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1  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Ejected from the ground on: January 01, 2018, 07:48:36 PM
Im sure he was banned several years ago for a racial abuse incident - I wouldnt expect that ban to ever be changed hence is still in force ?


Altrincham FC
25 March 2012 ·
Altrincham FC chairman Grahame Rowley has issued the following statement regarding the incident at yesterday's game:

"Following the behaviour of one of our supporters, Dennis Birch, during the game this afternoon, the Board have decided to ban Mr Birch from Moss Lane. His behaviour is unacceptable to the club.

I have apologised on behalf of the Football Club to the player involved, his manager and the Chairman of Solihull Moors. They have accepted the apology and, as far as both clubs are concerned, this is an end to the matter. As stated recently in the matchday programme, racial abuse will not be tolerated at Altrincham Football Club".
2  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Ejected from the ground on: January 01, 2018, 07:46:58 PM
Im sure he was banned several years ago for a racial abuse incident - I wouldnt expect that ban to ever be changed hence is still in force ?
3  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AGM this evening... on: November 23, 2017, 09:37:31 PM

Ok, thanks. I’ll take that as a possibly, then. I would think the 51% will go to one purchaser. Hope so anyhow. Any more fragmentation will just make it more unwieldy and unmanageable. Please think of me when/if you decide to sell, my request is genuine.

Atticus - I believe there are still shares available to purchase outside of the 51% from the club if you'd like to purchase.
4  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AGM this evening... on: November 22, 2017, 02:04:14 PM


If you owned 100% then you would have control.



Yes, but I could elect directors to run it and control it day to day on my behalf.
5  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AGM this evening... on: November 22, 2017, 11:17:29 AM


Its irrelevant how many shares a director owns in this discussion.

The shareholders - whoever they may be, elect the board of directors to run the club in their best interests. Thats where shareholder involvement ends.

At the AGM 16 shareholders turned up and supported the current board by re-electing Derek and electing Bill.

The board of directors then run the club/business together as they see fit - I've not seen the internal constitution of the board rules but I assume within a board meeting the directors have an equal say and vote in any decisions, possibly a casting vote from the chairman if there is a tie.

You may disagree with the shareholder's appointment of directors - but that is their choice as they own the club.

You may disagree with the directors running of the club - but again it is their remit to run the club as best they see fit and make many decisions each year to do so.


Of course, it's relevant. Without Shareholders making him a director, he could not be chairman.

Point 1. The shareholders elect a man with just 4% to the board of directors. This is done because of his Simon Richman attitude to being a director and an easy choice.
Point 2.  As the shareholders have yet to elect anyone other than Grahame who wants his job, they have essentially given him the control of the club (By appointing him head of the people "whose remit to run the club as best they see fit").

He owns run 4% but given the position, he has carved himself into (the club wouldn't run without him, they cry, his influence and therefore control is far greater than the 4% which he owns.



Its still not relevant. Shareholders every day elect directors, chairman etc who have 0% of the company - you dont need to own a company to run it - I could own 100% of Alty and elect whoever I like to run - its the shareholders free choice.

You state again " therefore control is far greater than the 4% which he owns" so the confusion continues - ownership is nothing to do with control. You cant have shareholders involved in decisions on day to day running or nothing would ever get done.



 
6  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AGM this evening... on: November 22, 2017, 10:27:00 AM


Can anyone tell me how we have allowed someone with 4% shares in the club to have so much power? To be the king maker? It's a scandal and a scandal we all allowed it to happen

We're back to that confusion between ownership and control.

Shareholders own the club.

The board of directors control and manage the club.

The shareholders elect the board of directors.
no confusion I never mentioned ownership, I said power which is control - I guess that was my point about 4% and power

You did - thats what 4% means - you own 4% of Altrincham Football Club.

My point is you could have no shares at all and still be a director with control.

Our shareholders and directors have allowed some with 4% to have far more power and control than they really should given how much he own.

Its irrelevant how many shares a director owns in this discussion.

The shareholders - whoever they may be, elect the board of directors to run the club in their best interests. Thats where shareholder involvement ends.

At the AGM 16 shareholders turned up and supported the current board by re-electing Derek and electing Bill.

The board of directors then run the club/business together as they see fit - I've not seen the internal constitution of the board rules but I assume within a board meeting the directors have an equal say and vote in any decisions, possibly a casting vote from the chairman if there is a tie.

You may disagree with the shareholders appointment of directors - but that is their choice as they own the club.

