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Re: He is getting it so wrong
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2022, 02:06:19 PM »

Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman


It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

Don't agree with this I'm afraid.

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Some of our best additions don't fit your criteria.

Sure there was an influx from his Nantwich squad in 2017/18, but why wouldn't there have been? It worked out pretty well. We added a couple more over time but again, why wouldn't a manager bring in a player he knows, if he thinks he's up to the task? At the end of the day it's gotten us to where we are and for that reason we shouldn't have anything but praise for the approach.

That said, it does seem that we are at a bit of a recruitment crossroads now - but the addition of Marriott is a good indication of what we're probably looking to do long term.

I was actually talking about this season though, hence all the players I mentioned. His recruitment had been first class up until promotion, but I feel after eighteen months at this level we’re no closer to having a different recruitment strategy.

Yes managers will always have players that have done well for them elsewhere and yes they’ll have players who follow them from club to club but ultimately, if he continues with players he knows, that well will soon run dry.

And let’s be right here, he got the cast offs from Salford when they went full time, the likes of Jordan, Poolie and JJ all came together as mates.

PP is a bonafide legend, the football we’ve played over the last five years has been brilliant to watch, but it’s the here and now that I’m bothered about.

There’s always a reason, and for me, that’s the recruitment that has been wrong over the last two seasons.
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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2022, 04:43:47 PM »

For me I'm just nervous.  In my opinion we have been given such a fantastic chance to establish ourselves and stay in this league or better for years to come.  If we were to just scuff the odd point here or there we could find ourselves in a relegation battle.  If we went down I think it would be years before we returned.  Chorley, brackley, fylde, chester, kidderminster.  The league below has plenty of quality or potential quality teams.  Perhaps it was injuries or bad luck but it just didnt look right straight away last night, and it didnt look like getting any better.  I could not see us getting back into the game, was praying just to be 1 down by half time to change it, when the 2nd went in, it was game over
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Re: He is getting it so wrong
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2022, 05:10:00 PM »

Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman

It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

I shouldn’t think PP come anywhere near this forum. Good times or Bad

He definitely does.

Well, he won’t be best pleased with my write-up 😁
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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2022, 07:07:52 PM »

Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman

It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

I shouldn’t think PP come anywhere near this forum. Good times or Bad

He definitely does.

I seem to remember catching Graham Heathcote scanning the forum once so I wouldn't be surprised.
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Re: He is getting it so wrong
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2022, 07:35:05 PM »

Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman

It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

I shouldn’t think PP come anywhere near this forum. Good times or Bad

He definitely does.

I seem to remember catching Graham Heathcote scanning the forum once so I wouldn't be surprised.



All managers profess that they never read fan forums but we all know that they actually do.

It's like actors who claim that they never read their own reviews.
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Re: He is getting it so wrong
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2022, 07:41:45 PM »


I'm sorry but I'm also in the somewhat negative camp with Digie. For me, I fear 'he was decent' is just any game he won't be making a grave error which he always looks moments away from doing - maybe I'm being harsh.

I haven't taken a look at our record with him in the side, but I doubt it'll make for pleasant reading; "all arms and legs" makes everyone else around him nervous, technically he's not a very good footballer - and at NL level the game has moved beyond simply getting your head and foot in - look at the likes of Steve McNulty, for his portly size he was also decent with the ball at his feet.



Spot on with that assessment.

At present, Digie reminds me of John Cyrus: occasional flashes of ability but you just know that a costly blunder is merely an instant away - as demonstrated by his slapdash pass last evening which paved the way for the penalty that led to County's third goal.
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"It was just two world class players going for a 50/50 ball."

John King's description of a crunching tackle on Ossie Ardiles in the FA Cup Third Round tie at White Hart Lane: 10th January 1979.

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« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2022, 07:59:18 PM »


For me I'm just nervous.  In my opinion we have been given such a fantastic chance to establish ourselves and stay in this league or better for years to come.  If we were to just scuff the odd point here or there we could find ourselves in a relegation battle.  If we went down I think it would be years before we returned.  Chorley, brackley, fylde, chester, kidderminster.  The league below has plenty of quality or potential quality teams.  Perhaps it was injuries or bad luck but it just didnt look right straight away last night, and it didnt look like getting any better.  I could not see us getting back into the game, was praying just to be 1 down by half time to change it, when the 2nd went in, it was game over



We've not won a home game since 9th October and have contrived to lose seven of our eight fixtures at the J Davidson Stadium in all competitions since then, so I understand why your nerves are jangling.

However, notwithstanding our current abject sequence of results, I still think that we will be OK, largely down to the deficiencies of both Weymouth and King's Lynn.

Mind you, if Weymouth's new manager duly sparks a revival in their fortunes and we suffer a defeat in Norfolk on 25th January, I may have to resort to increased levels of therapy or attending a BYOB party in Downing Street.

