplinary action the Board may determine, including the deduction of up to
a maximum of three points from the offending Club’s record
, any expenses incurred by their
opponents, and a fine.

In the event of a Club being in breach of the previous paragraph of this Rule then the Board
may award points to the Club not at fault
as if the match had been played and the League
table shall reflect the position as if the match had been played with the result awarded by
the Board.

In short, the NPL Board has the ability to deduct or award 3 points as it sees fit.

"Without due cause" are the key words. Is the horrendous weather "due cause" ?

With the plethora of available alternatives outlined above, no.
7  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Match OFF on: April 05, 2018, 02:49:16 PM
Failing to Fulfil a Fixture, General FA Rule 8.6 applies as the NPL did to Ilkeston a couple of seasons back:-

8.6 Any Club without just cause failing to fulfil an engagement to play a Competition match on
the appointed date shall for each offence be liable to expulsion from the Competition and/
or such other disciplinary action the Board may determine, including the deduction of up to
a maximum of three points from the offending Club’s record
, any expenses incurred by their
opponents, and a fine.

In the event of a Club being in breach of the previous paragraph of this Rule then the Board
may award points to the Club not at fault
as if the match had been played and the League
table shall reflect the position as if the match had been played with the result awarded by
the Board.

In short, the NPL Board has the ability to deduct or award 3 points as it sees fit.
8  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Match OFF on: April 05, 2018, 12:46:52 PM
What, theoretically, would happen if they got to 28th April and still had outstanding fixtures? Would they forfeit the games due to failing to fulfil them or would the league simply be forced to extend their season? There must be a procedure when something like this happens?

Perhaps, as some others have suggested, the home fixtures they have outstanding should be switched and played at the ground of the "visiting" team?


In my view it would be a simple failure to fulfil their fixtures. There are the alternatives available which we've suggested on here that other clubs have used in the past. So far, Shaw Lane are choosing not to use them. Why should the League extend the season? By default Shaw Lane gave them assurances their ground sharing arrangements were robust enough to enable them to complete the season.
9  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Match OFF on: April 05, 2018, 12:25:11 PM
It's not up to the League. It's Shaw Lane's responsibility to be in a position to stage the fixtures, it's why there are qualifying membership criteria. If they are unwilling or unable to make suitable alternative arrangements they forfeit the points, just like a Sunday League side.
10  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Shaw Lane AQUAFORCE - Match thread on: April 05, 2018, 01:17:08 AM
I get bad weather etc etc but after tomorrow is seemingly inevitably postponed then Shaw Lane have a quarter of their remaining home fixtures to fit in, in the last 20 days of the scheduled season which is plainly ridiculous by any standards. How the League have not stepped in and ordered them to find an alternative venue by now is baffling.

In the absence of the League extending the season, which is unlikely, they'd be advised to offer switching the games to their opponent's grounds. It's not as if they play at home as it is.
11  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Shaw Lane: Match Thread on: March 26, 2018, 05:45:25 PM
They are offering their fans free bus travel on twitter

They often do so. It's actually free seats on the team coach. Their home gate on Saturday was 172 including a few from Nantwich. Ecky has told them they can't bring their drum.
12  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: This Forum on: March 23, 2018, 12:54:27 AM
I’ll chip in too.
13  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Mickleover- Match Thread on: March 22, 2018, 12:36:28 AM
We need somebody who can cross a ball from a set piece. All those corners we had last night were wasted mainly due to poorly taken free kicks. It a basic ability of being a footballer ffs

In complete agreement. Hancock should take corners.

Bloody hell, is Hancock paying you? You're slagging James Poole off at every opportunity and yet appear to have Hancock on a par with Messi. Most people I see at the games have Hancock down as being mostly anonymous and I would say he has gone off the boil more than most.

Sadly have to agree with this on Josh Hancock, although he looked more like himself 2nd half on Tuesday. Would still like to see Poole alongside / closer to Hulme with maybe Harrop instead of Hancock?
14  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Mickleover- Match Thread on: March 21, 2018, 01:09:03 AM
Pretty much followed the same pattern of the previous 2 home games, decent start, failing to convert a few half chances then conceding a sloppy goal. The positives as Cooker says is that we battled well for a point, stopped the rot and with a decent bounce of the ball would've won. We need to get our noses in front in a game and hopefully the confidence will come back - it's clear that's taken a big knock.
15  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Stay away fans and atmosphere on: March 16, 2018, 11:23:47 AM
It really does depend on what your aspirations are Matt. Ultimately you are looking at winning the Premiership. I'll be long gone before then. I'm not interested in watching a bunch of players trying to con a referee. I'm much happier watching honest endeavour in non-league football  trying to win a match.

I do go and watch professional football from time to time and find myself laughing at the players antics. I think I am embarrased for them.

I think you are clouding the issue slightly by taking it to extremes. I don’t want us to be Manchester City. I do want us to be Sutton United, Borehamwood, Dover, Flyde, Ebbsfleet, Bromley, Gateshead, Maidenhead, Eastleigh...etc etc.

But the reality is that we are not going to achieve that by continuing to run the club like a fiefdom, while trying to compete on raffle tickets and fundraisers. Nor by appointing board members based on who folds away the most tables in the community hall.

Just because you (and plenty of others) have ‘seen it all’ in your younger days and mentally retired from wanting success, it doesn’t mean we should drain all ambition out of the football club for the next generation.



For context, my local club York City, remained full time having suffered two successive relegations. Currently in the CN play off positions their annual operating budget is c£1m, roughly twice that of ours and like Harrogate rely on their chairman to act as benefactor to make up a significant shortfall. In York's case this is c£250k pa, Harrogate's is much, much larger. I think we can ignore Salford. For us to progress into the Conference National we need to be looking at doubling our income. How this can / could be achieved needs to be explored exhaustively and with an open mind. This is the Board's principle job as far as I'm concerned. Having been at Bromley, Maidenhead and Sutton United all of whom are good models of community clubs, no-one can tell me we shouldn't be targeting a return to the league they currently play in. 
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