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injuries to key players

summer recruitment

lack of a leader on the pitch

refs / unlucky

LS tactics / team selection

not getting loan players n early enough

the board appointing NT

[brian1925]

I wasn't going to post but how does anyone think we can bring someone in that quickly at this stage of the season whether it is desirable or not?

There were more than 10 enquiries when Lee left, though the post was not advertised!!!

[Jezza]

I've gone for LS tactics poor team selection......in that his summer recruitment was abysmal and he acted too late to bring in the loan players and resigned so late I'm left thinking of him as a stubborn bloke who confidently steered the ship toward the iceberg, convinced everyone he knew what he was doing and then jumped ship in the only lifeboat.

[taxi Phil]

Since Tolson took charge, we've had the repeated mantra that we played OK except for the few seconds the error(s) that cost us the game were made. So the defence is to blame for our plight.

Very simplistic....and incorrect in my opinion.

It isn't the mistakes we make and are punished for.....it's the mistakes our opponents make on which we fail to capitalise. Our goals for column bears this out.  And it's not just the strikers. Midfield haven't chipped in with enough goals this season.

[AltyTunnelSteward]

I have read some of the recent posts on this forum with absolute disbelief and am now SO Angry, confused and frustrated that I have had, once again to break my self imposed exile.

I have questions to which I would be very interested to hear various correspondent's answers.

Firstly, specifically to Jimmy - Why do you think that the CSH is twice the size it needs to be?

Secondly, For anyone really - Let us say that you are in charge now, The Board have gone, as some would wish and it's down to you, You have a clean slate - Nobody is still there, no Directors, No volunteers, No groundsman, No Players or Management:-

What would you do?

How would you fund it?


I have more but would love first to see what responses I get to the above.

Clearly from the recent traffic on here a number of you could do a much better job, let's hear the responses. And, if any of you have such brilliant, practical notions, then why haven't you shared them with "The Club"?

[Jimmy]

We are all still waiting for your answer on what qualications and what justified Tolson getting the job,as for the size of the bar it's self explanatory and could've been built for a fraction of the cost.

[bumble]

I have read some of the recent posts on this forum with absolute disbelief and am now SO Angry, confused and frustrated that I have had, once again to break my self imposed exile.

I have questions to which I would be very interested to hear various correspondent's answers.

Firstly, specifically to Jimmy - Why do you think that the CSH is twice the size it needs to be?

Secondly, For anyone really - Let us say that you are in charge now, The Board have gone, as some would wish and it's down to you, You have a clean slate - Nobody is still there, no Directors, No volunteers, No groundsman, No Players or Management:-

What would you do?

How would you fund it?


I have more but would love first to see what responses I get to the above.

Clearly from the recent traffic on here a number of you could do a much better job, let's hear the responses. And, if any of you have such brilliant, practical notions, then why haven't you shared them with "The Club"?

Right I'll bite ats.

I do think our board do a lot right. But they've got this whole tolson thing wrong. That doesn't mean they get evrytgin wrong. But here my answer to your sensationalist quesions .

I'd probably fund them through similar ways to how we fund them now. Unless graham and the rest of the board are putting in piles of money that we dont know about. Gate money fundraisers etc.

My first act as chaimain would be take a leaf out thatchers book. Find experts for the areas of expertise I lack.

'd approach one of communications company to partner with us - like Manchester jazz festival - pro bono. And see if any of them can put together an investment guide together to bring in further investment.

Mjf worked with my last company to produce the same thing to approach corperate partners and reduce their relliance on central funding.

Fcum got c21 from Alty to do one for them

I'd fill volunteer gaps such as with students from various universities and colleges utilising our community charity status. The schools and universities gain a new partner we get man hours.

I'd be shocked if all our volunteers left but this is ATS doomsday.

Id reform! Tasc and make it more modern and relevant. We've a giant CSH - And they have a tatty table I'm the corner.

I'd them set about trying to get a member of tasc sat on the board.

Tasc would serve as a way for fans to get the fundraising events going more easily and I'd build the fans

But most importantly, I'd build on what the club do well and improve what they dont.

And that would start improving relations between fans and board which this event has severely damaged

[TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe]

I have read some of the recent posts on this forum with absolute disbelief and am now SO Angry, confused and frustrated that I have had, once again to break my self imposed exile.

You've had more comebacks than Frank Sinatra!

[shelmers]

Of course the CSH is too big for us! Never actually seen it packed before a game? Doesn't need to be that big! Half the size would have been fine!

[arnald]

It wasn't ment to be just a barr

[Jimmy]

I know that Daz still doesn't have to be the size of. Ceasers palace

[arnald]

You may have something  there Jim ! a casino ! 

[Bob]

I think the flak the CSH is getting on here is unfair. It was never going to be just a bigger version of the old bar and in fact it's use on matchdays is just a fraction of what is can be used for. It was correct to build it and I applaud the community work the club is doing.

I think a lot of people at this club from the chairman downwards do a hell of a lot of hard work with nothing but the best intentions and, amid the depressing stuff there is still a lot of good going on. They deserve our thanks for that.

However, one or two things have left a very sour taste in my mouth. Sinnott going (and he is to blame in part for the struggles this year) gave us a great opportunity to grasp the nettle and move forward. It was instead very badly handled and badly explained.  That for me is the main reason ultimately why we are going down and it frustrates me as it was easily avoidable.

[wayno]

I think the flak the CSH is getting on here is unfair. It was never going to be just a bigger version of the old bar and in fact it's use on matchdays is just a fraction of what is can be used for. It was correct to build it and I applaud the community work the club is doing.

I think a lot of people at this club from the chairman downwards do a hell of a lot of hard work with nothing but the best intentions and, amid the depressing stuff there is still a lot of good going on. They deserve our thanks for that.

However, one or two things have left a very sour taste in my mouth. Sinnott going (and he is to blame in part for the struggles this year) gave us a great opportunity to grasp the nettle and move forward. It was instead very badly handled and badly explained.  That for me is the main reason ultimately why we are going down and it frustrates me as it was easily avoidable.

totally agree i have spoken to numerous friends who attend games more regularly than they used to as they have a nice place to sit down and eat have a drink and chat pre during and post the match

We also now get more people using this area for numerous activites than the old bar could ever dream of

Agree with the rest of your post as well

[Paul Cain's Chip Pan]

On the subject of liaison between board and fans, didn't we used to have a fans representative who sat in on certain board "activities" and kind of "bridged the gap" a bit? Is this something we could look at again?

I think the majority of the time the issue that occurs is misinformation which arises as a consequence of a perceived lack of clarity of information being fed down to fans. This in turn breeds a lot of unwarranted mistrust because people jump to the wrong conclusions.

[bumble]

We've also got to stop the gripe if lack of volunteers.

If somebody suggests a good idea or something another club does the first response is either budget or lack of bvolunteers

This stops ideas beunhg put forward.

Instead let's welcome these ideas and work out waysnto help the suggester or others tontake it from and idea to reality.

Secondly a friend of mine runs an event called beers and ideas. People with skills or looking for new projects attend to be inspired and join with somebody who has an idea yet may lack a key skill.

Tasc should run one during the off season.