   
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« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2022, 08:06:31 PM »

For me I'm just nervous.  In my opinion we have been given such a fantastic chance to establish ourselves and stay in this league or better for years to come.  If we were to just scuff the odd point here or there we could find ourselves in a relegation battle.  If we went down I think it would be years before we returned.  Chorley, brackley, fylde, chester, kidderminster.  The league below has plenty of quality or potential quality teams.  Perhaps it was injuries or bad luck but it just didnt look right straight away last night, and it didnt look like getting any better.  I could not see us getting back into the game, was praying just to be 1 down by half time to change it, when the 2nd went in, it was game over

This absolutely. The Conference North is such a hard league to get out of now, and it undoubtedly would be a complete disaster for our plans off the pitch if we went down. Parky is still the man for me to turn it round but we simply must start winning games this month. We can’t rely for the rest of the season on Weymouth & Kings Lynn losing every week.
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« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2022, 08:08:03 PM »


For me I'm just nervous.  In my opinion we have been given such a fantastic chance to establish ourselves and stay in this league or better for years to come.  If we were to just scuff the odd point here or there we could find ourselves in a relegation battle.  If we went down I think it would be years before we returned.  Chorley, brackley, fylde, chester, kidderminster.  The league below has plenty of quality or potential quality teams.  Perhaps it was injuries or bad luck but it just didnt look right straight away last night, and it didnt look like getting any better.  I could not see us getting back into the game, was praying just to be 1 down by half time to change it, when the 2nd went in, it was game over



We've not won a home game since 9th October and have contrived to lose seven of our eight fixtures at the J Davidson Stadium in all competitions since then, so I understand why your nerves are jangling.

However, notwithstanding our current abject sequence of results, I still think that we will be OK, largely down to the deficiencies of both Weymouth and King's Lynn.

Mind you, if Weymouth's new manager duly sparks a revival in their fortunes and we suffer a defeat in Norfolk on 25th January, I may have to resort to increased levels of therapy or attending a BYOB party in Downing Street.

   

You are not a big enough Buffoon to get an invite off Boris, Cult 😉
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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2022, 08:47:39 PM »

Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman

It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

I shouldn’t think PP come anywhere near this forum. Good times or Bad

He definitely does.

I seem to remember catching Graham Heathcote scanning the forum once so I wouldn't be surprised.

Been a few comments by a few certain posters directly. Mentioned in interviews, so.hes definitely seeing bits if he's not reading himself.
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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2022, 12:21:04 AM »

Just to contextualise my comments about Digie being a head it and kick it sort of CB

I know that you need your players to be able to play but there are times when trying to play is the last thing you want them to do.

I take your point, but the 'hoofball" tactic belongs to the 7th tier of the pyramid, and we're in the 5th. Too often the ball will come straight back at us.

I get your point

However, in my defence,  Man City and Liverpool , widely considered to be "great" footballing sides, both have defenders willing and able to launch the sphere into the next county when the need arises
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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2022, 12:23:45 AM »

Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman


It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

Don't agree with this I'm afraid.

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Kosylo
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Poole
Durrell
Ceesay

Some of our best additions don't fit your criteria.

Sure there was an influx from his Nantwich squad in 2017/18, but why wouldn't there have been? It worked out pretty well. We added a couple more over time but again, why wouldn't a manager bring in a player he knows, if he thinks he's up to the task? At the end of the day it's gotten us to where we are and for that reason we shouldn't have anything but praise for the approach.

That said, it does seem that we are at a bit of a recruitment crossroads now - but the addition of Marriott is a good indication of what we're probably looking to do long term.

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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2022, 12:18:00 PM »

Just watched the highlights.
 
I left with 20 mins to go on Tuesday but we were much better with a No.10 and bloody striker on the pitch.

The Pringle ball through to Hancock also shows his quality that we need in the side as No.10.

The Alty TV shows how much White was exposed and easily beaten on the night. Digie still looked dodgy on the footage so my eye's are still fine.

Need a positive selection on Saturday.
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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2022, 02:24:23 PM »

Just watched the highlights.
 
I left with 20 mins to go on Tuesday but we were much better with a No.10 and bloody striker on the pitch.

The Pringle ball through to Hancock also shows his quality that we need in the side as No.10.

The Alty TV shows how much White was exposed and easily beaten on the night. Digie still looked dodgy on the footage so my eye's are still fine.

Need a positive selection on Saturday.

Macauley Southam-Hales will do that to the best left backs in the league, let alone Andy White. I thought White played superbly at Barnet with Kosylo in front of him. You're not getting that same protection with Colclough.

I agree we have to try Pringle from the start but my word of warning would be that we've done this before and he's been a complete no show. I fear he won't be the saviour some seem to be expecting. Blows very hot and cold depending upon whether the game seems to suit him, hence his effectiveness from the bench when the opposition are tired and we are chasing the game.

Like I say though, completely agree that he needs to start on Saturday.

So that means he'll probably just not be in the squad!  :D
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« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2022, 03:18:47 PM »

Just watched the highlights.
 
I left with 20 mins to go on Tuesday but we were much better with a No.10 and bloody striker on the pitch.

The Pringle ball through to Hancock also shows his quality that we need in the side as No.10.

The Alty TV shows how much White was exposed and easily beaten on the night. Digie still looked dodgy on the footage so my eye's are still fine.

Need a positive selection on Saturday.

Macauley Southam-Hales will do that to the best left backs in the league, let alone Andy White. I thought White played superbly at Barnet with Kosylo in front of him. You're not getting that same protection with Colclough.

I agree we have to try Pringle from the start but my word of warning would be that we've done this before and he's been a complete no show. I fear he won't be the saviour some seem to be expecting. Blows very hot and cold depending upon whether the game seems to suit him, hence his effectiveness from the bench when the opposition are tired and we are chasing the game.

Like I say though, completely agree that he needs to start on Saturday.

So that means he'll probably just not be in the squad!  :D

Would start Pringle as a 10 and not CM.

I think PP fears him not getting stuck in as CM, which is maybe right.

Hancock isn't playing great and Pringle has the vision and quality to play that position.
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