You may disagree with the directors running of the club - but again it is their remit to run the club as best they see fit and make many decisions each year to do so.


7  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AGM this evening... on: November 22, 2017, 09:03:25 AM


Can anyone tell me how we have allowed someone with 4% shares in the club to have so much power? To be the king maker? It's a scandal and a scandal we all allowed it to happen

We're back to that confusion between ownership and control.

Shareholders own the club.

The board of directors control and manage the club.

The shareholders elect the board of directors.
no confusion I never mentioned ownership, I said power which is control - I guess that was my point about 4% and power

You did - thats what 4% means - you own 4% of Altrincham Football Club.

My point is you could have no shares at all and still be a director with control.
8  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AGM this evening... on: November 21, 2017, 02:17:56 PM


Can anyone tell me how we have allowed someone with 4% shares in the club to have so much power? To be the king maker? It's a scandal and a scandal we all allowed it to happen

We're back to that confusion between ownership and control.

Shareholders own the club.

The board of directors control and manage the club.

The shareholders elect the board of directors.
9  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Alfreton Town away in Trophy on: November 13, 2017, 08:28:01 PM
Someone mentioned odds of 100-1 on Alty to win the Trophy - which bookies has this - all I can find is Betvictor and they only have odds on the teams from the national leagues?
10  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Interview on: October 12, 2017, 09:24:01 PM
Is it only me that finds the League’s stated policy of playing your furthest away games midweek a bit odd in an entirely part time league? Workington and Whitby away on a Tuesday night you need an understanding boss, basically knocking off at lunch.

Stated policy? Does it say this somewhere? If so how bizarre it makes no logical sense apart from tenuously accepting small gates for longer trips and better ones for shorter weekend trips. Don't get it, not good for players or fans.


From our website in august news

EVOSTIK FIXTURE POLICY

When the 2017-18 fixture list dealt Altrincham many Saturday 3pm kick-offs against local teams such as Ashton United, Stalybridge Celtic and Warrington Town, but Tuesday 7.45pm kick-offs at their two furthest opponents, Workington (294 miles return) and Whitby (268 miles return), many supporters were baffled. However, it now emerges that short-distance 3pm matches and lengthy midweek journeys are actually the policy of the EvoStik League. Writing in the Albion Review, Witton Albion (and Evostik League) chairman Mark Harris confirms the League's views on assigning fixtures.
Following Albion's own midweek game at Workington last week, Mark wrote that "I was recently asked why long-distance fixtures are played midweek. The answer is simple; to play them at weekends would mean the more local derby fixtures being played midweek instead.

"For most, if not all clubs, it is the local games that generate the most income so, coupled with the motorway traffic nightmares so often encountered at weekends, that's why it makes more sense to prioritise the local games. Of course, I'd rather take a trip like the one to Workington early in the season rather than on a freezing cold Tuesday in January!"
11  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Interview on: October 12, 2017, 08:44:41 PM
Is it only me that finds the League’s stated policy of playing your furthest away games midweek a bit odd in an entirely part time league? Workington and Whitby away on a Tuesday night you need an understanding boss, basically knocking off at lunch.

The explanation of why they do it made good sense - to save your local closer games for a Saturday when you've more chance of a good crowd both home and away.
12  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Playing shirt initiative on: October 06, 2017, 11:54:38 AM
Hi Ian - what colour/style are the goalie kits ?
13  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: "No more infighting" says Grahame on: October 05, 2017, 10:43:06 AM
I love the fact that an article titled 'No More Infighting' has led to even more Forum infighting. To that end he has failed already.
Spot on, divide and conquer has always been his ploy. I just don't understand why more of us can't see when we're being played

Regarding the timing, if due diligence is ongoing as we have been led to believe then these comments can only be intended to scupper any deal. Sending a clear message to potential investors that he isn't going anywhere. Again surprised more of us can't see that

If a new investor has 51% it really doesnt matter what anyone else wants - they can put whoever they choose into any position.

14  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Free drink tokens at tomorrow night's match on: October 03, 2017, 09:11:10 AM
Is the free drink voucher for the bar only, snack bar only or either and any other restrictions ?
15  General Category / Altrincham FC First Team / Re: New Ground - Wythenshawe Amateurs on: September 27, 2017, 09:10:39 AM
My sons U9 junior team played on the park pitches at Hollyhedge Park 2 weeks ago vs Wythenshaw Amatuers and I must say the standard of those pitches was superb - a credit to all involved there.
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